Linux-Advocacy Digest #250, Volume #28 Sat, 5 Aug 00 18:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: I'm curious ("2 + 2")
Re: "pure" Linux?? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: maximum (?) linux ("MH")
Re: I'm curious ("MH")
Re: I'm curious ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel ("John Hughes")
Re: maximum (?) linux
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG (Arthur Frain)
Re: "pure" Linux?? (Doc Shipley)
Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: post-installation SCSI setup?? (B'ichela)
Re: Sun revenues up WHOPPING 42% !!! (Jerry McBride)
Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ???? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: I'm curious
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:19:35 -0400
Nick wrote in message <9yZi5.12318$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Obviously you're so busy you've not got time to peruse these newsgroups and
>note down everybody who is contributing to them just like I don't have time
>to reply to your message.
I'd second that, except I don't have time. :)
2 + 2
>
>Nick.
>
>"Rob Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Tell me something, because the curiosity is killing me... I, and all the
>> people I know (at least the ones that are really good at what they do)
>> are so in demand that none of us have time to follow many threads on a
>> regular basis, let alone for posting on a regular basis. For instance,
>> I'm taking a break from building some machines to start whistler beta
>> testing (I'm in the official program, so I don't want to hear about
>> piracy, and no, you can't have a copy) to post this. I'll probably
>> follow it for about a week or so, then I won't have time to hunt for it,
>> so unless it gets interesting, I won't even mark it for watching and
>> I'll lose the thread. Yet, there are a number of people within these
>> groups that claim to be highly in-demand, very knowledgable
>> professionals in the computer industry and who post here at all hours.
>> In fact, you can see a few of them posting for literally hours at a
>> time, if you bother looking at the times between their posts. I'm just
>> wondering how these people find the time. So, without naming names, are
>> you all screwing off all day in the news groups instead of working?
>> (On going to war over religion:)
>> "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better
imaginary
>friend."
>> - Rich Jeni
>>
>>
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: "pure" Linux??
Date: 5 Aug 2000 19:25:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: BTW, I don't think the distros make any "flavor" modifications to the
: kernel. They just ship the latest kernel that's stable at the time they put
: a release together. There *may* be some exceptions, but I don't know of
: any.
Linux-Mandrake by default uses a patched kernel, and AFAIK SuSE and
RedHat both include some proprietary kernel modules for hardware that
can't be supported by Linux itself due to NDAs.
Joe
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: maximum (?) linux
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:51:24 -0400
> > > They may think they are promoting Linux, but they are really just
> > > promoting Windows through bad Linux advocacy.
And COLA is GOOD Linux advocacy?
With friends like COLA, Linux will never need enemies.
Yes, let the slime magazine go under as they let people know the true degree
of difficulty and down sides to using Linux, while helping new users who
undertake the challenge.
Elitist, I would think is the word I'm looking for to describe the
prevailing attitude.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: I'm curious
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:58:59 -0400
> Yet, there are a number of people within these
> groups that claim to be highly in-demand, very knowledgable
> professionals in the computer industry and who post here at all hours.
> In fact, you can see a few of them posting for literally hours at a
> time, if you bother looking at the times between their posts. I'm just
> wondering how these people find the time. So, without naming names, are
> you all screwing off all day in the news groups instead of working?
Yes.,, and no.
It has been that way forever in COLA. Experts who either type 200wpm and
multitask with the efficacy of Stephen Hawking and happen to be sluffs ...or
BS'ers extrodinaire.
--I'm betting on #2
> (On going to war over religion:)
> "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary
friend."
Religion? COLA fits just as well!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: I'm curious
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:02:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rob Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll probably follow it for about a week or so, then I won't have time
> to hunt for it, so unless it gets interesting, I won't even mark it
> for watching and I'll lose the thread.
What? You're banned from office for a week?
> - Rich Jeni
>
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> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
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Before you buy.
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From: "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:15:53 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jen wrote:
> >
> > "Windows 2000 appears to still have severe performance limitations,
> > and reliability may actually be getting worse."
> >
> > You sir, are either blind or a flat-out liar.
>
> Prove it.
>
Check the tpc-c and tpc-w results.
www.tpc.org
As for reliability. Check out the many case studies of companies who have
moved to Windows 2000 or try it yourself.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: maximum (?) linux
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:34:46 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8mhr6c$ajs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Yes, let the slime magazine go under as they let people know the true
degree
> of difficulty and down sides to using Linux, while helping new users who
> undertake the challenge.
>
> Elitist, I would think is the word I'm looking for to describe the
> prevailing attitude.
>
>
Have you read a copy of the magazine in question? Have you noted the
technical errors in it? Have you also noted the neophytes that are the
"experts" who provide inaccurate tips and advice? Have you noted the
slanted journalism?
It is not a question of elitist thinking, it is a question of wanting
accurate tips ans advice, reliable information and evenhanded treatment of
the subjects at hand.
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From: Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:36:22 -0700
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:07:51 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >None of the critics have EVER pointed out any particular
> >assertion in the book which they disagree with.
http://www.srv.net/~msdata/bell.html is a pretty
good analysis by a very good statistician which
makes no claims about The Bell Curve either way,
but does use correct statistical analysis to
demonstrate the sloppy and erroneous analysis The
Bell Curve is based on.
> >They just
> >brand it as "racist" in an effort to make it a taboo item.
> >Apparently, the manipulation worked on you.
> Actually, most of the specifics of complaints raised regarding
> racism seem a tad weak.
The following article never refers to "racism":
http://slate.msn.com/Features/BellCurve/BellCurve.asp
(Be sure to read the "Case Studies"
which go into specifics)
"The Bell Curve, it turns out, is full of
mistakes ranging from sloppy reasoning to
mis-citations of sources to outright
mathematical errors. Unsurprisingly, all
the mistakes are in the direction of
supporting the authors' thesis."
Arthur
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From: Doc Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: "pure" Linux??
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:24:18 GMT
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
> BTW, I don't think the distros make any "flavor" modifications to the
> kernel. They just ship the latest kernel that's stable at the time they put
> a release together.
SuSE includes both Firewire and USB support, as well as language
preference options, in their "2.2.14.Suse" kernel, both binaries and
source. That's not generic 2.2.xx code. RedHat has been tweaking the
kernel at least since v6.0.
--
Doc Shipley
Network Stuff
Austin, Earth
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Subject: Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:41:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cihl) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> My SB16 didn't work, first time.
>
>Oh, it didn't, did it? (gr?)
>
>And how long ago was that? The SB16 was one of the first soundcards to
>be supported by Linux.
About a few weeks ago.
>> My ESS Allegro does not work now - no drivers.
>>
>> Your version of ALWAYS is in reality MAYBE.
>
>And so is your version of INTELLIGENCE. (another flame, great isn't
>it!)
Yes, it indicates how low you have to go to desperately try to prove your
point. If you feel it is necessary to insult, you've lost already.
>> If you mean Microsoft Office, the text moves around it. Your problem?
>
>Yeah, see what happens to the layout on the pages after it.
I do this sort of thing all the time. Works for me.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.
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Subject: Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:42:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cihl) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Linux Mandrake detected my SB16 but it failed to install or work.
>> Linux Mandrake detected my ESS Allegro but indicated there were no
>> drivers. The poster was saying ALL sound cards were supported - not
>> true!
>
>Yes they are. Look harder. Have you tried ALSA? Even the Yamaha
>soundcards are supported now.
Ah, I see. I will take a look at ALSA. Why isn't this included in Mandrake
I wonder?
>Petey GoodWindows is a troll! Na, na, nana, na. And i am not. I speak
>the Truth (like in Star Wars).
My name is Pete Goodwin. I am not a troll. Feel free to insult all you
like, it won't make the slightest bit of difference. It only go to show how
low and simple your mind is.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.
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Subject: Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:45:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cihl) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Pete, has anyone ever told you you're a complete dufus?
Oh frequently. And I've been called "Moron", "Shithead" etc. It only goes
to show how naff some people are.
>My post was supposed to be a caricature, or persiflage of a standard
>troll post.
You posted some untruths, so I corrected them.
>Look, it has all the elements: flaming, lying, yelling, and more.
Since I'm not a troll, I have never lied. I have yelled and flamed _after_
the original poster started spout nonsense about Windows.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: post-installation SCSI setup??
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:27:44 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:42:43 -0800, Alan Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>I have another question for you all: how do you set up a SCSI device
>*after* installation?
>
>Again, Thanx in advance!
What exactly do you mean by this? What type of devices are you
asking about, Hard Drives? Cd-roms/worms/rw? Scsi Tape?
Being a Scsi user I will explain the scsi thing based on the
catagories of devices
Hard Drives:
Hard Drives use device names of /dev/sdDP where D stands for
Device and P stands for partition. if you have 3 Scsi Hard drives.
REGUARDLESS of device number.. the lowest hard drive is /dev/sda, the
next is sdb and the last is sdc. Zip,jaz drives and Iomega Bernoulli boxes
are also considered hard drives by linux.
If your first hard drive only has one partition it is
/dev/sda1 for that partition.
Installation of the media is similar to IDE. First you use
fdisk or cfdisk (its a nicer looking fdisk btw). to define your
partions like you would IDE. Instead of saying fdisk /dev/hda you would type
fdisk /dev/sda instead.
You format your partions with mke2fs the same way you do with
IDE. which is mke2fs -c /dev/sda1 the '-c' means find bad blocks and
remove them from active use.
Cd devices (ROM, RW, R etc.
Cdroms can get a bit tricky as linux has several names for
them. I will approach the SCSI CD-ROM system as thats what I have.
Scsi cdroms have device names of /dev/srD where the D referes to the
Drive on the Scsi Buss. NOTE like the Hard Drives this does not
refer to the Scsi id. it means which drive in the orde from first
to last. if you have two cdroms using ids 4 and 5 and wanted to read
the first one you select /dev/sr0 for the second it is /dev/sr0
To mount these you need the iso9660 file system. a Scsi cdrom is
mounted like an IDE unit. to mount the first drive under /cdrom type
mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom -t iso9660 ro
Scsi Tapes
Heres where even I run into a brick wall! device names are
/dev/stD (the D stands for which Scsi tape unit). Scsi tapes can be
tricky as there is many styles of how to handle the advanced features
of a tape. I have a wangtek 5150ES therefore I will speak of my drive.
Scsi Tape units have two names. the /dev/st0 and /dev/nst0. Since I
only have one tape drive its 0, if I had two the would be st0 and st1.
the /dev/st0 device rewinds a tape automatically when you are
done writing/reading it. the /dev/nst0 device does no such thing and
requires one to use mt to rewind the volume after one is done using
it. Using mt allows one to add multiple volumes to a tape. The
treachery is this. How does one low level format a tape cartridge?
The best answer is. YOU DON'T! (I am unsure about the travans, dds,4mm
or 8mm units however). the mt program has very little documenation but
has tons of modes for densitys and options. the ftape ftmt program is
a better looking version of mt (you can use the ftmt for your basics
btw just as you can use mt for most of your floppy tape use also.
Getting your devices density and configs right can be tricky
but usually one can use it right out of the box for a backup
(advanced features are drive specific)
under scsi to initalize (erase) a tape one types
st -f /dev/st0 erase
to backup your /home directory(s) to tape type
I am going to use the older tar method as tar 1.13 skips some of this
stuff
cd / # go to the root
tar -cvf /dev/st0 home #backup home with verbose display of results
and the outputfile is /dev/st0 (rewinding tape drive)
to intall the files into say /new instead of /home do this
mkdir /new
cd /new
tar -xvPf /dev/st0 home
your tape files are now copied to /new
Scsi Flopicals
I know nothing of these
Scsi Ls120 drives
Ditto, possibly uses the /dev/sd devices
Scsi Floppy Drives
I don't have a scsi floppy drive to try out. possibly
/dev/sd devices
Scsi Scanners
I don't know anything about scanners as I never used one.
Scsi Printers
See Scsi Scanners.
If any of this answers any or all of your questions I would
like to know.
--
B'ichela
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry McBride)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun revenues up WHOPPING 42% !!!
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 17:27:48 -0400
In article <8md18k$jao$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: Back to the main subject, some news stories have considered it odd
>: that Sun has been so successful while bucking the trend to
>: Microsoftization of the last few years. However, the rise of Linux may be
>: a vindication of Sun's strategy; I suspect that Linux is much more
>: helpful to Sun than Windows is, because Linux is much more
>: Solaris-compatible than Windows is. Is that a reasonable assessment?
>
>I think why Sun is being friendly to Linux is that Linux helps build
>user's UNIX familiarity. Linux programmers can become Sun programmers
>with little training. Linux users can become Sun users with little
>training. Having a cheap, widespread UNIX available to people at
>home lets big UNIX companies like Sun enjoy some of the benefits of
>OS familiarity that Microsoft currently enjoys. Often people pick
>Microsoft solutions simply because of previous familiarity.
... or pure stupidity...
>Sun wants to take a little slice of that mindshare for themselves, I think.
>
I'd rather spend my money in Sun stores, anyday. To prove the point I've been
running Solaris 7.0 for server rather than NT for... months now. Thank god for
choice.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ????
Date: 5 Aug 2000 17:05:03 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Ginn) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>While I don't necessarily agree with 'orders of magnitude' statement,
>>Linux certainly runs on more architectures than Windows does. You
>>can't run Windows (insert version) on Alpha, PPC, Sparc, MIPS, or make
>>use of any of the components on those platforms using Windows.
>>Linux can, and that's certainly more impressive, and more important,
>>than whether or not Linux can use every single soundcard on the x86
>>platform.
>>
>>You certainly seem to have a PC bias, Pete. There are other
>>alternatives you know.
>
>Other _expensive_ alternatives. How much does it cost to buy an Alpha? Or a
>Sparc or MIPS? PPC might be cheap enough.
They just don't make much cheap consumer-grade junk with the other
CPU's. If you price server-grade pentium systems, they are expensive
too. Alpha's:
http://www.compaq.com/AlphaServer/announce/alpha_price_reduced.html
are probably cheaper for equivalent floating point or 64-bit integer
performance.
>I wasn't referring to architectures, I was referring to peripherals.
Why? Working peripherals are available for all systems. If you
are interested in having a working system on any architecture
you have to use peripherals supported by drivers. They aren't
hard to find.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: 5 Aug 2000 22:09:44 GMT
On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:36:22 -0700, Arthur Frain wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:07:51 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
>> >None of the critics have EVER pointed out any particular
>> >assertion in the book which they disagree with.
>
>http://www.srv.net/~msdata/bell.html is a pretty
>good analysis by a very good statistician which
>makes no claims about The Bell Curve either way,
>but does use correct statistical analysis to
>demonstrate the sloppy and erroneous analysis The
>Bell Curve is based on.
Thanks for the info. This comes as no surprise to me -- usually, these
kinds of heavily loaded "meta-studies" are little more than a thinly
vieled attempt to support a manifesto by selectively choosing studies
that appear to support their claims, and either disregarding or
misinterpreting those that do not.
>> Actually, most of the specifics of complaints raised regarding
>> racism seem a tad weak.
>
>The following article never refers to "racism":
>http://slate.msn.com/Features/BellCurve/BellCurve.asp
I'll take a look at it.
Cheers,
--
Donovan
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