Linux-Advocacy Digest #311, Volume #30           Sun, 19 Nov 00 17:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: 10th grader com sci homework request (matt newell)
  Re: 10th grader com sci homework request (Andres Soolo)
  Re: It's even worse than I thought. (Gary Hallock)
  Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Tim Tyler)
  Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: 10th grader com sci homework request ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Linux trips over itself once again ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux (Black Dragon)
  Re: It's even worse than I thought. (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: wahoo!  I'm running now (Gary Hallock)
  Re: Linux Can't find PC133 memory??? (The Ghost In The Machine)
  Re: Linux + KDE2 + hello world = 8( (Pete Goodwin)

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From: matt newell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10th grader com sci homework request
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:25:08 -0800

>  Hello,
> 
> I have to write a large paper for Computer Science class.
> I have written whatI know and what I have found in the internet
> that i know is true. would you add to the list.
> 
>  It is simply the differences between the four major O/S's.
> It doesnt have to be in sentences or anything I will do that later,
>  but at least so I can understand it, that would be great. thanks.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Tina Wyndham
> 
> ----
> 
> 
> 
> microsoft :
> 
> 1.has foot in nearly every door of all organizations on planet earth
> 
> 2.good portion of Microsoft computer operators,
> presently unfazed to extremely cautious regarding source code theft from
> MicroSoft HQ.
> 
> 3.has proven the best marketing for building a better faster product is
> global beta testing
> for close source software.
> 
> 4.Security problems are common due to collaboration errors and
> fundmental testing
> phases,
> 
> 5.fixes or patches are readily available and are not usually immediately
> issued, nor
> explained.
> 
> 6.Has one of the monetarily wealthiest men at the helm.
> 
> 7.Has made quite a few billioniares
> 
> 8.Has made more then a few millionaires.
> 
> 9.Follows what it can't develop in real time, offeres to purchase stake.
> 
> 10.Creates mass use for dependecy.
> 
> 11.Uses different operating systems to deliver software via the internet
> because they run
> faster and are more dependable.
> 
> 12.Created a large workforce and product(s) to work on.
> 
> 13.requires no knowledge of computers
> 14.has fanatics praising its side
> 
> ( add to list below here please)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Linux(s):
> 
> 1.was developed by guy who didn't like licensed software.
> 2.making solid progress in the name of computing
> 3.Cannot be stolen, source can be purchased if not downloaded for free.
> 4. runs well for months at a time.
> 
> 5. Security problems are common due to collaboration errors and
> fundmental testing
> phases,

There are *very* few security problems in the most common server applications 
which have all been tested over many years. Most security problems come from 
default installations and new, untested software.

> 6.fixes or patches readily available and usually immediately issued and
> explained.
> 
> 7.has fanatics praising its side
> can emulate operating systems
> 
> 8.Created a large workforce and product(s) to work on.
> requires knowledge of computers
> 
> 9.Runs microsoft ftp servers.
> 
> 
> ( add to list below here please)
> 
> 
> BSD(s)
> 
> 1. variants have collaborated.
> 
> 2. Quietly making solid progress in the name of computing
> 
> 3. Security problems are few due to collaboration errors and fundmental
> testing phases,
> 
> 4. fixes or patches readily available and usually immediately issued and
> explained.
> 
> 5. has fanatics praising its side
> can run binaries of other operating systems
> 
> 6. Created respectable workforce and product(s) to work on.
> 
> 7.requires advanced knowledge of computers
> Runs microsoft ftp servers.
> 
> 
> 
> apple :  ( i dont't know anything about them.) yet.
> 
> --
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
> 


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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: 10th grader com sci homework request
Date: 19 Nov 2000 21:25:17 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That isn't true. if you put someone who has never used a computer in
> front of one, they won't be able to use it.
Not too true, but close enough.  I guess someone who has read more than
a few of the books concering the building principles of computers could
be able to figure out how to do something meaningful with one of them.
It's a shame they don't write books like they did in 1970s and 1980s
anymore.

The Macs, OTOH would probably be almost usable for first-time users.
<duck>

>> Both harder to learn and less stable than MacOS
> Are you saying Linux is less stable than MacOS. I'd have to disagree,
> unless you're talking about MacOS X (which I don't know much about).
</duck>
I'd disagree with that half of the sentence too.

-- 
Andres Soolo   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

It's not whether you win or lose but how you played the game.
                -- Grantland Rice

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:45:43 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's even worse than I thought.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I could care less what you believe. Try discussing the topic instead
> of making up fantasies in your mind Gary.
>
> claire

Uh, I was discussing the topic.  You see, you have made such an ass of yourself
so many times and made outrageous claims so many times that your credibility is
zero.    So your sob stories about your latest trip to CompUSA must be taken
with a grain of salt.   NO ONE beleives you for a second.   And you brought
that lack of credibility on yourself.

Gary


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Crossposted-To: 
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:43:25 GMT

In comp.lang.java.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "!" wrote:
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> > "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[source to Access]

:> >> Chad's view is like saying that you don't care whether or not
:> >> your car's technical manuals are available to the public.  After
:> >> all, *you* don't know what to do with those manuals, so obviously
:> >> it doesn't matter if they are out there.  This naive viewpoint
:> >> ignores the fact that it's kinda nice that your *mechanic* can
:> >> get access to those manuals.
:>
:> > Mechanics have access to much more technical and accurate documentation.
:> > The manual becomes irrelevant.
:>
:> > Developers get along just find without having the source to Access.
:> >
:> > [...] People can optimize, configure, and tweak the applications
:> > to their specifications without the source because the software is
:> > well designed in the first place, making having the source available
:> > irrelevant.
:>
:> My god chad, youre the biggest fucking idiot ive ever seen in my entire
:> life,[...] Everything youve just typed is *completely* wrong.  You'd
:> realize it was wrong if you had any actual programming experience.

: No it's not [...] Why am I wrong? [...] You make no attempt to debate
: the facts I've stated, even the obvious ones like "people get along
: just fine without the source to Access" [...]

In fact, there are some excellent reasons for having open source software.

One is security.  If you (or public experts) can examine the source code
to software, they can verify that the software does not contain any
backdoors, which might leak your precious information to your opponents.

Microsoft don't care two hoots about security - so of course this means
nothing to them.

In the absence of any evidence that their product is secure, you can
still implicitly indicate that you trust them to look after your data -
by using their products.
-- 
__________                  http://alife.co.uk/  http://mandala.co.uk/
 |im |yler  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://hex.org.uk/   http://atoms.org.uk/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:53:48 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>"Code" runs faster on Linux? Or faster on Windows?
>
>Who the hell cares what speed some snippet of a totally useless to the
>average Jane piece of code runs at.
>
>That's the problem with Linux.
>
>The Penguinista's are constantly talking techno babble while the rest
>of the earth is talking applications.
>
>Or in the case of Linsux, lack of applications.
>
>You guys can claim all the theoretical speed differences and design
>superiority you want but until you have an applications base, of
>applications that Jane at home wants to use, you will be left out of
>that market. 
>Like Linux is now.
>A complete non-contender for the desktop.
>
>
>
>claire
>
>

Well, Linux has virtually NO MARKETING.
Linux has absolutely no FORCED/USE contracts like Microsoft has.

You won't see a T.V. commerical for Linux.
You barely see them in magazines execept for Linux only magazines.
There are NO billboard posters along the highway for Linux.
There are NO linux radio ad's!

Linux has virtually NO marketing at all.  Even their trade shows
are extremely small.  

YET despite this lack of marketing effort it still remains 
the #1 growing OS in the world today.  

There has NEVER been another os in the history of computers
grow as rapidly as Linux has.  

And by 2005 under this consistent growth model, Linux will
topple Microsofts seat of power and become the Globally Dominate
Operating system of the future. 

And NOTHING has changed this so far. 
And if you think your the FIRST one to post a complaint about
Linux, your dead wrong.  

In-fact, NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNS against Linux has been one of their
greatest marketing windfalls.  It only seemed to server making
more people aware of it's existance.

And so far in the 21st century, Microsoft has finally ceased to
grow.  Their growth rate has completely stopped.

Time will tell if this trend remains at a hover for Microsoft
in 2001 OR will Microsoft show negative growth in 2001.

Despite what you say and what I say, the Linux growth
trend has been at a steady and consistent pace for 6 straight
years now.  And nothing, so far, has de-railed this growth.

I think probably 1998 was one of the worst years for COLA
in the NEGATIVE campaign wars when we had 50-60 wintrolls
in here just flooding the system with messages about
LINUX SUX.  

Today we have probably less than 20.

Because of the nature of how Linux is manufactured, the
fact that Linux is an all volunteer effort and not from
a company, the fact they have a zero budget, the fact
that it's user base is extremely loyal, Linux will
be globally dominate by 2005.

The reason Microsoft is being eaten by Linux is very simple.
Microsoft is well versed on the tactics of destroying business
competiton.  Linux is not a business and they just don't know
how to deal with it.  Linux is so powerful that it has
captured Dell corporation and is eating Compaq away.  Microsoft
has NO CONTROL over Dell and Compaq anymore.  They have tried
fervently to stop Linux from being installed on their machines
with all kinds of crappy agreements and threats.  Nothing
Microsoft has tried has worked.

All of the PC manufacturers of any size are offering Linux.
Linux is IBM's BASE INSTALL for all servers.  You can have
Linux loaded on any of their PC products including the 
Think Pads.  

Microsoft has tried to stop all this activity with the
same tactics they used against other competitors of 
the past and they have failed.

And Microsoft is functionally finished.  You can say that
safely and with certainty.  Even though they still have
the largest stake of the market, Microsoft is finished.

Charlie
Linux - GET USED TO IT!





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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10th grader com sci homework request
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:49 -0500


Tina Wyndham wrote:
> 
>  Hello,
> 
> I have to write a large paper for Computer Science class.
> I have written whatI know and what I have found in the internet
> that i know is true. would you add to the list.
> 
>  It is simply the differences between the four major O/S's.
> It doesnt have to be in sentences or anything I will do that later,
>  but at least so I can understand it, that would be great. thanks.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Tina Wyndham
> 
> ----
> 
> microsoft :
> 
> 1.has foot in nearly every door of all organizations on planet earth
> 
> 2.good portion of Microsoft computer operators,
> presently unfazed to extremely cautious regarding source code theft from
> MicroSoft HQ.
> 
> 3.has proven the best marketing for building a better faster product is
> global beta testing
> for close source software.

Correction:  the best marketing is to intimidate OEM's into not carrying
any other competing products...and in case end-customers demand the
competitor's product instead, make sure the contracts state that the
OEM still pays Microsoft [even though the customer actually had
DR-DOS or Linux installed].

> 
> 4.Security problems are common due to collaboration errors and
> fundmental testing
> phases,
> 
> 5.fixes or patches are readily available and are not usually immediately
                        ^
                        NOT

> issued, nor explained.
> 
> 6.Has one of the monetarily wealthiest men at the helm.

This is irrelevent, unless you believe in Communist class-warfare theories.

> 
> 7.Has made quite a few billioniares
> 
> 8.Has made more then a few millionaires.
> 
> 9.Follows what it can't develop in real time, offeres to purchase stake.

"offers" would be an understatement.

DEMANDS would be a better way of putting it.  Those that resist
(case in point, Stacker Compression Software) have their code
STOLEN by Microsoft.

> 
> 10.Creates mass use for dependecy.
> 
> 11.Uses different operating systems to deliver software via the internet
> because they run
> faster and are more dependable.
> 
> 12.Created a large workforce and product(s) to work on.
> 
> 13.requires no knowledge of computers

Microsoft Propaganda.
A novice user plopped in front of a Windows machine is just
as confused as if he were put in front of a Linux machine.  The
difference is...the Windows user will stay a novice for a lot longer.

> 14.has fanatics praising its side
> 
> ( add to list below here please)
> 
> Linux(s):
> 
> 1.was developed by guy who didn't like licensed software.
> 2.making solid progress in the name of computing
> 3.Cannot be stolen, source can be purchased if not downloaded for free.

For anything code released under the GPL (General Public License),
the source code MUST be made available at no additional cost.


> 4. runs well for months at a time.
                   ^^^^^^
                   Years if need be :-)


> 
> 5. Security problems are common due to collaboration errors and
> fundmental testing phase,

Wrong.  Because of the modular structure of Unix and Linux,
"collaboration errors" are not merely minimized..they don't
exist.

Althogh some security problems exist, NONE are due to "collaboration
errors"

> 
> 6.fixes or patches readily available and usually immediately issued and
> explained.
> 
> 7.has fanatics praising its side can emulate operating systems

Not only fanatics, but a lot of people who are EXPERTS in the
field of computing.

> 
> 8.Created a large workforce and product(s) to work on.
> requires knowledge of computers

ALL computers require training to use.

> 
> 9.Runs microsoft ftp servers.

???  Why, would anybody do that, when FTP servers were invented
on Unix, and the Unix FTP servers can be ported to Linux with
little or no modification.

> 
> ( add to list below here please)
> 
> BSD(s)
> 
> 1. variants have collaborated.

This is NOT in contrast to the various Linux Distributions.
The linux distros are the result of various teams of people simply
collecting whatever Linux applications and drivers that each team
meets an acceptable level of Productivity + Reliability, and then
wraps it all inside an installation script.


> 
> 2. Quietly making solid progress in the name of computing
> 
> 3. Security problems are few due to collaboration errors and fundmental
> testing phases,

See BSD (1) above.

All linux distributions are tested before being released.
Collaboration, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with it.


> 
> 4. fixes or patches readily available and usually immediately issued and
> explained.
> 
> 5. has fanatics praising its side

Again a lot of people HIGHLY EDUCATED in the field of computing
also back BSD Unix.


> can run binaries of other operating systems



> 
> 6. Created respectable workforce and product(s) to work on.
> 
> 7.requires advanced knowledge of computers

No more than any other system.


> Runs microsoft ftp servers.

FTP servers were INVENTED on BSD systems, and BSD-native ftp servers
are far superior to anything available from/for Microsoft.


> 
> apple :  ( i dont't know anything about them.) yet.
> 
> --
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux trips over itself once again
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:02:10 GMT

Once again Linux, in this case Mandrake 7.2, has failed to install on
a system that has easily installed Windows.

System:
        Thinkpad 765L with a 3gb drive, external floppy drive and a
Sigma Data 24x CDROM in the ultrabay. PCMCIA cards include a TokenRing
and modem. BTW I tried it with and without the PCMCIA cards installed.
Hard drive is freshly formatted with DOS and is one large partition.
Since this machine will not boot from the CDROM I had to use one of
the other methods according to the Mandrake readme.

First method.

d:\dosutils\autoboot\autoboot.bat

CD starts up and messages ask if I need PCMCIA for install. I say no,
but it doesn't matter if I chose yes instead.

I get a message saying "accessing CD and the entire system hangs at
that point with a blue screen saying "Initializing CDROM". Funny, it
was able to read from the CDROM to get this far.

Doing an alt-f3 gives me the message's:

*calling mount(tmp/hdb, /tmp/rhimage, iso9660, -1058209791, (nil))
*removing device file /tmp/hdb
*method selection complete
*state saved to /tmp
*error in exec of second stage loader  :-(
*        error: No such file of directory


Real great stuff this Linux is. Man I am learning a hell of a lot of
useful stuff here. Too bad Windows doesn't give me all of this great
information when it installs. Of course Windows installs fine so I
don't need any of this tech stuff.

So I make boot disks and try a different approach.

This time Linux can't even find the CDROM at all...

What " How-To " did I miss this time?

What a piece of junk Linux is.

claire

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon )
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:00:28 GMT


On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:00:10 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' said:

: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:15:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: (Black Dragon ) wrote:
: 
: >
: >On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:49:31 GMT in alt.linux,
: ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' said:
: >
: >[cross posts trimmed claire's current whore house]
: >
: >: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:50:49 -0500, Chas2K
: >: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >: 
: >: 
: >: >over and over to get just these reactions from you. I will build a kill
: >: >filter for Clair the Troll as soon as this post goes out. It will reside
: >: >along side the one for pencil-dick Rev. Kool who trolls the BSD
: >: >newgroups.
: >: >
: >: 
: >: There is your first problem.
: >: 
: >: " Building" a kill filter.
: >: 
: >: I just killfiled you with 2 mouse clicks..
: >: 
: >: Bamm...into the Bozo bin...
: >: 
: >: claire
: >: 
: >: Linux "The only OS you have to build as you go along".
: >
: >Fuck'n blow me you cheap cock sucking whore. Why don't you go fuck 
: >around in Pimp Billy's news groups with all the other skanky 
: >whores, and let the Linux folk go about their business.
: >
: >5 keystrokes later ....
: >
: >*PLONK*


: Another fine example of a Penguinista in his native environment.

Not quite bitch. I adminsister a heterogeneous network, using the best
tools for the jobs, and Windows is one of them. You really ought to
get youself some netiqutte and learn how to post properly, ya' skanky 
fucking cunt.
 
-- 
Black Dragon

Sign The Linux Driver Petition:
http://www.libralinux.com/petition.english.html

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: It's even worse than I thought.
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:04:36 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:21:56 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>It will.  If it weren't for the issue of staying compatible with
>>data stored in proprietary formats by programs that established
>>their ubiquity through illegal practices, it already would be.
>
>Yawnnn.. Very old...
>It's known as competition and it leads to progress. That is why
>Windows programs are so much better than Linux ones, if you can even
>find a Linux program.
>
>claire
>

Ah, nope!  Windows programmers are not more intelligent than
Linux developers.  HA.  Not by a long shot.

Charlie



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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:55:05 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wahoo!  I'm running now

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:31:12 -0500, Gary Hallock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Yes, Linux does, if you use the standard Unix approach - copy with left mouse
> >key, paste with right.   The only time I have had this fail on any version of
> >Unix is if numlock is on.
> >
> >Gary
>
> Try it using the menus from KDE editor (either one) into a field on a
> webpage using Netscape.
>
> Or just try Select all text from the KDE editor menu and try and use
> the buttons to paste it into a field in Netscape.
>
> It doesn't work at least on a Thinkpad 765L which I'm sure you have to
> test it on.
>
> claire

Yawn.   We have been through this before.   I just tried what you suggested and
it worked just fine.   I am currently using KDE 2 and Netscape 4.72, but the last
time this this lie came up, I tried it using KDE 1.1.2 and it worked fine then
also.   kedit and kwrite both work  - left to copy and middle to paste.

Gary


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux Can't find PC133 memory???
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:06:22 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote
on Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:19:05 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Yea, you're trying to run Linux.

Exactly.  Everyone should know that they should run Windows 2000,
Personal Edition.  It's the best danged operating system out there
that will sit on your desktop and do everything that you want it to.

Spot The Sarcasm.

(Did I mention that this is covered in the FAQ and already
answered by other posters?  Edit /etc/lilo.conf, add the line

append="mem=128M"

somewhere near the top, rerun /sbin/lilo, and you're all set.)

>
>claire
>
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 02:35:35 GMT, Jolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I  bought a  new mother board, PC chips' VIA KT133 board, with duron and
>>128 M Pc133 RAM.
>>But my linux can't recognize all my memory. It tell me that all I have
>>is only 64M RAM!!!
>>I tried  Mandrake 7.0, Redhat 6.0(RH6.2 doesn't work), the same results.
>>
>>Under win98,  128M Ram is recognized.
>>
>>Anybody know the problem?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jolf
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here

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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 + hello world = 8(
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:10:22 +0000

Vann wrote:

> Mandrake tends to avoid installing development packages.  It will install
> the libraries, but not the needed header and source files.  I'd look for a
> package like kde2-devel, qt2-devel, or something similar.

Got it!

The documentation and Mandrake don't match!

Here's what got it all working:

#
#       Linux Mandrake 7.2 settings
#

QTDIR = /usr/lib/qt2
KDEDIR = /usr

QTINC = -I$(QTDIR)/include
KDEINC = -I$(KDEDIR)/include
QTLIB = -L$(QTDIR)/lib
KDELIB = -L$(KDEDIR)/lib
QTBIN = $(QTDIR)/bin

Also, the library is -lqt2, not -lqt

Once I used the above, everything worked fine.

-- 
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2


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