Linux-Advocacy Digest #581, Volume #30 Fri, 1 Dec 00 02:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is awful ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Whistler review. (Steve Mading)
Re: Whistler review. (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (JTK)
Re: Whistler review. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot. (Perry Pip)
Re: Whistler review. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Anybody considering Linux should read this. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Netscape review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Linux is awful (kiwiunixman)
Re: Whistler review. ("Les Mikesell")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:52:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Humble Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What cave have you been living in? This guy is a WinTroll (tm).
Don't
> you realize this is the same shit he usually posts, like Mandrake
sucks,
> etc. etc.? He only posts this shit a 1,001 times. Pull your head out
> of your ass. He's trolling, not asking for help.
I did a little bit of homework before I posted my "Hi Claire" response.
A deja-news search for "skully1900" returned only one post; the first
post in this thread, and posted to only one newsgroup, COLA. This is
very, very characteristic of Claire.
A deja-news search for "Rozzi" turned up other english speaking posters,
but their posting style, grammar, punctuation, and sentence construction
were markedly different from the post to this group. I also compared
the "skully1900" post to an archived post from Claire, and found enough
points of similaritiy that I believe strongly that "skully1900" is more
likely to be Claire than to be any of the Rozzis that I found.
Searching through AOL was inconclusive. "skully1900" doesn't have a
homepage on AOL, but I couldn't tell whether or not the e-mail address
was valid using any of AOL's search tools. Using a "throwaway" or
forged e-mail account is yet another characteristic of Claire. And AOL
provided the perfect tool to create new throwaway accounts with Sunday's
mass CD distribution in the newspapers.
If I'm wrong, I'll apologize of course.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 1 Dec 2000 05:51:32 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Simon Palko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I'm getting tired of answering this, so this will be the last time, and then
: I'm putting this entire thread in my killfile. Win32 is a HUGE API.
: MASSIVE. GIGANTIC. And really freaking bloated. It's also documented VERY
: WELL. The problem is, just because it tells you *what* a call is supposed
: to do, it doesn't tell you *how* it does it. This is the main hangup with
: WINE. It's a relatively new project, you know, and it's really a massive
: undertaking. I don't doubt that they'll continue to improve it. Hell, I've
: seen people running IE5 under WINE. That's damn impressive.
It's too bad you are killfiling this, so you won't see my response,
but it has to be said for the sake of onlookers. Let's say
for example that I made an API that contained a function called
func1(), and the API's documentation has only this to say about
func1, and nothing more:
int func1( int count, char **values, short radix );
- Returns an integer, 0 = success, all other values = failure.
- count is the number of strings in the values array.
- values is an array of string pointers similar to argv[].
- radix describes how the numbers in "values" are expressed:
for example 10 = decimal, 16 = hexidecimal, 2 = binary.
This documentation, although it mentions the function, and describes
the arguments, is still incomplete because it doesn't tell you a thing
about what this func1() is actually supposed to do with the information
being passed in. You can figure out that it's taking an array of
strings, presumably they are numbers that can be represented in any
radix the caller chooses (hex, binary, whatever), but you still have
no idea what the function is actually going to do with that data.
I would call the above example "incomplete documentation", even though
it *does* mention func1() and its paremeters. This is an extreme
example, eggagerated to demonstrate the point, but THIS is the sort of
thing the WINE people are complaining about, and that's why the phrase
"incomplete documentation" crops up. Sure, the Win32 API might
*mention* each function call, but the documentation might not be
adequete in all cases to explain what the funciton is actually meant
to do, and as such it is definately "incomplete".
Simply having documentation that visits each function call is not
enough to call it "complete".
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 1 Dec 2000 05:56:17 GMT
kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Install SuSE Linux 7, doesn't totally reboot the computer, only the
: kernel, at the end of the installation, it goes directly to the login
: screen. So, it can be done!
*blink*, *blink* - errm - rebooting the kernel requires that all
the processes quit, and then it has to restart init, and everything
under it. That *is* a total reboot of the OS. The only thing
skipped is the BIOS messages that preceed the OS boot.
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From: JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:58:30 GMT
In article <906vnd$hga$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
> |>
> |>> >> Doh. How do you get a trojan onto a unix machine?
> |>> >
> | Not without root permissions, it can't. You really don't
> | understand the unix security model, which is causing you to fully
> | misunderstand why the scenario you describe cannot happen.
>
> The unix or NT security model is irrelevant since the trojan gets the
> security access of the user running it. The solution to the problem
> is to run all code in an environment with less rights than the user.
> Neither allow this restricting of rights to be done in any practical
> manner.
>
> Java does this with applets, and potentially with any code,
Pfhht. Applets as you well know are extremely limited in their
abilities and are wholly unsuitable for anything beyond scrolling LED
marquees and Tetris clones. Even the droolingest Sun worshipper will
tell you that. "Any code" indeed.
> enabling
> Java to be used in an internet environment without suffering from
> trojans or viruses.
>
Or users, completely eliminating the root of the problem: those pesky
users.
I guess I have to give Java that one, it *does* have the security
problem solved: No users, no problem!
--
JTK, whom the Java Conspiracy spent a lot of time, money, and energy to
discover is apparently one "Gary Van Sickle", which the evidence shows
to be quite an upstanding member of the community.
Did they get their money's worth?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:11:20 GMT
"Josh McKee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >When someone shows me an MS OS that doesn't inexplicably die after a week
of
> >heavy server activity - Or an MS workstation that doesn't BSOD several
times
> >a week - Or an MS OS that doesn't need restarted everytime an application
or
> >component (other than a service release) is added or removed, I'll
consider
> >it a serious OS. Until then I and the other "idiots" won't be overly
> >impressed.
>
>
> You may wish to look at Microsofts Data Center version of Windows
> 2000. It may be the Microsoft OS that really works in the situation
> you've described.
If they know how to build a system that works, why do they keep selling
the old stuff?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:15:32 GMT
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> 1. First of all, the security rating used to "promote NT" is only for an
>> unconnect (non-networked box), hence when connected, the security is
>> instantly questionable.
>
>
> First of all you are competely wrong and this FUD is dated. NT4 has been
> evaluated and passed NETWORKED.
So Microsoft is the honest Joe company that should be a role model for
every other company...bullshit. Microsoft, master FUD (read the
halloween docs on the opensource site to get a better insite).
>
>
>> 2. From my previous post:
>>
>> educated elite (aka UNIX users and people who question Microsoft and other
>> so-called "market leaders")
>>
>> The main emphasis is on the "people who question Microsoft and other
>> so-called "market leaders" ", that includes anyone who questions the
>> underhanded tactics of Microsoft, hence, could be Mac users, Amiga Users,
>> even Windows users. Conrad yet ya fact right before releasing shyte into
>> this newsgroup.
>
>
> Question is one thing. make up lies and spreading fud is another. Refusing
> to even acknowledge the simplest and most obvious things simply because they
> are MS reminds me of Gore not realizing he's lost the election already.
How come UNIX is growing at a higher rate than NT? Why are the large
companies such as IBM, SUN and Unisys continuing to sell UNIX boxes? How
come when Work and Income New Zealand (Social Welfare) had to upgrade
there main database server they chose to go with Unisys running UNIX?
Maybe because NT still has not proven inself, thus, no
company/Government department wants to take an un-necessary risk.
>
>
>> 3. I am upgrading to either an Ultra Sparc or O2 as there is co-herancy
>> between third party vendors and the computer itself, so hence, I could be
>> viewed as a user who questions the reliability and versatility of the
>
> Intel
>
>> platform.
>
>
> Oh, you me proprietary hardware and outrageous prices eh? I thought we
> outgrew this long ago? Funny enough I see smart people running away from
> hardware/software bundled by vendors designed strictly to increase their
> profit margins.
Now, how many times have you found that you have chosen to put together your
computer and find that the graphics card doesn't work with that
particular motherboard. When I am down the road I see people run out in
droves getting the cheapest computer they can find, and claimed they got
a great deal, then a couple of months down the track, the cheap
components start to fail. Just as a small point, the O2 I am getting is
a refunished one for $US1595 (128MB RAM, 4 GIG HDD, 64bit RM5000 MIPS
Processor and a 17" Screen), around the same price as a medium range
Dell machine. Also, the cost of IRIX is around $US800, which include
incrimental upgrades for free, ie upgrade from 6.5.1 to 6.5.4., so the
cost is pretty much the same as a normal PeeCee.
kiwiunixman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot.
Date: 1 Dec 2000 06:16:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:32:06 +0000,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Perry Pip open his mouth and uttered forth a pile of drivel:
>
>[snip]
>
>Hit a nerve did I?
Oh yes....the humor nerve. By your own admission you've got more than
100 times more experience with Windows than you have with Linux. Yet
every time you have the slghtest difficulty with Linux you post here
whining like a baby and tell us "linux lags behind windows". The
joke's on you.
>
>When someone dare's to challenge
Challenge??
>the Linux advocates here,
As a "Linux advocate" I have desk at work with a Win98 machine. I
don't bitch about it, I work with it. In our avionics lab I do VxWorks
cross development on a NT4 machine. I also do simulation development
on an IRIX machine. At home, I use Linux and W2K. And recently, I just
finished some University research that was done on Solaris. What I've
learned from all the crap I use is that people tend to like what they
get used to. And when someone get's narrow minded about that, they
close themselves to new horizons. You are obviously too stuck on
Windows to objectively compare it to anything else.
>down into the
>muck they go! Out come the insults! YEEHAA!!
>
You get insults because you whine like a baby. Stop whining, and
people will stop insulting you.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:18:06 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:906ptt$67gn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >
> > >>
> > >> What's the shell?
> > >
> > >What do you mean here?
> > >
> > If we have no dos command processor, then what is the shell?
>
> You've a dos command processor. As they would in nt/2000
> Exactly what do you mean by asking what's the shell.
A shell is the thing that accepts typed, redirected, and piped commands
identically, parses it's input, performs variable expansion, command
substitution, wild-card filename expansion, i/o redirection and
process control. And it has some internal loop, test, and branch
operators too.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:22:48 GMT
"B. P. Uecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote in <bJ5U5.201$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >IMHO, they ignore Netware because it routinely kicked NT's ass in the
file
> >serving department for years. NT couldn't even come close where stability
> >and uptime were concerned. Netware was always more responsive, too.
>
> Stability? Netware? Ha ha ha!!!
Yes. Netware...Stable.
Particularly in comparison to NT4 Server in a file serving environment.
That last shop I worked at utilized a Novell server that was never rebooted
during my entire time there. (1 year). It held service records and related
documents as well as software archives and was used heavily. It also served
a Color LaserJet printer.
--
Tom Wilson
A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anybody considering Linux should read this.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:24:11 +1300
Just had a quick look, and yes, very good advice, unfortatunately you
will always have people complaining about OS X or Y, it's human nature
to complain.
kiwiunixman
tom wrote:
> I recently came across a nice introduction to Linux at About.com ; it
> talks about what Linux is, and what it isn't. I think this should be
> required reading for anybody thinking about trying Linux. At the very
> least, it would cut down on all the people complaining because Linux
> isn't like Windows:
>
> http://linux.about.com/library/weekly/aa071698.htm
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:26:05 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:31:10 GMT, Chad C. Mulligan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Then a copy cat comes along and creates a similar
> >application, it is my responsibility to make sure he can read my files.
>
> Only...they aren't your files. They are your customer's files.
>
Half rabbit. s/my files/my file formats/
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:27:04 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:z7tV5.30799$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Windows has varying levels of file locking that you can set when you
> open a file. This varies from open it, no lock to open it don't
> allow anyone else to even READ it.
>
> An example of this would be that most apps open their log files
> in the least obtrusive way, whereas NT opens it's pagefile with the
> most restrictive locks so that you can't even read it while NT has
> it open.
>
> I guess it all depends on what type of app you're using and how
> critical the file that app is opening to the app.
>
> -Chad
The situation is a shared drive where one machine is dumping requests
into files in one directory and reading back the results from a
corresponding
output file in a parallel directory. Another machine is reading the
requests and writing the output. I'd like to be able to have many machines
sharing the processing because the program doing the work crashes
occasionally, but when I try that I often see duplicate output where the
first processor has completed the job, unlocks the file, then deletes
it (because the delete fails if it still holds the lock), but another
program
makes it's own lock in the window between the unlock and delete and
repeats the processing.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:27:18 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9OGV5.27490$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:O3EV5.24844$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > So you are saying that if I write an application that creates a file of
an
> > efficient format for my application. The market likes my application
and
> a
> > majority buy it. Then a copy cat comes along and creates a similar
> > application, it is my responsibility to make sure he can read my files.
> >
> > Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
>
> If you were the largest power supplier, would you be able to pick an
> arbitrary voltage to feed so you could be the only source of appliances
> too? Or if you were the largest railroad, could you change the width
> of the tracks so no one else's equipment would work there?
>
Of course if I'm the power user I could ask them the voltage and frequency
and buitd a transformer/bridge to adjust their feeds to my needs.
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:30:13 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:QIGV5.27486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:R0EV5.24843$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > About the documents, I can read documents made in office 97 or 2000
> with
> > > > Word 6.
> > > > File > Save As > Word 6.0
> > > > No problems there.
> > >
> > > How do you do that when you only have word 6.0 and an office 97
> document?
> > > And please don't tell me about the conversion program that was
released
> > > much later.
> > >
> >
> > OK Les, Please explain to all of us how to write in version x of any
> > program support for features in version of x+2 of that same program.
Are
> > you psychic or psychotic?
>
> This should only be a concern if you actually used a feature that the
> prior version(s) could not handle. What actually happens is that even
> a blank document using no features can't be loaded by the previous
> version. Are the MS programmers incapable of designing a scheme
> where new, thus unknown, attributes can be ignored? That sounds
> pretty simple and obvious to me.
>
Huh? The quote BLANK FILE is still built to support all the current
versions features and the old version still hadn't the prescience to be able
to read those attributes. If that is so simple how come WPCorp never could
do that either. IAC, the market was always driven by new versions
supporting old formats not the ludicrous complaint that older versions
should support newer file types.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:31:29 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:QqEV5.24856$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > >Just exactly how many WEEKS would it take to install 1500 apps on a
> windows box?
> > >
> > Exactly why my company uses pre-made images on CD. Problem now is that
> > Microsoft want paying twice. One for the OEM version, then once
> > for the CD.
> >
>
> Not even close. Read the License, you are allowed to make backups, that's
> all images are.
>
Microsoft has been insisting that you can't run that copy unless you pay the
license fee for it. This made the trade rags a while ago - I'm not sure
how it has been worked out since, but this is exactly the situation
described.
They claimed that buying an OEM copy with the machine did not give
you a license to replace it with your stock in-house image even of
exactly the same version of windows.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:32:39 GMT
"spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> > > > Netscape is a multi platform product.
> > >
> > > So is Mozilla and Opera.
> > >
> >
> > So is Internet Explorer.
>
> Please don't insult the Mac people.....I doubt they're thrilled with IE.
>
> And the HP-UX version of IE is so dysfunctional it doesn't count as a
working
> browser on that platform.
>
There is a Solaris/Sparc version as well. My brief experience with it was
much more fulfilling than any torture inflicted by nutscrape.
> > > > Whistler is a direct competition to both Mac & Linux.
> > >
> > > How is Whistler direct competition to Linux? Linux won't be going
> > bankrupt if
> > > people buy Whistler. There will always be someone using Linux
somewhere
> > > because they can!
> > >
> >
> > Only the people buying Linux will be going bankrupt.
>
> You're confused. It's the people buying Whistler that will eventually go
> bankrupt. Something about annual fees and high cost of upgrades (Twice a
> year).
>
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:34:11 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <jkFU5.434$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >
> >"Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:saCU5.31$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:8vulpn$5pbkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > There isn't, nor ever was, DOS in NT line.
> >> > You are thinking 9x line.
> >> > A very common mistake with linadvocates, it seems.
> >>
> >> That's right, NT came off OS/2 LAN Manager, IIRC.
> >>
> >
> >Actually the history was IBM contracted MS to write Lan Manager. Later
MS
> >Sold LM as an OEM network product. When IBM contracted MS to write OS/2
Lan
> >Manager was incorporated. Then MS and IBM split. LM became NTLM (a
> >substantially improved LM) incorporated into NT, OS/2 died from lack of
> >support.
>
> That last phrase reads to me as monopoly practise, no matter how
> many times I try.
How is IBM's stupidity in marketing and development in any way related to
MS?
>
> Mark
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:35:01 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903r8i$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vulpl$5pbkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > When did you last used MS OS?
> >> >>
> >> >> Today at Work......Win2K. Performs like garbage compared to the Sun
> >> >system
> >> >> in the next cubicle. Performs like garbage compared to my Linux
> >laptop.
> >> >
> >> >How is it set up?
> >> >On what hardware?
> >> >What is it doing?
> >> >
> >> >I'm not seeking answers to this question, btw.
> >> >I'm showing that there is a lot more to how well the OS perform than
the
> >OS
> >> >itself.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ah, a question that's not a question. So glad you could clarify,
> >> otherwise we might have thought that you *really* wanted to know
> >> what's wrong with NT5/Win2k
> >
> >It's calls a rethoric question.
> >
> >I've done phone support before, email support is even worse, because you
> >don't get real-time feedback.
> >I'm not going to try and provide you with support you could get if you
would
> >find a non - advocacy group about windows.
> >news://microsoft.public.win2000.general is a good place to start asking
> >questions.
> >
> >
> >
> Whereas you think that cola is a good place to *not* ask questions?
Not if you want accurate answers.
>
> Mark
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:39:07 GMT
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:1SrV5.102$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:905e4n$npr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
<trimmed>
>
> If you want to have fun with an old DOS game, find the original IBM-PC
port
> of Centipede and play it on a modern machine. It's hillarious!
>
LOL. Tried that with an old 286 version of PacMan on a 486DX50 once what a
hoot.
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Go home Al....
> Game over, man!
>
>
>
>
>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:39:49 +1300
I always feel sorry for the underdog in any industry, it's like the
small telco taking on the big telco. Its human nature to support the
little guy.
kiwiunixman
JDP wrote:
> you must realy like Airbus:)
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:39:48 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:906rnp$6g3g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> You shouldn't.
> FWIW, I've found this on MS site:
> http://www.microsoft.com/Windows2000/news/external/Gigareliable.asp
>
> They are *proud* of this!
> I mean, I know it's mainly for PR, but they are actually proud of this.
>
> Lucky for me and Les Mikesell to belong to the happy 26%
But, the win2k boxes have been rebooted for sp1 already and even
without that they still can't match this busy Linux server:
$ uptime
12:36am up 379 days, 5:57, 3 users, load average: 1.60, 1.80, 1.47
Les Mikesell
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