Linux-Advocacy Digest #808, Volume #30 Mon, 11 Dec 00 10:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("MH")
Re: Segmentation fault (core dumped) (Andres Soolo)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Chad Myers")
Free linux account? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ("Chad Myers")
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ("Chad Myers")
Re: Uptimes ("Chad Myers")
Re: Uptimes ("Chad Myers")
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux (Ian Davey)
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) (Pan)
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) (Pan)
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) (Pan)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Uptimes (sfcybear)
The real power of Linux (cry Winbabies cry!) (Terry Porter)
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:46:20 -0500
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:43:13 GMT,
> Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ah yes, calling everyone who doesn't have all their free time to
reprogram
> >themselves to use their computers "dipshits".
> >
> >I don't even want to think about what you people would be like if you had
to
> >(GASP) interact with HUMANS on a daily basis.
> >
>
> I do, I am, and your a dipshit.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Charlie
Your -- I hope you like your new joy rag.
You're -- You're (you are) pulling the monkey again, aren't you?
Contractions. Novel concept. Look into it.
Hope this helps.
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
Date: 11 Dec 2000 13:40:08 GMT
kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you tried compiling it as an ELF binary? a.out is a really old type
> of binary.
I'd guess it was his filename, not binary type.
It's customary even nowadays to call the compiler's output a.out even
though it's actually an ELF binary. (Well, it IS an Assembler OUTput.)
>> received this message:
>> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>> Everything compiled okay. This happened as a result of a.out
Your program apparently has a bug somewhere and tries to read or write
memory area which it isn't allowed to.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Q: How do you save a drowning lawyer?
A: Throw him a rock.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:34:29 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sat, 09 Dec 2000 14:00:19 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Russ Lyttle wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >>
> >> All this "unintuitive" behavior of power switches is causing a major
> >> problem in California. The issue of all these devices still drawing
> >> power is keeping a load on the system that it wasn't designed to handle.
> >> That coupled with lack of new power generation in California is putting
> >> a strain on the system now, promising a major breakdown in the near
> >> future. Relying to much on intuition and not enough on reason is going
> >> to get a lot of people killed.
> >
> >Actually, the REAL problem is that the ECO-NUTS in California shut
> >down practically every fission power project that came down the pike
> >in the 1970's.
> >
> >If those plants had been built, a lot of oil-fired and coal-fired
> >plants would have been taken off-line a long time ago AND Cali.
> >would STILL have surplus capacity.
>
> Indeed; there is radioactivity in coal. I forget how much coal
> would have to be burned to equal the radioactivity in a pound of solid
> nuclear waste, but one important issue is that the radioactivity
> in coal, if not scrubbed out, can be spewed into the air along with
> the usual sulphur dioxide (SO2 + H2O = H2SO4, sulphuric acid, not exactly
> something I'd want to breathe, thank you), carbon dioxide (harmless
> except for "global warming", which is a problem), and heat. (I'm not
> sure where the radioactivity comes from; if it's C-14, there's not much
> we can do about it.)
There are strong EPA restrictions on the amount of Sulphur that can
be released when turning coal into coke ash (which is used in steal
making), or refining coal for burning in power plants.
This level is almost zero.
I worked for a company that contracted with a coke ash plant on
the Monongahela in Pittsburgh for U.S. Steel. They had improvised
and built a chemical containment operation that caputured all the
noxious chemicals and refined them into various chemicals (sulphur,
sulphuric acid, etc) for sale to chemistry labs, high schools,
and other chemistry buyers around the world. They actually made
themselves profitable on what would normally be a huge drain to
their revenue to capture and dispose of the exhaust from making
coke ash.
Unfortunately, there's a type of low-sulphur coal which makes
these exhaust capturing devices almost unecessary. However, this
coal only exists in three places in the world (mainly two), Utah, U.S.,
Southern China, and South Africa. The Lippo Group in China (corporate
arm of the Red Chinese Gov.) controls all the Chinese mining operations
and charges exhorbitant rates for it. The Lippo Group also donated
heavy sums to the 1992 and 1996 Clinton election campaigns (well, DNC
actually, but it was all funneled to him) and, not suprisingly,
Clinton declared a federal park out in the middle of the desert in
Utah. It just so happened to be right over one of the richest deposits
of this special coal. The coal veins in S.A. are too small and disperate
to waste the money mining.
> Of course, if it is scrubbed out, someone's gotta change the filters
> occasionally. But one advantage of nuclear waste, AFAIK, is that
> it's solid. A highly radioactive and dangerous solid, to be sure
> (for many many millennia) but solid nevertheless; solids are a
> little easier to manage, especially if encased in glass and buried
> somewhere in salt with a "DO NOT TOUCH UNDER PENALTY OF RADIOACTIVE DEATH"
> sign on the door -- one hopes our progeny can read English.
>
> One also wonders about the helium in toy baloons; helium is an
> alpha particle with a couple of electrons. Now where did that
> helium come from? (It's not dangerous, of course -- but there's
> also radon gas. Presumably, the two are initially intermixed,
> although radon is a lot heavier.) [*]
Pure helim isn't radioactive in the sense that it emits gamma rays,
but it will certainly remove all the oxygen from your lungs and
suffocate you =)
Radon, however, is radioactive, but you knew that.
> One big problem the nuclear program has is credibility -- and I'm not
> sure if that's because of Three Mile Island (Chernobyl didn't help
> either!), or what; the public is also apparently terrified of irradiated
> food, despite the increased safety thereof from a bacteriological point
> of view (quick, which is more dangerous, irradiated beef or beef
> contaminated by E. coli or salmonella?). This is arguably stupid, but
> it's going to take awhile to wash the metaphorical stain out. Certainly
> there are dangers -- but there are dangers to driving a car, too.
> We still do it.
As much as great nuclear facilities are, the nuclear waste problem in
the U.S. alone is staggering. Coal power plants are becoming cleaner
every year and producing more power. We should build a few more around
the country to hold us off until the Tokomak comes online in 5-10
years and provides the entire world with enough electricity for decades.
Trust me, I'm no environmentalist or tree hugger, but I'm practical.
Plutonium 239 has a half-life of 24,000 years or so. The only practical
disposal is into outer space or embedded deep in geologically stable
shelf rock far below underground water run off systems in a remote
part of the desert. Even as practical as these sounds, there are only
a few places in the world this can be accomplished, and with the shear
amount of nuclear waste in this world, ejecting into space is rather
costly. Nuclear fission is inferior, costly, and dirty. Fusion power
is probably 5-10 years away from being usable, I think we can make
due until then.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Free linux account?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:40:10 GMT
Hello,
I have heard that there are places that you can go and get an
account to use linux via VNC or citrix or something like that. Is this
correct? Where is it ?
Thnx in advance.
Jeff
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:40:16 GMT
"JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90ueqe$2e45d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >Not exactly. The growrate (of Linux-users) is very hard to measure, since
> > >it is a free operating-system and freely downloadable. There aren't any
> > >registration-obligatories or alike (cfr Microsoft) so placing a number on
> > >the growth is impossible. People can only _guess_ how many users there
> > >are, and a _guess_ is always unreliable.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Add to that multiple installations from same CD - for example if a company
> > sets up 30 dual-boot Win2k & Linux systems that is 30 copies of win2k sold
> > and 1 copy of linux installed on 30 machines which if you only count sales
> > makes win2k appear to be 30 times as popular in this company even if these
> > machines spend most of their time booted into linux.
>
> Take a look at server logs from non-os specific websites. Especially logs
> which compile huge numbers of seperate individual websites into one
> database. You'll find that the Linux (*internet surfing) desktop share is
> about .003120.
> MS.* is about .9375222 as of October out of 554,519,878 samples.
> read/weep
> http://www.thecounter.com/stats/
It's actually:
read | weep > tissue
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:44:19 GMT
"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:911ift$pqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:40:41 -0500, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
> :> > You'll find that the Linux (*internet surfing) desktop share is about
> :> > .003120. MS.* is about .9375222 as of October out of 554,519,878
> :> > samples. read/weep http://www.thecounter.com/stats/
> :>
> :> Why you think this is a good thing is what escapes a lot of us. I can't
> :> imagine it being a good thing to have one company control 93% of anything.
>
> : Good thing or bad is a whole separate argument. I would have to say the good
> : has outweighed the bad.
> : You've got 93% using one standard. Standards work, that's why you see
> : standards adopted. What pisses me off is the lying. Linux has a market share
> : a hell of a lot closer to 3 in 1000. Not the 1-3 in 100 that I often see
> : quoted.
>
>
> Standards have to be agreed upon by more than one entity, or else they
> aren't standards.
>
> When you consider that most Windows boxes are used largely if not
> exclusively to access the Unix/Linux-based Internet, I'd put the
> marketshare of Unix and Linux at closer to 100%, not 1-3%. Windows
> may be controlling the dumb terminal, but the actual work is being
> done by real machines running real operating systems.
You know, it's odd you say that. Unix is used in primarily static
situations where merely brute text manipulation is required. Serving
DNS, NNTP, static web pages, FTP, MAIL, etc. All relatively simple
tasks as it's just read in some text, write a file or send another
message over a socket then start it all over again. Not much
statistical anlysis or other heavy duty work.
When it comes to dynamic page generation, business logic and ecommerce
and other "actual work", it's mostly Windows servers doing the heavy
stuff. They just send the simple stuff to the Unix boxes because they
aren't too bright.
It's kinda like a huge brute and an accountant or statistician or
other intelligent job. Unix (the brute) just moves things around but
isn't too bright. Windows, OTOH, does most of the real work and calculations
and drives most of what's out there.
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:49:17 GMT
It's also important to note that Microsoft is not the
only one that does this. This is standard practice for
several companies.
Sun Solaris has varying levels of support and licensing
for their O.S. They have "Solaris Workstation" and "Server"
similar to NT which are licensed differently and probably
tweaked/configured differently.
I also understand that AIX is sold in varying levels as
well, but I may have heard incorrectly.
Anti-MS people often attempt to demonize MS for this, when
many Unix providers do the same exact thing.
-Chad
"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9116g3$261k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Thanks for the answer.
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:wcUY5.4210$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > They are the same, yes, but configured and licensed differently.
> >
> > Lots of software will check to see if it's running on a server or
> > workstation. If it's a personal copy of the product, they often won't let
> > you run it on a server version of the product. They want per user
> licenses.
> >
> > Server tunes certain parameters differently (such as time-slice quantums
> are
> > larger in server) and MS claims there are literally thousands of minor
> > configuration changes between them.
> >
> > "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:910mgi$1r48$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > This does beg the question, though. What exactly is the difference
> > between
> > > Server and Workstation? If, for all intents and purposes, they're the
> > same
> > > when developing software what is the difference when running software?
> > I've
> > > never gotten a satisfactory response on this other than then price and
> > some
> > > registry entries are different.
> > >
> > > Perhaps you can shed some light?
> > >
> > > "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:GtQY5.23244$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:910h4k$1na5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > PWS can also mean Personal Web Server, which is what is available
> > for
> > > > > Win9x.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed, I was merely clarifying what I meant. I say PWS meaning any
> > non
> > > > > true IIS version which includes Personal Web Server and Peer Web
> > > Services.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That would be inaccurate as Peer Web Services are far more capable
> than
> > > the
> > > > poor httpd that is personal web server. The Peer Web Services
> > incarnation
> > > > of IIS includes almost all of the functionality of IIS including MTS.
> > The
> > > > only missing parts are Certificate Services and some of the more
> > esoteric
> > > > network configuration options.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:52:20 GMT
"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9116be$260k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Actually, I was referring to W2K itself. What exactly are the differences.
> It's off topic, but what thread in any advocacy group has ever remained on
> topic.
Yes, how true =)
As to your Win2K question:
1.)Do you mean what's the difference between Win2K Pro and Win2K Server or AS?
2.)Or do you mean what's the difference between PWS on Win2K Pro and IIS on
Win2K
Server?
Answers:
1.) I think I answered this in another thread about NT WKST and NT server. If
you need me to repost it, I'd be happy to.
2.) Pretty much the same difference(s) as PWS on NT WKST and IIS on NT Server.
-Chad
>
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:RGUY5.13765$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:910ma5$1r0s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > But in response to your query:
> > >
> > > >> Which server can't you run?
> > > >> Oracle maybe, but SQL server and IIS are both available on
> workstation
> > > and
> > > >> can be used to prototype.
> > >
> > > We agree that the version of IIS on Worksation is not the same as that
> on
> > > Server. Usable, perhaps, but not the same.
> >
> > Hmm, the only difference I can find is that you cannot create multiple
> > sites with personal web server. Other than that, everything else is the
> > same.
> >
> > -Chad
> >
> > >
> > > "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:GtQY5.23244$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:910h4k$1na5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > PWS can also mean Personal Web Server, which is what is available
> for
> > > > > Win9x.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed, I was merely clarifying what I meant. I say PWS meaning any
> non
> > > > > true IIS version which includes Personal Web Server and Peer Web
> > > Services.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That would be inaccurate as Peer Web Services are far more capable
> than
> > > the
> > > > poor httpd that is personal web server. The Peer Web Services
> incarnation
> > > > of IIS includes almost all of the functionality of IIS including MTS.
> The
> > > > only missing parts are Certificate Services and some of the more
> esoteric
> > > > network configuration options.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:38:37 GMT
>Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why do addresses like this always have a dodgy deja history attached to them?
It can be very, err... enlightening. The moral of the story is, don't ever
post under your own name/sig whilst using an anonymous address ;-)
ian.
\ /
(@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
/(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
| |
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:42:40 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers wrote:
> You know, it's odd you say that. Unix is used in primarily static
> situations where merely brute text manipulation is required. Serving
> DNS, NNTP, static web pages, FTP, MAIL, etc. All relatively simple
> tasks as it's just read in some text, write a file or send another
> message over a socket then start it all over again. Not much
> statistical anlysis or other heavy duty work.
lol... I guess someone should tell it to the nih ( see biowulf.nih.gov )
or nasa ( http://newton.gsfc.nasa.gov/thehive/ ).
> When it comes to dynamic page generation, business logic and ecommerce
> and other "actual work", it's mostly Windows servers doing the heavy
> stuff.
FUD. Most commerce servers run *nix. Most DB servers run *nix. Anyone
with a clue who wants to do "heavy" work avoids windows like the plague.
> They just send the simple stuff to the Unix boxes because they
> aren't too bright.
No Chad, you aren't too bright.
> It's kinda like a huge brute and an accountant or statistician or
> other intelligent job. Unix (the brute)
Unix is all three. Windows is useful if the people in your employ are
trained monkeys who can't build their own vertical applications for
business and need bill to hold their hand for them and toss them
applications in nice little shrink-wrapped packages.
> Windows, OTOH, does most of the real work and calculations
> and drives most of what's out there.
You're kidding yourself. Typical of a softie apologist. Play follow
the leader as the #1 follower and when the game is over say that you
were *really* the leader the whole time.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:44:24 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JS/PL wrote:
> > We should get rid of GM, Ford, Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Audi,
> > Porsche, Mercedes, Volvo, Datsun, and make everybody drive AMC Pacers.
>
> Pacers are only similar to Linux in one respect:
> Market Share
True enough, but in terms of all other aspects, quality, power,
reliability, they are a virtual twin of WinDOS.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:46:07 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> It's actually:
> read | weep > tissue
>
> -Chad
Any guesses as to what your ISP's NNTP service is running on? lol.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:57:11 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It depends which side of Texas you live in. If the central/west
> > > > side, then having a low-volume toilet sounds like a good thing
> > > > to me, something that any sensible person would go along with
> > > > to help the rest of the community.
> > >
> > > But that should be a PERSONAL CHOICE.
> > >
> > > If you think your water bills are too high, then replace your
> > > toilet and reduce consumption.
> > >
> > > Conversely, if you notice that you're flushing 3x and therefore
> > > using MORE water, then you should have the option of going back.
> >
> > No, you should stop eating so much and generating such large
> > massives that your toilet can't handle it.
>
> Ah yes. Typical Liberal: telling me how to live my life.
> I wouldn't be suprised if you voted for Algore.
it's interesting how both conservative and liberals just want to tell
you how to live your life. some of the things they want are
different, but they still want to control your life. the
conservatives want business to take your money, the liberal want
government to take you money. sometimes the more things are
different, the more they are the same.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:53:02 GMT
In article <9122u5$q31$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9119oe$847$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <C9UY5.4194$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:910m0d$p59$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > 2 different methods, both show W2K unstable:
> > > >
> > > > www.netcraft.com
> > > > www.uptimes.net
> > > >
> > > > Eric thinks he knows how the Netcraft numbers are retrieved.
> > >
> > > Yes, I believe I do. And the data is completely unreliable unless
you
> > know
> > > for certain that the machine is connected directly to the net
without
> > any
> > > kind of firewall or filtering router.
> >
> >
> > Prove it! Unless you can prove that, you have proven nothing. Of
course
> > if you read the FAQ's Netcraft explains EXACTLY what happens for
each
> > case you mention above. None of which makes the data completely
> > unreliable. You just can not be sure of what machine is returning
the
> > data!
>
> Point me to the place where I can read "EXACTLY" how they fetch my
uptime
> from the web.
Find it your self. At least Eric is smart enough to do that! You? Hint:
This is a reason given by netcraft for not being able to get an uptime:
The site has changed the default configuration of their TCP/IP stack,
perhaps for performance reasons, or have an unusual LAN environment.
Ask, Why would changing the default configuration of their TCP/IP stack
make a difference?
Hint two:
It has NOTHING TO DO WITH HTML HEADERS as I have claimed over and over!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: The real power of Linux (cry Winbabies cry!)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 11 Dec 2000 15:03:29 GMT
I'm a self employed electronics person, who uses Linux
exclusively to design electronic equipment, mostly micro
processor controlled, and to do that, I use the wide range
of applications available that run under Linux.
Could I do this under Windows, ..for sure, tho it would cost
a lot more, and offer little, if not less for the extra money.
Last Tuesday Dec5, I d/l a nice looking app called 'gentry', which
I had just seen on http://www.freshmeat.net. Gentry is a X GUI, used
to enter data into MySql. It compiled and ran just fine on my Linux box,
and I emailed the author thanking him for making it available.
The last line of my email ended thusly :-
> PS the time entry requires the quotes to be entered as in
> '11:45' whereas date and var fields dont, is this a feature ;-)?
I sent the email at 4:42am. At 3:57pm the same day, the author of gentry
, Ed Davidson sent me a patch, with the fix for that little bug. I applied
the patch, recompiled and hey presto the time field required no quotes to
be entered :)
Was this magic, money or was it because I'm famous for harassing
"Steve/Heather/Keys88/Claire_lynn/Amy/Swango/Swangoremovemee" on COLA ???
Nope it was because this is Linux, and the software is Free Software.
No prepaid maintenance, no endless muzac while I'm told 'your call is in
the cue, cause our three stressed out help desk staff are busy"
, nope none of that!
Just a reply and FIX, the same day, from a total stranger who will never
be paid $$ by me, to fix a problem with his software, that he gave me
for free, in the first place.
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Kind Regards
Terry
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