Linux-Advocacy Digest #446, Volume #29 Wed, 4 Oct 00 12:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Bryant Brandon)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Dedicated Linux Employment Site (Dan)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Donal K.
Fellows)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Stuart Fox")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Donal K.
Fellows)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
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From: Bryant Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:39:21 -0500
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@>@>@>@>@Do you have any proof that it can do that?
@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@> Machine #21, AUDB room #307c, UNT campus, Texas. IOW, the very
@>@>@>@>machine we've been discussing this entire thread.
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@The *ONLY* thing we know about the machines in question is that
@>@>@>@you're
@>@>@>@getting a disk error @ login. Aside from that, *EVERYTHING* else
@>@>@>@mentioned in this thread is pure conjecture.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> You asked for "any" proof. Is this not "any" enough for you?
@>@>@
@>@>@No, because it isn't proof. You have no proof that the -profile- (and
@>@>@limiting it via quotas) is the issue here in any way, shape, or form.
@>@>
@>@> So, now you want quotas too?
@>@
@>@I want you to fix this problem by finding someone to help you, rather
@>@than simply giving up.
@>@
@>@>Before I run around trying to prove
@>@>things for you, would you mind telling me what all I need to prove
@>@>before I begin? You have a nasty habit of applying "bully rules" to
@>@>your conversations. ie, changing the rules midway when you start
@>@>losing.
@>@
@>@You have a nasty habit (you've done it here in this PC discussion of
@>@your lab's issues) of blaming a lot of things without having a shred
@>@of proof. I'm merely pointing out to you that you don't have that
@>@proof, so you really don't have any idea what's wrong or whether
@>@quotas/profiles are at fault (or would help).
@>
@> You don't want me to prove it. OK.
@
@I don't? I didn't say that. Learn to read. I said you can't because
@you don't have proof. You aren't capable of doing so. You may want
@to do it, but it probably isn't going to happen.
I told you to be specific in what you wanted me to prove, and you
refused. So, no matter what I prove, you'll later saddle it with more
qualifiers/exceptions, and make me prove it all over again. But as soon
as you're willing to tell me what to prove, I'll be happy to prove it.
@>@>@>@I haven't given contradictory information. I've given information
@>@>@>@that could apply in a variety of different scenarios, and you got
@>@>@>@confused.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> Yes, you gave a variety of scenarios. However, when you presented
@>@>@>them, you gave _no_ indication that they were different.
@>@>@
@>@>@Your lack of technical understanding clouds the issues.
@>@>
@>@> By "technical knowledge," do you mean "familiarity with windows," or
@>@>do you mean "ability to read my mind"? Perhaps there is another
@>@>definition I did not consider. Please, elaborate.
@>@
@>@Familiarity with Windows, NT/2k in this instance.
@>
@> So, it's not really a lack of technical knowledge, as you stated, but
@>a lack of familiarity with windows. Calling me nontechnical implies
@>that I am incapable of understanding, whereas I merely lack knowledge.
@>That was rather dishonest of you. Now, we've established that I don't
@>really lack technical understanding, merely a lack of information, how,
@>exactly, would that explain how I got confused, without assuming that
@>you're a poor writer?
@
@Spin...spin. Joe Ragosta would be so proud! (But he's off slinking,
@after we handed his guts to him on a platter for his incredibly
@numerous debacles and screwups.)
It's not my fault you cannot write intelligently.
@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@Do you have any administrative experience at all?
@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@> Yes.
@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@At what, exactly?
@>@>@>@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@>@>@>@> My stuff. Net BSD on my IIci talking to my Quadra. Two
@>@>@>@>@>@>@> machines.
@>@>@>@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@>@>@>@>Two users: root, and me.
@>@>@>@>@>@>@> Therefore, I have administrative experience.
@>@>@>@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@>@>@>@Not even close. You've set up a single BSD machine, something
@>@>@>@>@>@>@that
@>@>@>@>@>@>@typically takes about 30 minutes to a few hours and requires
@>@>@>@>@>@>@no
@>@>@>@>@>@>@or
@>@>@>@>@>@>@a
@>@>@>@>@>@>@very light technical skillset; administrative experience would
@>@>@>@>@>@>@be
@>@>@>@>@>@>@doing that for a job (say, during summertime) 40 hours a week,
@>@>@>@>@>@>@setting
@>@>@>@>@>@>@up 20 or 30 users a day and doing permissions, NFS, CIFS, YP,
@>@>@>@>@>@>@and
@>@>@>@>@>@>@other 'stuff' day in and day out.
@>@>@>@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@>@>@>@By that logic, one can be an administrator because he's set up
@>@>@>@>@>@>@OS
@>@>@>@>@>@>@X
@>@>@>@>@>@>@beta. That's silly.
@>@>@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@>@>@> You asked: "Do you have any administrative experience at
@>@>@>@>@>@> all?"
@>@>@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@>@>@> I
@>@>@>@>@>@>said, "Yes." Did I lie? Nope, you just asked a bad question.
@>@>@>@>@>@>How
@>@>@>@>@>@>am
@>@>@>@>@>@>I
@>@>@>@>@>@>supposed to know you meant, "Do you have any administrative
@>@>@>@>@>@>experience
@>@>@>@>@>@>that I would consider impressive?"
@>@>@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@>@>@Don't be silly. By that logic anyone running Windows 95 is an
@>@>@>@>@>@account
@>@>@>@>@>@operator / administrator (because hey, you can have a
@>@>@>@>@>@"multi-user"
@>@>@>@>@>@(heh) Win95, too!)
@>@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@>@> Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer....
@>@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@>@You were being stupid. The question was perfectly valid.
@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@> The question: "Do you have any administrative experience at
@>@>@>@> all?"
@>@>@>@> The answer: "Yes."
@>@>@>@> You didn't qualify it, but you meant to. Hence, it's a stupid
@>@>@>@>question.
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@You were being stupid, juvenile, and a smartass. "Administrative
@>@>@>@experience" means administering systems, not setting up a single OS
@>@>@>@on
@>@>@>@an old machine with "Root and me" as two users.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> I stated quite clearly that it was talking to my quadra, ie.
@>@>@> network.
@>@>@>You should be more careful when you toss around "any." If anyone's
@>@>@>being stupid, it's the one who asked a very open-ended question, and
@>@>@>then got miffed with an answer. It's like asking for a car, and then
@>@>@>bitching that you got a pinto instead of a porche. Besides, if
@>@>@>you're
@>@>@>going to play it that way, no matter what kind of experience I detail
@>@>@>to
@>@>@>you, you can just ask for more/refine you definition retroactively.
@>@>@>It's a trick alt.f/lamers like to pull. I actually have perfectly
@>@>@>good
@>@>@>experience above and beyond what I stated, but I know it won't
@>@>@>"measure
@>@>@>up" to your ever-changing definition of real experience. So, rather
@>@>@>than pring that up, and defend it, I'll stick with my two
@>@>@>machines/users
@>@>@>tale, and let you sit on it.
@>@>@
@>@>@Sorry; installing a single machine isn't administrative experience, no
@>@>@matter how you try to spin it.
@>@>
@>@> Reread the above. Try not to be (so) stupid.
@>@
@>@Spin...spin...spin.....
@>
@> To think I wasted so much rational reasoning on you when I could have
@>just called you a dumbass in the first place. Such a shame.
@
@Spin...spin.... by your logic, driving a car gives you serious racing
@experience.
Depends on how you drive it. By your logic, when you ask "Do you
have any driving experience at all?" you really mean "Do you have any
Indy 500 racing experience?" And, when someone who is just a regular
driver says yes, he is being stupid, juvenile, and a smartass. Why do
we have to read your mind?
@>@>@Can't you help yourself? "Pathetic" is the term that comes to mind
@>@>@when presented with a person that just gives up, and then vents in
@>@>@here all of his frustrations.
@>@>
@>@> I have not. I'm going through the proper channels. The fact that
@>@>you are too dumb to realize this even after multiple explanations is
@>@>not
@>@>my problem. Tell me, are you unable to read, or do you simply refuse?
@>@
@>@You're a whiner.
@>
@> And you're a moron. Cope.
@
@How am I a moron? *YOU* are the one with the problem. *YOU* are the
@one that can't get it fixed. *YOU* are the one wasting time in here
@complaining. Sounds like you're the moron to me.
You repeat false statements again and again, you cannot write a
coherent sentence to save your life, you like tossing about labels, and
you lay blame indiscriminately. Then, once you have finished all that,
you blame it on me. Truely astounding.
@>@>@I'm tired of telling you what's wrong;
@>@>@go find someone who works in the labs and tell him to help you. If
@>@>@you can't, tough cookies; that's not Microsoft's fault - it's yours,
@>@>@for giving up rather than getting help. If you want to attack me for
@>@>@suggesting you see the dean, more power to you, but you aren't any
@>@>@closer to solving the problem. Get off your ass and fix the problem.
@>@>
@>@> Your suggesting that I see the dean is one of your dumber comments
@>@> in
@>@>this forum.
@>@
@>@Fine; see someone else who can help you. Obviously you've been
@>@powerless up to this point; you really ought to figure out how to do
@>@-something-.
@>
@> Are you familiar with the practice of "stonewalling"? Basically, an
@>individual or group decides not to let someone do something, and it
@>(stonewalling) happens. UNT (or this portion of it) has decided not to
@>fix the problem or listen to me. Now, UNT is an institution with
@>milions of dollars and thousands of employees. I'm a student living
@>from paycheck to paycheck. Just what the fuck should I do? I've
@>explained why the dean is not an option.
@
@Fine - see someone else who can help you, rather than simply giving
@up.
I'm sorry, did I call you a moron? Oh, wait, you earned it.
@>@>@>@B) Everything we've said here is a guess based on the slim
@>@>@>@information you've been able to provide?
@>@>@>
@>@>@> If my information is so slim, why do you feel justified in using
@>@>@> it
@>@>@>to accuse damn near everything of being incompetent just to defend
@>@>@>Windows, a stupid piece of software? Doesn't make much sense to me.
@>@>@
@>@>@If their lab doesn't work, the people responsible for it have
@>@>@problems. But then, every step of the way YOU have been the one to
@>@>@attack your administrators, so I'll let you defend that.
@>@>
@>@> No, I have merely agreed with you. I do not attack the lab people
@>@> in
@>@>person because I know they are not responsible for the problem, and are
@>@>about as powerless as I am. Also, attacking them would only serve to
@>@>slow things down.
@>@
@>@They aren't responsible for the problems, and are as powerless as you?
@>@Pathetic. They're not as powerless as you. They can FIX the problem.
@>@You can't. Hence, they're considerably more useful than you in
@>@solving the problem.
@>
@> Dumbass, they can't fix the problem. They can look up MY password,
@>they can fetch documents, and print. They don't have administrative
@>access. Therefore, they are as powerless as I am, unless I want to
@>fetch a printout.
@
@Suggestion, 'dumbass' - go higher up the food chain and assume some
@responsibility for your own progress, rather than limp-wristing it to
@someone else.
I've been higher on the foodchain. At the lower levels they just
kick me upstairs, and at the higher levels they don't give a fuck. I've
made my rounds.
@>@> YOU have attacked them, reread the thread if you disagree.
@>@
@>@Please, Bryant. Those of us actually following the thread know the
@>@truth:
@>@
@>@On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:53:44 -0500, Bryant Brandon
@>@<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@>@>@>@Call your desktop support staff.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> ...a bunch of monkies.
@>@__________
@>@
@>@I suggested you call them on the phone. You called them a bunch of
@>@'monkies' (sic). You are attacking them, not me.
@>
@> Oh goody! The quote game!
@>
@>--------
@>Message-ID:
@><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:10:53 -0500
@>
@>@No, you're more than qualified to call your desktop support staff
@>@'shit'.
@>---------
@
@And you agreed with me in your very next post. Obviously, you've got
@some issues with your DT support team.
Like I said, I merely agreed with you.
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:57:07 -0500
@ No, I have merely agreed with you. I do not attack the lab people in
@person because I know they are not responsible for the problem, and are
@about as powerless as I am. Also, attacking them would only serve to
@slow things down.
@ YOU have attacked them, reread the thread if you disagree.
--
B.B. --I am not a goat! http://people.unt.edu/~bdb0015
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:47:52 GMT
Eric Bennett writes:
>>> What "argments"?
>> The ones he was referring to, Eric.
> He didn't refer to any "argments", Dave.
Sure he did, Eric.
>>> Copying and pasting your typos, Dave? Doesn't your advanced OS/2
>>> computer with voice input know how to spellcheck, Dave?
>> Of course, Eric.
> Glad to see you admit to copying and pasting your typos.
Non sequitur. My response followed your question about my
computer's spellchecking capabilities, Eric.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:01:36 -0300
El mié, 04 oct 2000, Erik Funkenbusch escribió:
>"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:44:53 -0500,
>> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >"Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > You just can't beat Windows 2000 -- it is simply the best all around
>> >general
>> >> > purpose OS out there today.
>> >>
>> >> and the most expensive
>> >
>> >Haven't priced Solaris lately, have you?
>>
>> Bought the CD's from Sun for $10 plus shipping.
>
>Solaris < 8 is still quite expensive.
>
>Description: Solaris 7 x86 Desktop, CD, Hard Copy Documentation and
>Single-user RTU
>Part Number: SOLMI-07D-D999
>List Price: 450.00 USD
If that's the same hardcopy doc we got for Solaris 7 sparc, it amounts to 6
meters of shelve full of books. About 120 kilograms of paper.
>Oh, and if you want it in Japanese, it's $750.
It may be even larger in Japanese?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: 4 Oct 2000 14:59:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris Sherlock wrote:
>> I truly don't know anything about "lattice structures". What are you
>> talking about when you mention them?
>
> A lattice is a partially ordered set (poset). A tree is also a poset
> but with additional constraints. In particular,
[...]
> is a lattice but not a tree. It's called partially ordered because
> the ordering operation "is lower than" is not defined for every pair
> of elements, but does follow the rules of any ordering like
> transitivity (if (a < b and b < c) then (a < c)).
So a lattice is (approximately) the transitive closure of a DAG
(Directed Acyclic Graph)? I always have trouble remembering the names
for all these mathematical structures (there's so many of them!) but
I've usually got a reasonable feel for how they manipulate in
practise.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I could even declare myself a religion, if that'd help.
-- Mark Loy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:08:05 -0500
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rd6gr$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > I'm sorry dude, but sometimes you hear something so silly you can't stop
> > from laughing...
>
> > I'm sure he'll post the tux results ... it's all they've got...
>
> Dont you have something better to do?
Yup - it's what I do the rest of the time... right now I'm laughing at the
sun rep who tried to sell some 10000s to one of my clients...
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:09:44 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:02:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >I would really like to know why anyone would prefer Linux as a
> >desktop? Reasons such as "Win2k is made by the Evil Empire are not
> >really valid".
>
> Explorer is somewhat akin to the original version of DOS that
> came without subdirectory support. It is haphazard and poorly
> organized tending to allow the user to drown themselves in
> clutter. Also, the lack of real user home directories in WinDOS
> further complicate this by making the shell's desktop the closest
> approximation to such a repository.
Looks like you are confused. The subject at hand is Win2K (which does have
real user home directories), not WinDOS (which doesn't)
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:11:05 -0500
"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
>
> > Actually you are wrong on both counts. YOu would be much better served
> > (performance and price wise) running two 100 mb/s NICs than a single Gb
NIC.
> > I would run 4 NICs, 2 teamed pairs load balanced. But you'd have to
> > understand high end networking ....
>
> Well we've got multiple NetApp filers with close to (and a few over) 1TB
on
> them. These filers are RAID'd, do NFS and CIFS, and are hammered with
high
> usage 24/7. They perform much better on Gb then even quad trunked (or
> individual) 100Mb. If you're not seeing good performance from Gb
adapters,
> then you either have sub-par NICs or your OS isn't using them efficiently.
Come on Mike, you know one answer doesn't fit every question. Obviously
there are situations where Gig adapters will excel but not in the scenario I
was discussing/discribing (unless I misunderstood the situation). I'm using
gig over copper quite happily at two installations - we find multiple NICs
perform better when there are more users doing large amounts of relatively
small requests. When the transfers are long/streams the bigger individual
pipes are the way to go. Depends on usage, I know you know that.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:14:03 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:y0bx5.3134$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:ODNw5.5040$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > The Mindcraft tests showed a real problem, but one that would only
> > very
> > > > > rarely be an issue in a production system. The test was carefully
> > > > > designed to highlight a particular strength of NT relative to
Linux.
> > > > > It was not "rigged", in the sense that the results weren't faked,
but
> > > > > the thing that was tested was not chosen at random. The whole
thing
> > > > > was a marketing exercise, nothing more.
> > > >
> > > > Um... so you think that multiple-NICs are never used in a production
> > > > system? Multiple-NIC load-balancing, etc?
> > >
> > > It is rare for that to be a better approach than using gigabit cards.
> > > Actually
> > > it is pretty rare for a server doing any actual work to be able to
> > overload
> > > a 100M card.
> > >
> > Actually you are wrong on both counts. YOu would be much better served
> > (performance and price wise) running two 100 mb/s NICs than a single Gb
NIC.
>
> 2 x 100Mb/sec < 1 Gb/sec
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
Actually, depending on what you are doing there will be many cases where 2 x
100 Mb/sec NICs > 1 x 1 Gb/sec NIC when serving more than one target. Sure,
if you just want to move a huge chunk of data from point a to b, a single
stream, the biggest single pipe will win. I expect that is not the case here
and that's why my suggestion towards multiple 100 mb/s NICs. ALSO, fault
tolerance - I'd rather have 2 NICs than 1 when one of them crashes eh?
Read... understand... think...
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:14:07 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > what? WHAT? hahahahhahhhahahahahhhahahahaahhahhahhaahhhahahaahhaha
> > <breath>
> > hahahahhhahhahahahahahahaaahahahahahaaahahahhahahhaha
> >
>
> No you know whe he's called Dresting LACK of facts...
"No"? Perhaps you'd like to learn to spell/type before making shit up eh?
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:14:06 +0100
"Grega Bremec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> 3.you have a lot (if you are a"experienced home user") more flexibility
> >> with linux than win2k more powerfull tools and features to work with
> >
> >I disagree. Could you name the tools and features?
>
> One word. Regexp.
Many words: Implemented in VBScript, available for use on any Win2K (or
indeed many NT4 or Win9x systems) system in WSH. If you're going to make
claims, at least try to understand the things you're making claims about
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:15:05 -0500
Ignorance is bliss?
Surround yourself with only what you want to hear and ignore anything
contrary to your own opinions...
ahhh... golden silence...
silly.
"Rob Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:39da094d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Just do what I did... killfile the lot of them. These groups are much more
> enjoyable now that I no longer have to wade through the ramblings of
morons,
> zealots and the generally clueless on either side.
>
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Today, we live in a world where Windows occupied around 1.2 billion
> > computers world wide.
> > Linux occupies only 200 million or so computers world wide.
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: 4 Oct 2000 15:07:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Hauck <bobh{at}haucks{dot}org> wrote:
> On 29 Sep 2000 09:29:52 -0300, Roberto Selbach Teixeira
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Java is a very powerful language. What do you feel it lacks?
>
> Native compilers and libraries, and real standardization. I really
> like Java, but I'm not too thrilled with byte-code or Sun.
Someone's working on a Java->native-code compiler based on GCC, with
the idea that stuff can be made to go really fast (though you'll still
need to keep a interpreter/JIT around for some dynamically loaded
classes; the costs with going to 100% native[*] aren't really worth
it if you can get the core classes and main app classes native.) Who
knows, maybe this will even make Swing seem just slow...
Donal.
[* No loading of code from unknown code sources; this makes a lot of
network-related stuff much easier. ]
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I could even declare myself a religion, if that'd help.
-- Mark Loy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:28:10 -0500
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rd6d5$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
<snip>
> > Oh puhlease - I have been using them religiously since 3.64, you haven't
a
> > clue. I contribute news to one of the most popular nvidia fan sites too.
You
> > haven't a clue. They are solid.
>
> Brandon says hes never heard of you, by the way. And NVIDIAs bug tracking
> system itself seems to disagree with you.
If you asked him if he's heard of Drestin Black I understand why. And while
NVIDIA has a bug trackign system that indeed has bugs in it (amazing!) I
state (and am supported by the masses on this one) that there are far fewer
(and certainly far less "fatal") bugs in NVIDIA drivers than others. And
that's what I'm talking about. They are stable and solid. How do I know?
because I use them daily. And because they are used by more people
successfully every day than ANY other driver/chipset on the planet. You
really have no idea what you are talking about do you? The last time I
crashed with a NVIDIA driver problem was around the 3.7x releases of the W2K
drivers and once during a beta with some 5.1x drivers. Other than that -
perfect. Period. Go to ANY of the hardware sites on the net, ANY ONE (except
perhaps 3dfx fan sites that is :) and you'll find the truth. This is silly -
this is like you saying: "No one uses Napster, it's not popular." and
sticking to your story despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
<snip> yea... right...
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:28:12 -0500
"MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rda5r$9p9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >happily give details to anyone who wants them with the exception
> > of dresden and any of his previously identified flunkies.
>
> Another commode swimmer.
>
>
potty mouth :p
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