Linux-Advocacy Digest #140, Volume #30 Thu, 9 Nov 00 14:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Into the abyss of the WinTroll mind ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true (.)
Re: Reg Ex (Aaron Ginn)
Re: OS stability (.)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (.)
Re: RedHat BugList Summary (.)
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? (.)
Re: KDE2 (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: We will never know what the MS intruder did ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: OS stability (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Simon Palko")
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: Disapointed in the election (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: OS stability ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Into the abyss of the WinTroll mind
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:11:21 GMT
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:35:14 -0500, Mike Raeder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Angular Turnip wrote:
>
>> Bill Gates should include a free copy of Linux along with every copy of
>> Windows he sells because once people try Linux for the first time, there
>> will never be a second time. Linux in and of itself is the best reason
>> to not use it.
>>
>> Linux is just plain complicated and lame.
>
>Blah, blah, ad. nauseum. It's the same win-troll rubbish with that
>can be answered with the same "You're just too fscking stupid to use a
>computer" answer.
>If these people want help, they shouldn't be so offensive. WinTrolls
>want to complain about Linux, but they need to grow some netiquette
>and add an "IMHO" in their posts somewhere.
>
>Let's delve into the WinTroll mind-set. If they're having
>so_much_trouble with Linux, just imagine the typical WinTroll dealing
>with things other than Linux....
>
>Guns
>WinTroll: What!?! I bought the gun, and I bought the bullets,
>whaddaya mean I have to load the gun!?! Okay, so I loaded the gun,
>and you know what, it ran out of bullets.
Linux version: The gun comes in 200 pieces none of which works well
with each other and you have to read 2000 pages of documentation in
order to assemble it.
Then you discover that the bullets are not supported but they do give
you a form to exchange it for a bow and arrow.
>Cars
>WinTroll: Cars Suck! I took the car, shifted it into drive. And you
>know what happened? It went forward and slammed into a wall! Why do
>they have a "drive" gear if it's not going to drive for you!?! That's
>why buses rule and cars suck! Cars are just too complicated!
Linux version:
How the hell do I turn this thing on? Oops I guess
I forgot to install the "turn on package" which includes the ignition
and key. Oh well good old RPM will help me...If I can find it that is.
Oh RPM is locked in the trunk? Shit I need that key thingie again....
>Fishing
>WinTroll: I have to put bait on the hook!?! I read how you do it, but
>it's too complicated. Why can't hooks come with bait on them?
They do. They're called lures..
Linux version: What do you mean I have to grow my own earth worms?
>Food
>WinTroll: I ordered a big steak. And you know what? I couldn't fit
>it in my mouth. I complained to the waiter and he said I had to cut
>it myself. Steaks suck!
Linux version: The waiter hands you a plate, pan and a pile of meat
and you get to cook your own.
>Ballroom Dancing
>WinTroll: I can't believe that people would do this. The waltz is so
>lame. First off, you have to keep counting "1,2,3", and to make it
>more complicated you have to move your feet, then you end up stepping
>on your partners feet. This should just be easier.
Linux version: You get to count in binary. 0001, 0010, 0011 and so
forth.
>Grocery Shopping
>WinTroll: Grocery stores are such crap. I've been going over there
>every week for *years*. And to think that they could figure out what
>I want, put it in my trolley, and deliver it to me.
It's called a telephone. And yes here in the USA they DO deliver.
claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Date: 9 Nov 2000 18:15:08 GMT
Angular Turnip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux simply put is a piece of crap. I installed Mandrake 7.2 yesterday
> on a generic home built system and I can't believe that anyone but a
> real techie would switch from Windows just to run Linux. Are the people
> trying to market Linux to the general public serious or are they living
> in some cave somewhere playing with their calculators? If I wasn't smart
> enough to save a drive image of my Windows partitions I would be crying
> right now. I wonder how many people have tried to install Linux and blew
> away all of their Windows programs and data.
Only the very stupid ones who dont know a goddamn thing about computers.
> I booted the CD and it froze solid. Thinking I might have a bad burn, I
> burned another and had the same problem. So now I leach another copy off
> the web and try again. Same problem. Thinking maybe my system is hosed I
> try and boot some other bootable CD's I have and they work fine.
You didnt once think about trying another distribution, did you.
> Not one
> to give up, although I guess most people would have given up by now,
> read the readme files which are a convoluted mess, but I finally figure
> out how to make image floppys and I'm off. The install starts but
> freezes half way through with some kind of a segmentation fault. This is
> becoming old at this point. I try it one one time and this time I get
> through the entire idiotic install process. Why in the world does this
> thing need a swap partition when I have 512 meg of memory? Must be one
> heck of a memory pig.
Windows does the same exact thing. Try turning off everything that ever
pages to disk under windowsME, windows2000 and windowsNT. No matter how
much ram you have, you will not be a very happy camper.
> My first impressions of kde is that it looks hokey, kind of like a cheap
> Windows clone. With no clue about what these seemingly thousands of
> applications in the menues do,
Because youre retarded.
> I go for the games.
Because youre retarded.
> What a disappointment
> that turned out to be.
Because youre retarded.
You are an incredible moron who should avoid linux at all costs.
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From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reg Ex
Date: 09 Nov 2000 10:50:14 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'm working w/ Regular Expressions and can't figure out how to find a
> string while excluding a separate string.
>
> For example,
> if I use the regular expression c[^a]t, that will find 'ct' and 'cot',
> but not 'cat'.
>
> I want to say find an html file, but not html files within certain
> directories. So \.html would find all the html files, but how do I
> exlude files from the folder 'usr'.
>
> I tried \.html\[^^usr^], but that didn't work.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
I'm not exactly sure this is what you want, but I'd use find and pipe
the output into grep. For example,
find . -name "*.html*" -print | grep -v "usr"
This will search from . and print all files that have '.html' in their
pathname. The grep -v filters out everything that doesn't have 'usr'
in the pathname.
HTH,
Aaron
--
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Motorola SemiCustom Solutions Pager: 877-586-2318
1300 N. Alma School Rd. Fax : 480-814-4463
Chandler, AZ 85226 M/D CH260 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: 9 Nov 2000 18:21:07 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8ud4os$s0h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> The longest uptime on the list comes from Universitaetsklinikum Rudolf
>> Virchow with 825 days, OVER 2 years! Number 50 came was Octel
>> Communications Corporation at just under a year, arespectable 347 days!
>> Linux's best reported uptime? Over a year 406 days.
> Hmm... Sounds like a bunch of servers with security holes. Since they're on
> the internet, they can be easily identified and targeted by their uptimes.
Ummm...
You do realize that you only very rarely have to reboot a UNIX machine when
a security patch is applied, no?
And theres nearly always a way around it.
We dont all run windows, erik.
>> But what about MS? None in the top 50? Well to be fair W2000 has only
>> been out for what 9 months and the best uptime I found came from Dell
>> with a W2K server up for 81 days less than 1/3 of the total time w2k has
>> been out. The best w2k uptime reported by MS? 75 long days! Not even 3
>> months. Then there is NT the OS that so many WinSuporters said was so
>> stable, MS reports about 28 days! Not even a month! The poor MS admins
>> if that is the BEST NT can do!
> That would be about the time that SP1 came out. SP1 includes kernel
> updates. No way to apply them without rebooting, in any OS.
Some OSen update the kernel via module revisions (see QNX, Be, AIX) and
do not need to be rebooted.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: 9 Nov 2000 18:22:52 GMT
Greg Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> They simply have to use their brains. If they dont have one, they
>> should most certianly avoid linux as well as any other activity which
>> could possibly lead to activation of grey matter.
> You're falling into the classic techie trap of assuming that anyone who
> doesn't get on with computers is a total idiot.
No. But youre close.
Anyone who TRIES to get on with computers and doesnt is a total idiot. They
simply arent that difficult.
Anyone who DOESNT try to get on with computers, yet whines about them being
too hard anyway is simply a lazy bastard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: RedHat BugList Summary
Date: 9 Nov 2000 18:25:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:09:24 GMT, Chad Myers
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> The 64k number was reported by ZDnet from *Microsoft* itself.
>> >
>> >From one of those unnamed "inside sources".
>> >
>> >No one has yet to confirm these claims.
>>
>> Yup, and no one ever can because the real buglist is proprietary
>> information. You claim that the ones on MSDN are all the ones that are
>> known, but you can't prove that either.
>>
>> On the other hand, you _can_ see Red Hat's actual buglist. Hell, you
>> can enter one yourself and watch it appear on the list. Yet you insist
>> on comparing "known bugs" in NT to those in Red Hat, knowing full well
>> that the numbers are not comparable.
>> Why do you do that?
> Why do you say they're not comparable? Red Hat is averaging more
> exploits per month now than Win95/98/ME/NT/2000 and Outlook/Express
> combined!
Hmmm...how to put this mildly and politically...
It would not be in the best interest of most of those who find them to
actually try to get microsoft to fix them.
You probably wont believe that though. But the fact is, China's NT 4.0
boxen have been wide open for 36 months.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: 9 Nov 2000 18:28:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8udi6p$c0u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Curtis <alliem@kas*spam*net.com> wrote:
>> > Chad Myers wrote...
>> >> > It cant support true realtime applications
>> >>
>> >> BS. You have nothing to back this claim up. Besides, are you claiming
> Linux
>> >> can? ROFL...
>>
>> > Take a look at :
>>
>> > http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7598&Key=Forecast
>>
>> > [...]VenturCom offers three products that provide and take advantage of
> a
>> > realtime environment in NT, and the company recently released Win32rt, a
>> > common realtime API for NT and Windows CE.[....]
>>
>> Now actually use them. Go ahead, check out the granularity of stat
>> reporting with XRNOR on a fission core.
>>
>> And then wonder for about 3 seconds why no nuclear facility in the world
>> uses the NT version.
> Um, the US Navy plans to use win2k as an OS for the ships, some of them (the
> carriers, isn't it) use nuclear reactors for fuel.
Uhhmmm...So? They absolutely will have nothing to do with the RT application
of polling/modifying the reactor itself. Period.
> I would hope that win2k wouldn't be used for this particular task.
> 99.999999999999999999999999999% uptime is not an acceptable precentage with
> nuclear reactors.
It wont be; it will likely be used for what NT has traditionally been used
for on US Navy vessels; front end DB application, graphics intensive apps
(funky front end-RADAR and sonar stuff), payroll, etc.
> In fact, I would hope that no OS that I can lay my hands on would run it.
> A hand tailored OS in ADA, that is more like it.
There are a couple of RTOSes that would fit the bill of being entirely
customizable by the client. But theyll probably use what theyve always
used.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: KDE2
Date: 9 Nov 2000 18:30:51 GMT
On 9 Nov 2000 10:11:09 -0600, Donn Miller wrote:
>sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Keep up with the thread, Konqueror is NOT based on Mozzila. Gees, the
>> guy was not sure and was asking for clarification and you fly off the
>> handle!
>
>I'm compiling KDE2 now. From what I'm seeing, Konqueror is using a (possibly
>cleaned up) version of Mosaic. I'm seeing files like htmlparser, htmltoken,
>and htmltokenizer.cpp. I saw similar names when compiling Mosaic years ago.
I don't think this means anything. If I had to pick names, I'd almost
definitely have a htmlparser , for example.
>There you have it. Not only do Konqueror and IE look alike, but they are
>based on the same code (Mosaic).
What widget set does Mosaic use ? If it uses completely different APIs,
(and it certainly does not use any of the Qt/KDE stuff), I don't see how
one could gain substantially from using the old code.
--
Donovan
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: We will never know what the MS intruder did
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 13:31:26 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:kU3O5.1041$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > > We also won't count the fact that major vendors, such as Dell at least
> > > up until early 99, installed NT Workstation on FAT filesystems by
> > > default. So you had no security at all.
> >
> > And this is MS' fault how? OEM's ignorance is not MS' fault. MS has
> > many checklist and walk-throughs on securing a box at varying levels.
> >
> > Dell's choice to not install their boxes with consideration of security
> > is Dell's fault.
>
> You know exactly why nearly every NT box is installed either running
> on FAT or with a second copy loaded on a bootable FAT partition.
> If you don't, there is no way to recover from any of the common
> problems that might happen to make the NTFS filesystem unbootable.
> Good plan, Microsoft...
>
> > > Nor will we count the assorted IE and Outlook holes that could easily
> > > lead to account compromises by premitting simple "social engineering"
> > > exploits.
> >
> > Any OS is vulnerable to these types of attacks. NT is certainly not
> > alone in this regard, if that's what you're attempting to say.
>
> But Outllook is designed to make it easy.
>
> > So, we have two local exploits for Red Hat vs one remote for NT.
> >
> > vs NONE for NT (one for SMS)
>
> Except that most systems are on FAT because they have to be,
> thus have no security at all.
>
> > > That does not sound like the clear win you were looking for.
> >
> > But the point was to prove to that your statements that NT/2K have
> > more P.E. attacks was false. This I have done quite clearly.
>
> But you are ignoring the fact that it is easy to install the updates
> that fix the RedHat bugs but next to impossible to fix NT and
> Outlook's design problems that make exploits easy.
That's assuming that Microsoft even admits that there's a bug
in the first place.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Date: 9 Nov 2000 18:35:14 GMT
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 15:58:48 GMT, Angular Turnip wrote:
>Linux simply put is a piece of crap. I installed Mandrake 7.2 yesterday
How are we supposed to take you seriously when you post inflammatory
posts under a name like "angular turnip" ?
I'm sorry that you don't find LInux useful.
However, there are a lot of people who find Linux very useful.
Whine all you like, but all the whining in the world will not alter the
fact that more and more people are adopting Linux as their main OS every
day.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: 9 Nov 2000 18:39:59 GMT
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000 03:37:09 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8ud4os$s0h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> The longest uptime on the list comes from Universitaetsklinikum Rudolf
>> Virchow with 825 days, OVER 2 years! Number 50 came was Octel
>> Communications Corporation at just under a year, arespectable 347 days!
>> Linux's best reported uptime? Over a year 406 days.
>
>Hmm... Sounds like a bunch of servers with security holes. Since they're on
>the internet, they can be easily identified and targeted by their uptimes.
Most of the security upgrades don't require a reboot.
--
Donovan
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From: "Simon Palko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:41:08 -0500
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uc8jc$dhm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Simon Palko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8uc0bn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > IAFWYEI.
>
> Ha? What this supposed to mean?
It's always funnier when you explain it.
(IAFWYEI.)
--
-Simon Palko
"More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
backs!"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: 9 Nov 2000 19:49:19 +0100
In article <8ucnfp$3bu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bruce Scott TOK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nice but if the guy's only access is through that laptop then he is
>> screwed (of course, decent distributions like Slackware have those
>> HOWTO's already loaded, but if he's hosed his system he can't read them
>> unless he's already printed them out).
>
>Retard, he was obviously in communication with "claire", who (as we all
>quite painfully know) has had access this entire time. If she had one
>functioning braincell in her head, she would have found it in seconds.
I guess you didn't read very well. The guy's machine went down, so he
got in contact with Claire to whine about it. Probably by phone. Maybe
even by voice.
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
sign the Linux Driver Petiton: http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: Disapointed in the election
Date: 9 Nov 2000 19:47:16 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I voted for Nader.
>>
>> Unfortunately the idiots in my home state voted Hillary "The Witch"
>> Clinton in as US Senator.
>>
>> Sad :(
>>
>> claire
>>
>I'm fromthe UK, so I obviously could not vote in your elections. While
>I can see why you voted for Nader, don't you see that you have only
>acted to help the simpleton Bush?
No, that's stupid.
www.counterpunch.org
(off topic, so no further posts on this from me)
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
sign the Linux Driver Petiton: http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: 9 Nov 2000 19:51:12 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
efw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>no system is protected from stupidity. If he shut it down the wrong way
>>it doenst matter if he was root or not, the filesystems were still
>>mounted and were not UNmounted properly.
>
>By The Way, is there a possibility that in the near future we will get a
>faster way to power on/off a computer, without messing with magic words
>and procedures? Just like the apple][. Just like a videogame. Because I
>just like that 2 minutes of my life, actually trashed.
>()efw
Would be interesting to get the power on/off switch to send commands to
the OS/Bios without actually turning the power off (this was discussed a
lot circa 1994/5... don't know how or whether the boundary conditions
for it have changed).
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
sign the Linux Driver Petiton: http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: 9 Nov 2000 19:53:29 +0100
In article <8ue089$m4m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Greg Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> They simply have to use their brains. If they dont have one, they
>> should most certianly avoid linux as well as any other activity which
>> could possibly lead to activation of grey matter.
>
>You're falling into the classic techie trap of assuming that anyone who
>doesn't get on with computers is a total idiot. Most people just want to
>use a computer to do there work, and don't want or need to know how it
>works. Until Linux can be as simple as 'turn it on, and it works' then
>it'll be a toy for geeks with time on their hands (like me). [...]
I hope you aren't using this argument for windows advocacy. If that is
what you want in a computer, but an IMac. End of Story.
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
sign the Linux Driver Petiton: http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: 9 Nov 2000 19:52:25 +0100
In article <3a09b803$0$3646$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Relax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Your friend probably didnt know
>> > how to properly shut down a linux machine and was flipping power on
>> > and off the way you used to be able to do with DOS.
>
>A laptop is _expected_ to suffer sudden power failures. Maybe Linux is just
>not mature enough for such a demanding environment?
Think.
What does Windows do when you close a running laptop?
Hint: Linux can do the same (eg, mine did so before the battery died).
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
sign the Linux Driver Petiton: http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: 9 Nov 2000 19:54:06 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bruce Scott TOK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <8ue089$m4m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Greg Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> They simply have to use their brains. If they dont have one, they
>>> should most certianly avoid linux as well as any other activity which
>>> could possibly lead to activation of grey matter.
>>
>>You're falling into the classic techie trap of assuming that anyone who
>>doesn't get on with computers is a total idiot. Most people just want to
>>use a computer to do there work, and don't want or need to know how it
>>works. Until Linux can be as simple as 'turn it on, and it works' then
>>it'll be a toy for geeks with time on their hands (like me). [...]
>
>I hope you aren't using this argument for windows advocacy. If that is
>what you want in a computer, but an IMac. End of Story.
Damn typos. That should be "buy an IMac".
--
cu,
Bruce
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:04:55 -0600
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uees6$s39$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <DduO5.7124$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ud4os$s0h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > The longest uptime on the list comes from Universitaetsklinikum
> Rudolf
> > > Virchow with 825 days, OVER 2 years! Number 50 came was Octel
> > > Communications Corporation at just under a year, arespectable 347
> days!
> > > Linux's best reported uptime? Over a year 406 days.
> >
> > Hmm... Sounds like a bunch of servers with security holes. Since
> they're on
> > the internet, they can be easily identified and targeted by their
> uptimes.
>
> By your logic Barns & Noble must be the most secure site around!
No. It's a fact, any Linux system that's been up over a year has bugs in
it's kernel that could make it insecure.
> http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph/?host=www.bn.com
>
> when the facts seem to point to the fact that BN's average uptime went
> into the toilet when they cut to 2000 and only started to get better
> when they started going back to NT!
What are you talking about? The site you list shows that B&N has not been
on NT4 since March 24th.
Additionally, the improvement in uptime also coincides with them moving from
what looks like an MCI co-located system to an in-house one.
> Here'e another one I like, Have a look at NBC's results with Linux
> compared with NT:
>
> http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=uptime&site=www.nbc.com
NBC also moved to a different hosting company, which could have something to
do with it.
> > > But what about MS? None in the top 50? Well to be fair W2000 has
> only
> > > been out for what 9 months and the best uptime I found came from
> Dell
> > > with a W2K server up for 81 days less than 1/3 of the total time w2k
> has
> > > been out. The best w2k uptime reported by MS? 75 long days! Not even
> 3
> > > months. Then there is NT the OS that so many WinSuporters said was
> so
> > > stable, MS reports about 28 days! Not even a month! The poor MS
> admins
> > > if that is the BEST NT can do!
> >
> > That would be about the time that SP1 came out. SP1 includes kernel
> > updates. No way to apply them without rebooting, in any OS.
>
> Hmmmm, I they are so insecure, I wonder why they have not been hacked
> yet. Judging by the logs from my firewall they have been scanned many
> times by now.
What are you talking about? This statement has nothing to do with what I
said in the quoted text.
> Keep up with the news franky! MS does not apply patches! That's how they
> got hacked the second time in a month! They didn't even apply the
> patches after they got hacked the first time. And according to what I
> see on the graphs, they still have not!
MS does apply patches. The machine that got hacked was a retired machine
that was still redirecting users to a different source. They overlooked one
machine, and someone found it.
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