Linux-Advocacy Digest #371, Volume #30 Wed, 22 Nov 00 20:13:05 EST
Contents:
Microsoft = Ingsoc? They're clearly using some of the same tactics! (Kenny Pearce)
Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats !
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("PLZI")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Which distribution do I get? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another happy Linux user ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another happy Linux user ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Linux for nitwits ("Patrick Raymond Hancox")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: new site ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Sixth Sense ("PLZI")
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From: Kenny Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Microsoft = Ingsoc? They're clearly using some of the same tactics!
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:58:25 -0800
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To all Linux users or Microsoft advocates who have read George Orwell's
1984 and (especially) to "Claire":
Anyone who has read Orwell's 1984 knows of certain undesireable
tactics used by Ingsoc (the English Socialist Party). One such tactic
was a language called "Newspeak". Newspeak was a scientifically
formulated language which was designed such that each word would only
have one meaning and, rather than have any redundancies, the un-
formation would be used instead of having a seperate word (ex. "ungood"
for "bad"). The reason "newspeak" was used was that it allowed the
government to control the language of the people. In order to eliminate
treasonous thoughts, they simply had to eliminate the words used to
express them. When a generation came that thought in newspeak and had
never heard "oldspeak" (traditional English), they would have no way to
express treasonous thoughts, even to themselves. The closest they could
come was to say "Big Brother is ungood". Not a very large threat to
Ingsoc.
How does this relate to Microsoft? Look at technical jargon. Imagine
trying to communicate to the average Windows user the idea of "virtual
terminals", "drive partitions" or "virtual screens". It's possible, but
it would take some doing and, having never experienced such a thing (in
the same way that residents of England in the year 1984 had never
experienced freedom of the press or other similar concepts) they would
have no idea what the point was (and neither would the residents of
Orwellian England).
Now, imagine, as a programmer, trying to communicate such topics to
Windows computer! All I can say is: good luck.
Microsoft has made their goal to control the flow of information
completely by controlling the medium through which it is transferred and
destroying all information they cannot control. Sound like the Thought
Police? The Ministry of Truth?
Be careful about criticizing Linux. You may not like the OS, but
you've got to defend the GPL at least. Why? For the same reason I defend
the right of the Neo-Nazis to publish pamphlets or the right of anyone
who wants to to publish iformation offensive to my moral, ethical or
religious beliefs. Because, I could be next. If you support Microsoft
and they win, you may soon find yourself in a world where all flow of
information is controlled by one super-corporation, and we all know who
that corporation would be.
Be careful,
Kenny
PS-
This post is intended as an HHOS. The message I believe, but don't
take every detail seriously. Anyone who does has paranoid delusions far
worse than mine.
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To all Linux users or Microsoft advocates who have read George Orwell's
<i>1984</i> and (especially) to "Claire":
<p> Anyone who has read Orwell's <i> 1984</i> knows
of certain undesireable tactics used by Ingsoc (the English Socialist Party).
One such tactic was a language called "Newspeak". Newspeak was a scientifically
formulated language which was designed such that each word would only have
one meaning and, rather than have any redundancies, the un- formation would
be used instead of having a seperate word (ex. "ungood" for "bad"). The
reason "newspeak" was used was that it allowed the government to control
the language of the people. In order to eliminate treasonous thoughts,
they simply had to eliminate the words used to express them. When a generation
came that thought in newspeak and had never heard "oldspeak" (traditional
English), they would have no way to express treasonous thoughts, even to
themselves. The closest they could come was to say "Big Brother is ungood".
Not a very large threat to Ingsoc.
<br> How does this relate to Microsoft? Look at technical
jargon. Imagine trying to communicate to the average Windows user the idea
of "virtual terminals", "drive partitions" or "virtual screens". It's possible,
but it would take some doing and, having never experienced such a thing
(in the same way that residents of England in the year 1984 had never experienced
freedom of the press or other similar concepts) they would have no idea
what the point was (and neither would the residents of Orwellian England).
<br> Now, imagine, as a programmer, trying to communicate
such topics to Windows computer! All I can say is: good luck.
<br>
<br> Microsoft has made their goal to control the flow
of information completely by controlling the medium through which it is
transferred and destroying all information they cannot control. Sound like
the Thought Police? The Ministry of Truth?
<br> Be careful about criticizing Linux. You may not
like the OS, but you've got to defend the GPL at least. Why? For the same
reason I defend the right of the Neo-Nazis to publish pamphlets or the
right of anyone who wants to to publish iformation offensive to my moral,
ethical or religious beliefs. Because, I could be next. If you support
Microsoft and they win, you may soon find yourself in a world where all
flow of information is controlled by one super-corporation, and we all
know who that corporation would be.
<p> Be careful,
<p>
Kenny
<br>
<p>PS-
<br> This post is intended as an HHOS. The message I
believe, but don't take every detail seriously. Anyone who does has paranoid
delusions far worse than mine.</html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats !
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:06:49 -0000
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:35:43 -0800, Kenny Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Allow me to explain something to you:
>
>Linux Philosopy 101 -
>
> There is no excuse for complaining that you don't like the way Linux works
>(or complaining that it doesn't work) If you don't like it, change it! Linux is
>by hackers for hackers (and ligitimate wannabes) and was not created for "normal
>people" (as opposed to hackers). Work is underway to make Linux useable to
>"normal people", but this is not and (I hope) never will be the purpose of
>Linux. These are merely patches. If you don't like Linux, then rather than
>insulting it's creators, FIX IT!
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:46:03 -0500, "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Netscape STILL has these SAME old problems? You say version 6 (the great
>> >MOZILLA) is even worse? Oh my. This has turned into a 'same old, same old'
>> >horror show.
>>
>> It's a perfect match for Linsux which still can't recognize the
>> correct amount of memory installed on some motherboards. Still has
>> shaky USB support. Still has people running around in circles trying
>> to connect to the internet and on an on.
Some people have those same sorts of problems with Monopolyware.
[deletia]
--
Section 8. The Congress shall have power...
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for
limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their
respective writings and discoveries;
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From: "PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:54:55 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:UIIS5.23478$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> As always, this is undocumented. However, it seems to only be
> between Win2k peers on port 445 and if either end is not Win2k
> it will fall back to the old 137/139.
This, as always, is documented. Whats more, it is (gasp!) an open standard,
something called CIFS (Common Internet File System). You can pull the specs
out from microsoft.com. And the behaviour is fully controllable. There are
two ways to do filesharing things on W2K box, other one is CIFS, other one
SMB/NetBIOS. If the other box does not talk CIFS, the W2K peer falls back to
NetBIOS. Or does not, depends how you set things up.
> > Also, is this controllable anywhere, say from the control panel?
> > (Or whatever Win2k decides to call it?)
>
> There are no user-servicable parts.
Humh, do a search about CIFS in www.microsoft.com. I dare you.
and being an nice person today, look what I found for you:
A Common Internet File System (CIFS/1.0) Protocol
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/specs/cifs1099.htm
If you're paying attention, you will find that inside the CIFS spec, there is
full specification of SMB. Header by header, byte by byte. Now what was that,
SAMBA guys whining that the SMB protocol is closed and specs are not
available...? Ok, let's do it all together:
"ICANTHEARYOULALALALASMBISNOTOPENLALALA!"
More notes: NetBIOS uses three (ok, in normal scenarios two) ports. CIFS uses
one. Easier firewall configs, at last. And of course you can kill the NetBIOS
alltogether if you play in plain W2K environment. Or get the forementioned
samba guys to make a CIFS port. Hey, the documentation is available, no
matter how much they scream.
If you are wondering what port numbers windows products in general uses for
what purposes, this is for you:
"This appendix describes Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Server and Microsoft®
Windows® 2000 Professional default port assignments and IP Protocol Numbers.
"
http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/library/resources/reskit/samplechapters/
cnfc/cnfc_por_zqyu.asp
(link in one line, please)
- PLZI
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:13:56 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:58:20 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Nik Simpson wrote:
> >>
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Nik Simpson wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > > On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:19:57 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
> >> > > >> Dos on the other hand is so spartan that it's barely usable (which is
> >> why
> >> > > > the vast majority of windows users stay away from it whenever
> >> possible)
> >> > >
> >> > > Or if we are smart and come from a UNIX background we load things like
> >> UWIN
> >> > > and have a complete UNIX command line and ksh to play with.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Nik Simpson
> >> >
> >> > It still sucks.
> >>
> >> Thankyou for such an incisive and well thought out response, it just what
> >> we've come to expect from you.
> >
> >The DOS command line sucks, because it is poorly implemented.
> >
> >In contrast, the Unix command line interfaces are works of pure genius.
>
> Can you be more specific?
>
> I will note that the raw DOS command line sucks eggs (F3 to edit
> a line??), but DOSKEY makes it more or less usable. There
> are presumably other command line editors as well, which shim
> themselves between the current keyboard handler, and the input
> system reading the keystrokes.
>
> Also, older Unix tty drives/command lines don't have:
>
> - history
> - file completion
> - double TAB file/command listing
Cshell had all of these (except maybe command listing), and
it hasn't changed since 1982.
> - arrow key editing (KSH did have VI-style editing, though).
vi editing is superior....hands don't leave the main keyboard area.
>
> And most Unix command lines in olden times may have been limited to
> single-character options prefixed with a '-'; '+' and '--'
> were added later.
That is in the commands themselves, NOT the CLI.
(Commands all process their own options, NOT the shell).
One big difference is that in Unix, the SHELL processes wildcard
characters ( *, ?, and . ) whereas in DOS, each program has to
re-invent the wildcard-matching wheel.
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random command line here
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:11:28 -0000
>Nothing. Debian GNU/Linux is good though.
This reminds me of someone's sig file :
'It said windows 95 or better on the box so I installed linux'
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:12:40 -0000
Robert Marshall wrote in message <8vh1v5$bgp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> HAHAHAHAHAH LOLOL!!!
>
>What is LOLOL???!
>
Not sure about LOLOL but LOL means 'Laughs out loud', similar to ROFL which
means 'Rolls on floor laughing'.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Which distribution do I get?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:23:02 +0000
T wrote:
>
> I have a simple qestion: what distribution of linux should I get?
> I want to design web pages, possibly host them, java programming, c++ (I want to
>learn it), etc. I know practically nothing about unix or linux, so any good sources
>of information (it's a pain in the butt to search through everything that comes up
>when you search for anything on the net) would be GREATlY appreciated! Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com
> Complaint against spamming pls. to: abuse @ InterBulletin.com
If you know practically nothing about Unix or Linux, then start by
finding out about them. Then you ought to be able to choose a distro to
suit.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another happy Linux user
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:30:34 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The OS that runs the internet, but makes it such a PITA to connect to
> it. Doesn't make any sense to me, but here is another satisfied Linux
> soul:
>
> *************************************************************************
> Path:
>
>bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!wnslaves3!wnmasters2!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.frii.net!easynews!uunet!dfw.uu.net!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Success
> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:28:32 GMT
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>
> At midnight last night, I was finally able to dial out of my box under
> Linux. What I did was:
> 1: Record what resources and IRQs Linux was assigning
> 2: In BIOS, set Onboard Port 1 to the first of these. (02f8, 3)
> Disable Onboard Port 2.
> 3: On reboot, the machine assigned a second port by itself (03e8, 4)
> 4: Reinstall Mandrake.
>
> It worked!
>
> From what I saw, Mandrake tends to want to install to these resources,
> regardless of what your BIOS is prepared to support. And if your
> machine provides 3 ports, it will assign resources to all of them,
> even
> if they conflict.
>
> Don't know whether this will help anyone or not, hope it does!
>
> The Herring
>
> PS: Thanks to those who helped me!
>
> **********************************************
>
> Yea, yea, I know, it's the machine, it's the user, it's that
> particular distribution, Linux is the kernel, it worked in 5 minutes
> for me, he should have read xxxxx amd so forth.
>
> Why is it that such simple things like dialing up to the internet
> become missions of mercy when trying to run Linsux?
>
> claire
I never had a single problem. I know the port, address, irq and hey
presto it's easy. Linux is not for the non technically aware at the
moment that's all!
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another happy Linux user
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:34:24 +0000
>
> I am excepting the earliest versions of PNP though because the first
> versions simply didn't work correctly, either under Windows or Linux.
> The difference between Windows and Linux is that Windows has solved
> all of those growing pains over the years and Linux has not. Damm
> Linux still can't even recognize the correct amount of memory
> installed.
>
hahahahahahahahaha
Windows? Solved it? So why does it take me days to get pnp hardware
working under windoze and minutes under Linux?
hahahaha
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:35:08 GMT
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Stuart Fox wrote:
> > [snip]
>
> Your attempts to make this seem important when it's not are admirable,
> but seem a little misguided. You haven't provided a single example of
> what could happen to your data in the event of a reboot.
>
It's so obvious I didn't think it was necessary.
However let's take an elementary CS textbook example.
You know, I believe, that a server is not intended only as a file
server, but as a real server, performing remote service.
Well take any activity where transactions are performed, and your server
is remotely requested to update say your bank account because you've
drawn a 1000$ check. Well, your balance is in the server, the request is
neatly queued in the same server.
If you're dealing with an NT server, the actual operation will be
delayed by an undetermined amount of time, because NT doesn't provide
record locking, but only exclusive file access, so it must complete one
operation at a time (open file, seek, write, close). The actual delay
will depend on the number of active clients.
The client receives an acknowledgment that the request has been entered
and may go on. But it will keep record of this request.
If let's say one hour later the server is still running, the client may
safely assume that the request has found his way to updating your
account and may forget about it (or better record it somewhere else, but
that's a detail).
But if it turns out that the system has been rebooted, there's no quick
way to tell if the system crashed before updating your account, or
after. The only way is to perform a check of all the transactions
requested a reasonable amount of time before the last time the system
was known to be up, checking if they have been fully recorded or not.
That way the bank is positive not to loose money, and you're safe from
having your check subtracted twice from your account.
Keep in mind that all the clients will perform the same check at the
same time, engulfing your server for a substantial amount of time.
I have described one simple situation, but however you arrange it, if a
crash occurs you will have a number of transactions which may have been
completed or not.
Well uptime counter rolling over to zero will trigger exactly that
sequence, which is highly undesirable, because it engulfs your server,
making it unavailable for useful purposes, and it is error prone,
because it uses procedures which are difficult to debug.
On the other hand, do you think it wise to ignore it? It's possible that
the server just crashes in the vicinity of the overflow of the counter,
so how can you tell a real reboot from a fake one? Will you add a manual
override? Tell all the agencies to override the crash recovery procedure
at 11:12 am of next friday? Will the server broadcast an override
message? And if it crashes just after that? Or even just because of
that? (poorly debugged procedure, because it's hard to debug) Doesn't
seem reasonable.
The only way out is to program a scheduled server reboot, so that
clients are properly put in standby, at a rate higher than the uptime
overflow.
Which means once a year for a Unix system, which may be reasonable
anyhow, for preventive maintenance purposes, and once a month for an NT
system, which is only required because of a poor implementation of the
uptime function.
For some obscure reason Winadvocates presume that people criticizing MS
are fully incompetent, and do it just for spite. But the truth is that
the vast majority of those who say that Windows is crap have a very
elementary motive: they've experienced that Windows is crap.
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Reply-To: "Patrick Raymond Hancox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Patrick Raymond Hancox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux for nitwits
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:15:40 -0800
Skip the cable connect nonsense, just do it the same way you did for Linux.
See, http://www.bovistech.com/disks.htm or http://www.bootdisk.com/
for lots of pre-built network boot disks.
Patrick
"Nutty Professor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> Have to agree with you Lynn. Until Linux is made totally "halfwitt
> >>> proof", the average Joe or Jane moron will never move to Linux.
Windows
> >>> is almost there (after seeing the latest clips of Windows Whistler),
>
> As one of those Linux nitwits, I have to disagree. I own a ThinkPad
> 701C notebook. The 701C comes with an external floppy drive and no
> CD-ROM. This means that in order to install Windows 95, I must create
> dozens of floppy disks, then spend hours inserting them into the floppy
> drive, before I get a working system. Total effort expended, about 6
> hours. With Linux and FreeBSD, I simply set up an NFS server on my
> desktop, connect my notebook to my desktop via the parallel port, boot
> from the floppy drive, and install Linux or FreeBSD over the mounted
> CD-ROM in the desktop system. Granted, it took some experimentation
> before I learned to do this, but the install is MUCH easier than
> Windows.
>
> > Debatable, for various reasons. One issue is support by a
> > reputable vendor. (I would include Cygwin, now owned by
> > RedHat, as a reputable support vendor, but I'm not sure
> > everyone would, especially since Microsoft has effectively
> > brainwashed so many.)
>
> I have to agree. I was sitting in a coffee shop and nearly choked on my
> coffee when I heard someone state quite authoritatively, "Linux, that
> runs on Microsoft." Obviously the person was ignorant about what an
> operating system is.
>
> >>#3. Linux will never be the OS for nitwits.
> >One advantage for Linux is that nitwits can't screw it up,
> >if they don't have root access. :-) I for one would
> >think that this makes it especially suited for children.
>
> I use it on my notebook to take notes in class and I am an Arts major,
> so I like to think that I am living proof that nitwits can learn
> something about Linux. {I use Windows at school, but only because the
> Unix systems are not available to Arts students}
>
> I love Linux and FreeBSD for all the free software. I cannot find
> software with the same capability under Windows for free. (Grip is a
> prime example)
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:42:24 GMT
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Stuart Fox wrote:
> > [snip]
>
> You also failed to answer my question about which particular internet
> standard you were referring to? Is it because there isn't one which
> covers this?
>
Do you believe that netcraft keeps uptime statistics sending a postcard
to netsites, asking them what's their uptime?
Or that they perform a standard Internet interrogation, which NT
supports, but just answers with unreliable data?
You're so anxious to show me wrong that you don't even stop a moment to
think.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: new site
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:43:33 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> =
> Sid Bite=B4s Underground Portal [SBUP]
> Is a gateway to the underground www. Trough SBUP you can find: serials,=
> keygens, cracks, hacking, phreaking, virii, trainers, warez, exploits,
> porn and more!
Grow up, luser!
-- =
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: "PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:25:22 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said PLZI in alt.destroy.microsoft;
> [...]
> >Can you guess by now, why I like the WSH, ASP and all those little other
> >three-letter acronymes that come with Windows platform?
>
> Because they're the only way you understand how to do things, and are
> not concerned with how crappy the OS is, otherwise? Just a guess.
Nope. I (still, I hope) can do things via JES2/JES3, FOCUS and plain vanilla
MVS console. Never got the time to really appreciate CICS, but hey, that's
for application programmers anyway. But somehow in comparison they seem just
a tad more restricted. (ok, tapeditto was nice. if you needed the 18-track
serpentine tapes edited on the 3481, that is. hmm. I miss the first true IBM
clone, the BASF S/43. I truly was a sight to behold. sniff. I want one.
Anyone? I already have SS10, G-Class 800/G30 and 700-series pizzabox, but
they are almost as bad as PC's. Blah. Damn microcomputers.)
Of course, you could go through my list, and give some real-world examples
how to do things on *nix systems, instead of whining in two sentences? Start
for example from moving the user data from Netware to your favourite *nix?
With the tools provided on the platform? And for credibility, give one or two
other examples as well? Say, file search/indexing, using those as well as in
web server and office software of your choice, and multiplatform database
server support? List the tools needed. Show me a better way, and I will
listen.
- PLZI
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