Linux-Advocacy Digest #924, Volume #29 Sun, 29 Oct 00 19:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Hullo, Claire, James? Here's another dork for you ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("javaduke")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (gm)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:09:50 -0500
Static66 wrote:
>
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:25:42 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Rick wrote:
> >>
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > WickedDyno wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Loren Petrich wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> >> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > You leftists are ALWAYS using "laudable goals" to excuse DESTRUCTIVE
> >> > > > > > RESULTS.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > While you right-wingers are proud of being Evil People?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'm a Libertarian.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Right-wingers are socialist assholes, just like you left-wingers.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Libertarianism is ANTITHETICAL to socialism in any form, fatass
> >> > > > shit-for-brains.
> >> > >
> >> > > IME, it's also antithetical to reality in any form.
> >> > >
> >> > > I know libertarians who claim that the U.S. Govt. should sell all
> >> > > National parks to private companies because whoever bought them would be
> >> > > in possession of such a beautiful place, they would never harm it.
> >> >
> >> > Why are all of the out-of-control forest fires on FEDERAL lands?
> >> >
> >>
> >> ... becasue the Federal lands are larger?
> >
> >Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong... try again.
> >
> >Because the LUMBER COMPANIES manage *THEIR* forests much better.
> >
> >1. They do "controlled burns" periodically to clear out underbrush
> > (which is responsible for the fires that get REALLY out of
> > control).
> >
> >2. They cut "fire breaks" in their forests, so that when a fire
> > breaks out, it can only go so far before running out of
> > trees to burn. This limits the extent of the fire.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > Laset time I checked, the Fed Gov's forest management practices have
> >> > been absolutely atrocious compared to those of timber companies.
> >> >
> >>
> >> ... and of course, you are an expert in land management.
> >
> >I never claimed to be. I'm just looking at who protects their forests,
> >AND surrounding property, and who's fucking up, and allowing neighboring
> >homes to go up in flames...because they can't contain their fires.
> >
>
> Lets not forget that the federal government STARTED the fire this
> summer.
If only it were only one. The US Forest service had a few dozen
out-of-control fires this summer....all because they REFUSE to let
the timber companies come in and cut fire-breaks.
>
> Another thing. we have more trees now than when the settlers arrived
> on this continent. Much of the plains (which were a sea of drifting
> grass) are gone and many a forest planted in their place.
quite true.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > They also claim that people will be safer if we disband the police and
> >> > > have everyone carry concealed handguns.
> >> >
> >> > You are confusing libertarianism with Anarchy.
> >> >
> >> > Don't be such a shit-head.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > And that Big Business really wants to protect the environment, workers'
> >> > > rights, consumer rights, etc. -- government regulations are just
> >> > > confusing the issue.
> >> >
> >> > In case you haven't noticed, every time some politician starts jabbering
> >> > about how government should pass a law to make sure that workers have
> >> > this benefit or that benefit....you will notice that "Big Business"
> >> > is ALREADY giving those benefits to it's employees.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Where have you gotten this idea? 40 hr workweeks didnt come from big
> >> business. Neither did overtime. Benefits are often forced on big
> >> business.
> >>
> >> > You see, fool, such laws are actually to AID Big Business....so
> >> > burden their smaller competitors with employee-benefit costs which
> >> > the smaller businesses are not as able to handle.
> >> >
> >> > Public schools -- originated as a benefit for employees of 'big business'
> >>
> >> Once again, you show your ignorance of the school system. Public schools
> >> were created at teh beginnign of the Repulic, by statesman like
> >> Jefferson. The idea took hold and moved with the people. Ever hear of
> >> the little one-room school house?
> >
> >Wrong. They predate Jefferson. The original public schools were set
> >up in England, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution...
> >and they were set up BY THE FACTORY OWNERS!
> >
> >>
> >> > Health Insurance -- " " " " " " " " "
> >>
> >> Whats your source?
> >
> >History
> >
> >>
> >> > Maternity Leave -- " " " " " " " " "
> >>
> >> Whats your source?
> >
> >History
> >
> >>
> >> > etc., etc.
> >> >
> >> > Every time you hear about some new employee benefit being contemplated
> >> > by politicians, you will discover that such benefits are already being
> >> > offered to employees of most Fortune 500 companies already.
> >> >
> >> > Now..what *I*, as an employee, really fucking resent is the government
> >> > MANDATING that I must be given benefits that I have no interest in.
> >> >
> >>
> >> YOU are not the only person on the planet, or in your company... unless
> >> you are the owner of a 1 person company.
> >
> >Precisely. So why the fuck should *I* be forced to take a loss in pay
> >to get an employment benefit that I don't want...just because *YOU* think
> >everybody should have it.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hmmmm, and you might also be the only person in your own little world
> >> too.
> >
> >
> >Actually, YOU are the one insisting that all employees have the same
> >needs as yourself. *I* am advocating that each employee should be free
> >to negotiate their own combination of pay + benefits.
> >
> >>
> >> > Think about it....benefits only come at a cost....that cost being
> >> > a REDUCTION IN MY PAYCHECK. Fuck the government and their goddamned
> >> > stupid benefit mandatess...LET MY EMPLOYER GIVE ME $$$$$$$$$$$$, and
> >> > then let me do with it as I please
> >> > (i.e. no fucking not-really-"free lunches" from the government, to the
> >> > tune of 40% of my pay, either).
> >> >
> >>
> >> There are ways to do just that. You dont HAE to participate in Social
> >> Security. You can probably talk to your employer about getting paid for
> >> sick/vacation days... etc.
> >
> >Oh, really.
> >
> >Please document for us how you get out of the Social Security system.
> >If I knew of such a way, I would renounce my SS number immediately.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Space hogging, badwidth wasting signature snipped.
> >
> >Keeps the trolls away.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rick
> >> * To email me remove NOSPAM from my address *
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hullo, Claire, James? Here's another dork for you
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:25:35 GMT
I run SmartSuite as well, and it is a far better Office Suite in my
opinion.
I hate MS because of several reasons:
1. Dirty tricks back in the 1980's and 1990's, especially against
Digital Research and IBM's OS/2.
2.Overpaying for bug fixes. Yea I know you can download them for free,
but there is always "something" missing from the free version, that
might actually be useful. Upgrading from Windows 98 to Se should be
$10 at the most. Same for ME.
3. The ever changing standards, like Direct-X, Active-X or whatever it
is called today. Now we have the wdm standard (or whatever it is) for
multimedia drivers. I realize improvements must be made and we must
move forward but this is getting ridiculous. The current media player
is an example. It's clear they are trying to put the Winamps and
MusicMatch Jukeboxes out of business, and doing a piss poor job of it
as well. The latest Media player is a disaster.
4. The arrogance of Gates and Ballmer.
I don't use any MS apps except for Windows and Flight Simulator
because of the reasons above.
claire
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:40:59 GMT, "javaduke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I some times hear, like you, advocates hate (which is a pretty strong word)
>Microsoft because it is Microsoft. I, on the other hand dislike Microsoft
>because of the lack of innovation. VPN is an example of a technology that
>closely resembles OpenSSH. What I would like to see are products that are
>not only easy use but when I need to upgrade I donot need to upgrade my
>computer just to run the new version of the software at a decent level of
>responsiveness. I do accept that I need to upgrade once and a while, but
>when a program boloons from 300MB to 700MB, then you really have to ask who
>is the master mind behind it? Is it some sort of conspiracy between
>Microsoft and hard disk manufcatures to that Maxtor and Seagate can sell
>more drives? :)
>
>I have run Lotus Smart Suite and have always found it superior to Microsoft
>Office in that it is compact (around 200MB) and uses small amount of memory
>when running it. It would be nice is Lotus did port Smart Suite to Linux as
>I would be one of the first to jump on the buying bandwagon, however, it is
>very unlikely that they would port it. I'll just have to wait until
>OpenOffice 6 comes out of the thinktank.
>
>javaduke
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Actually you've got me wrong on that count. I find it hysterical that
>> MS gets hacked. Sorry, I don't sing the MS line, never have. I use the
>> OS because it works for me. I play Flight Simulator because I like it.
>> Those are the only MS programs on my machines.
>> I also agree with MS pulling dirty tricks especially with Digital
>> Research and Stac, and I lived through the campaign to destroy OS/2.
>>
>> claire
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 00:47:11 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Windows is SOOOOO GOOOOD Claire_Lynn that
>> >they stole the whole W2K code base.
>> >
>> >It's good to the last byte.
>> >
>> >And it makes a wonderful communist operating system.
>> >
>> >
>> >Charlie
>> >
>> >
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >> I know that. No OS is immune and there will always be somebody who can
>> >> come up with a better mouse, despite state of the art mousetraps.
>> >>
>> >> claire
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:43:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:51:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>You post an entire YEARS worth of security problems with Windows.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I post ONE WEEKS worth with Linux, and my list is still longer than
>> >> >>yours.
>> >> >
>> >> >If you were to subscribe to BugTraq for a period of time, you would
>> >> >quickly discover that Windows does not have significantly fewer
>> >> >security problems than Linux. To think otherwise is to stick one's
>> >> >head in the sand.
>>
>
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From: "javaduke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:28:53 GMT
Point of open source software is that it allows greater transperency between
the end user and the programmer. The expectations of Linux programmers when
it comes to writting the Linux Kernel 2.4 is much higher than what Microsoft
has. Also Linux 2.4 is also a major overhall in the respects that the
device layer has been redesigned, new scalability has been added so that it
can reach the same heights as commerical UNIX's.
Chad, before you make pre-emptive multi-bullshitting, analyse the Linux
Kernel 2.4 and compare it to Windows 2000. Windows 2000 was meant to be the
biggest thing since slice bread, the replacement for Windows 9x and NT,
however, due to development delays Microsoft scaled back its ambicious
program. Unlike Microsoft, Linux 2.4 has stayed on course to meet the
expects originally set out in the original kernel 2.4 manefesto.
javaduke
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:iK6K5.15653$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Compaq has made a significant stink of the delayed 2.4 kernel
> > release.
> >
> > It's funny but I can't remember a single Windows version which wasn't
> > delayed by months from the target release.
>
> But I thought OSS software was supposed to be superior in all regards.
> Shouldn't a reasonable expectation be that it ships on time?
>
> Also, considering that most of the functionality in the 2.4 kernel is
catch-up
> to NT and other OSes that have had most of it as a basic part of the OS
> for years now, it's kind of embarassing that they're spending all this
> time just to get up to today's level of expectations. Compaq's anger
> is justified.
>
> > Bill Gates said Windows 95 would be released almost a year
> > before it actually was. Nobody said a damn thing about it.
>
> Oh, there was plenty said. So was there about Win2K, but people
> just like you, if not you yourself.
>
> > I think it shows that people CARE about Linux and WANT
> > to see the release.
>
> More like... Compaq is giving Linux one chance, if they can't get
> their shit together (which they haven't, and won't) Compaq will
> give up on them.
>
> <SNIP: more useless drivel I don't have time to debunk>
>
> -Chad
>
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:16:54 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > >
> > > No one could stop an OEM from selling a retail copy of Windows Me. But
> it
> > > would be a lot more expensive.
> >
> > Look, when the OS license cost more than the profit margin of a PC,
> > then DOUBLING the OS licence cost effectively forces the OEM to raise
> > prices.
>
> Yes. Discounts do allow companies to sell their products for less.
> Sometimes.
>
> Sometimes they just pocket the difference as profit.
>
Regardless--PUNISHING a company for offering a competitor's product
is OBSTRUCTION OF TRADE and it is illegal.
Ask the Big 3 automakers in Detroit what happens if they try playing
such games with a dealership that dares to sell from multiple manufacturers.
> >
> > FACE THE FUCKING FACTS: MS IS COMPLETELY FUCKING UNWILLING TO HAVE
> > STRAIGHT, SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPETITION IN THE MARKET PLACE.
>
> Anyone who wants to can pay retail. No one has to take those deep, deep
> discounts.
That is not for the OEM to decide, as they are not the end-purchasers.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > OEM's wanted to sell their computers as cheap as they could and Microsft
> > > made them a deal that was hard to refuse ... but they could have at any
> time
> >
> >
> > Wrong, wrong, wrong, asshole.
> >
> > When *EVERYBODY* gets the fucking discount...then that *IS* the normal
> > price...so that any OEM that doesn't get the "discount" (i.e. NORMAL)
> price,
> > is actually being PENALIZED for merely giving their customers a wider
> > selection of products.
>
> Not everyone gets the discount.
>
> > This is called OBSTRUCTION OF TRADE.
>
> No. It's called very tough business practices.
Really. IBM was put under a consent decree for similar practices.
The automakers were told to discontinue this "tough business practice"
or face heavy fines.
IBM can't do it
GM can't do it
Ford can't do it
Chrysler can't do it.
What is the basis for your argument that Bill should be a special exception?
>
> >
> > IT IS ILLEGAL.
>
> I don't think so.
>
> >
> > OBSTRUCTION OF TRADE has been illegal in this country since the days of
> > the mining industry's "company town" rackets were broken up.
>
> Dell and Compaq were always free to choose to pay retail for Windows and
> nopt take the deep, deep discounts Microsft was offering.
And GM can freely choose to pay $10,000/spark plug. But that doesn't mean
that would stay in business for more than another week.
So, your point is?
>
> Always.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: gm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:30:25 GMT
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:41:05 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> For all you or I know, their firewall could have consisted of a *nix
>> firewall, just as their Hotmail system runs primarily on *nix.
>
>Yes meathead. It's well known that all UNIX based system
>are prone to E-mail viruse attachments in WORD DOCUMENTS.
Although a contributor, that isn't the root of the problem. They had a
firewall in place, they had logging in place. They didn't adequately
set up the former, and didn't adequately monitor the latter.
>What a fucking jerk.
Just because I point out the fallacy of your statements you think I'm
a jerk? You must think the world is full of jerks.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:18:43 -0500
Private User wrote:
>
> aaron wrote:
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Bully as in giving them an excellent price on the OS vs. making them pay
> > > retail.
> >
> > You don't understand.
> >
> > A legal "volume discount" is evaluate by the number of YOUR product sold,
> > *NOT* based on the number of competitors' products sold.
> >
> > The first is legal.
> > The second is illegal.
>
> behold libertarianism
Quite true. Libertarianism does NOT mean anarchy.
Libertarianism involves protection of individual rights, and that includes
protecting the free market from those who would seek to keep all competitors
from even having their product offered to the general public.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> STOP THE TROLLOCAUST
>
> NEVER AGAIN!
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin, more
> even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:19:29 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Frankly, Microsoft products do quite poorly when there is
> *ANY*
> > > > > > > > competition in the marketplace. There were several popular
> > > > > > > > office suites before Microsoft started forcing contracts on
> the
> > > > > > > > OEMS that essentially said, "You WILL pre-load MS-Office to
> the
> > > > > > > > exclusion of ALL OTHER office suites--or we will DOUBLE *YOUR*
> > > > > > > > licensing fees". That's not business...that's blackmail.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An alternative viewpoint is: "Load Office and we will give it to
> you
> > > at
> > > > > > > half-price. "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What a deal the OEM's got. And many, many users who never had to
> pay
> > > > > retail
> > > > > > > for it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regardless. Tell me the last time a user had any choice as to
> which
> > > > > > office suite they wanted to buy?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've NEVER bought a computer with DOS/Windows/WinNT/Win2k or Office
> on
> > > it.
> > > > > For many years I worked at a University and I could purchase most of
> the
> > > > > software I needed at a substantial educational discount. I fondly
> > > remember
> > > > > when Microsft was selling VB with a copy of NT in the box. Great
> deal
> > > for
> > > > > $Can 118 -- about $US 75.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've always bought computers from smaller companies and then loaded
> up
> > > the
> > > > > software myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's very easy to do.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, if you have the proper knowledge. The typical first-time
> computer
> > > user
> > > > has no experience loading operating systems.
> > >
> > > That wasn't the point. You said "Tell me the last time a user had any
> choice
> > > as to which
> > > office suite they wanted to buy?"
> >
> > Please show us ONE computer catalog that offers a competing Office Suite
> > for sale.
>
> Gateway. 99$ for Corel Wordperfect Suite 2000. You do get Microsoft Works,
> but you don't have to buy Office 2000.
So, in other words...EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT MS-CRAPWARE YOU ARE FORCED TO BUY IT.
Thank you for conclusively demonstrating my point.
>
> Is Gateway big enough for you?
>
> http://www.gatewayatwork.com/prod/sb_v566cses_Config.shtml
>
> What a maroon.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:20:04 -0500
Anonymous wrote:
>
> aaron wrote:
> > Matt Kennel wrote:
> > >
> > > :Look at Oracle. You pay for the software by the mhz of the chip you run it
> > > :on .... as if that was any of their f**king business.
> > > :
> > > :Upgrade the processor and pay more money!
> > > :
> > > :Talk about extortion.
> > >
> > > Why? I see no relation.
> > >
> > > The problem with Microsoft's business practices is that they were intentionally
> > > designed to thwart agreements between the Microsoft client and some other
> > > third software maker by means other than offering a superior product.
> >
> > Precisely. Subversion of the free market....and THAT is why
> > Microsoft should be put out of business.
>
> you write like a communist
Actually not. One product--no alternatives.
That's the Microsoft way...and also the commmunist way.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> STOP THE TROLLOCAUST
>
> NEVER AGAIN!
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin, more
> even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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