Linux-Advocacy Digest #834, Volume #30 Wed, 13 Dec 00 01:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Santa Warlord")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor) (Marty)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Santa Warlord")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor) (Marty)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) (Arthur Frain)
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (kiwiunixman)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:49:22 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:vBnZ5.1504$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Les Mikesell writes:
>
> >>> Not true. What if you want to look for something ("Please find the
> >>> word "goose" in this document")?
>
> >> You don't use hjkl.
>
> > You do if you want to move the screen a line one way or the other
> > after finding the match.
>
> You can do that with control-U (for up) and control-D (for down), which
> actually have mnemonics.
What's mnemonic about control? If something were really
intuitive, you wouldn't need a mnemonic anyway. Besides,
those don't do the same thing.
> >>> Do that in traditional 'more' and you still have to scan
> >>> the page with your eyes once it comes up.
>
> >> Finding an occurrence of a string is a rather different matter from
> >> simply viewing a document. The latter was what he brought up.
>
> > No it isn't.
>
> Balderdash. I suggest you review the thread.
I read it. Giving commands to a document viewer is exactly the
same as giving commands to an editor.
> > I almost always search for something when I view a document.
>
> What you almost always do is irrelevant.
That's pretty funny in the context of you trying to tell everyone
else what is intuitive.
> Viewing a document is
> what was brought up, not searching a document. By the way, you
> can search a document with grep.
The features you need when viewing a document are very much
the same as when you edit a document unless you never look
at what you are doing. That is the point and the reason it was
brought up, and if the commands to execute those features are
identical, then one of the programs will be intuitive to use.
> > Being able to do it the same way in the viewer as in an editor
> > makes the one you learned second intuitive.
>
> Only if you know beforehand that the two operate the same way.
That would be a good reason for chosing it, wouldn't it?
> >> To someone who hasn't used it before. Who else? Intuition
> >> doesn't apply to something that someone already knows.
>
> > Of course it does.
>
> I suggest you learn the definition of intuition. Knowing how to
> brush your teeth in the morning because you've been doing it for
> years doesn't mean it's now intuitive.
The common usage means 'without reasoning', but there is nothing
about it that rules out remembering something already learned.
> > How can someone that doesn't know anything at all use a computer?
>
> By reading the manual. That doesn't involve intuition; it involves
> learning.
So you agree that nothing about a computer is intuitive until you
have learned something?
> >> You have a peculiar notion of intuition. Needing to know a bunch
> >> of things suddenly makes something intuitive.
>
> > Being able to re-use the same thing you already know in
> > another context makes the subsequent one intuitive.
>
> How many previous editors use hjkl for cursor movement like vi?
It may have been the first - it was most likely the first screen editor
designed to be used on a variety of terminals with no dedicated
cursor motion keys in common, and many not having them at all.
> > Vi lets you re-use almost everything you learn in many different
> > ways.
>
> I learned to use Alt-C to mark a block column; vi doesn't let me
> re-use that. I learned to use Alt-W to write a buffer to disk;
> vi doesn't let me re-use that. I learned to use Alt-X to exit
> the editor; vi doesn't let me re-use that.
Alt? What's an Alt? What was an Alt in 1976? There is a notion
of time that relates to the ability to re-use something.
> I learned to use the
> Home key to go to the top of the screen; vi doesn't let me re-use
> that. Need I go on?
Home? What terminal had a home key? What did that mean?
> >>> If you stick '$' in where a character or character mover could go -
> >>> it means eoln, if you stick it where a line number could go - it
> >>> means last line. It's 100% consistent.
>
> >> You mean the $ never means the dollar sign?
>
> > Not in the range/motion part of a command.
>
> So in other parts, it could be inconsistent.
No, it is consistent with the context where it is used and
never ambiguous.
> >>> In the statement :1,$...something... the '$' is being used in the
> >>> place of a line number.
>
> >> Thus the symbol is overloaded, and not consistent.
>
> > But the meanings have something in common so it is consistent.
> > Note how our use of consistent is overloaded and not consistent.
>
> Not consistent with one another. Your use could be erroneous.
Your choice of command could be erroneous, but the meaning
of $ is not ambiguous to the command you use.
> > We do this all the time and find it easier than remembering a
> > different symbol for every nuance of meaning.
>
> But you need to remember a different meaning.
You need to remember the meaning in any case, 1 symbol or 2, but
with 2 symbols you also have to remember the other symbol.
> >>>> Is 4dk a special case?
>
> >>> It fits the generic pattern: {number}{command}{movement}
>
> >> I see you missed my point.
>
> > I did as well.
>
> Glad you agree.
With what?
> > What point? It re-uses the same information you learned for
> > every other vi command.
>
> The key words here are "you learned".
Yes, you don't have to reason or look it up. You re-use the previous
learning,
making the process intuitive.
> > Backslash is the 'high level' escape actually seen by application
> > level input and a backslash preceding the end-of-line typically
> > means the app should ignore the line end and consider the next
> > line a continuation.
>
> That there might be different levels of escape is also not intuitive.
It was to me, but I guess you want to dictate what people are not
supposed to know. It is irrelevant anyway - there will be one
first time for every case.
> > The control-V is normally the 'lnext' character in the tty input
> > subsystem below application level.
>
> The average user isn't going to know about tty input subsystems.
I did. It is no more obscure than knowing the name of msconfig.
> > For example you can input a literal control-C or control-Z
> > into an application through the keyboard by preceding with
> > the control-V, even though they would normally generate
> > a signal at the OS level.
>
> The average user isn't going to know about signals at the OS level.
Unix users do, because it is a practical thing to know about. For
example using control-Z for job control to put things in the
background and yank them back for keyboard control without needing
extra windows is very handy.
> > Vi is actually doing raw input and is in control of this escape
> > mechanism so it doesn't have to match the OS 'lnext' character,
> > but since the function is exactly the same, this is yet another
> > place vi does the intuitive thing and re-uses what you know in
> > another context.
>
> You're presupposing knowledge of tty input subsystems and OS signals.
Or, that it will be the first time you encounter the concept and hence
you should learn the thing that will make the next encounter intuitive.
> >> Do you consider yourself a UNIX novice?
>
> > Why would that matter?
>
> Intuition doesn't apply to people who already have experience.
On the contrary - it applies to re-using experience without having
to reason.
> > A novice has less chance to re-use knowledge in intuitive ways.
>
> A novice has a greater chance to rely on intuition.
If you mean in the sense of being unscientific and probably wrong
I might agree.
> >> And do you consider the mnemonic intuitive?
>
> > Mnemonics are usually made up after the fact, but they are
> > as intuitive as anything else.
>
> Are you suggesting that control-U and control-D were chosen before
> the "up" and "down" mnemonics were made up?
Maybe, but mnemonics involve reasoning and are thus not related
to intuition by definition.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:58:00 +1300
I try to be optimistic, however, the dickhead swango who can't even
config, his computer puts real doubts about humanities ability to RTFM!
kiwiunixman
UnixGeek wrote:
> You guys are asking this guy to (a) know a programming language and
> (b) know his hardware or (c) Know how to read
>
> you may be asking a bit much from a wintroll.
>
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It like mentioning "competition" in a MSDN newsgroup, or wether C#
>
> (or d
>
>> flat) is going to work on other platforms.
>>
>> kiwiunixman
>>
>> Nick Ruisi wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You forget, that to 90% of windows-oriented users, the
>>
> term "compile" is
>
>>> like mentioning black magic.
>>>
>>>
>>> kiwiunixman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> No, what he probably did was download the latest kernel,
>>>
> downloaded the
>
>>>> patch from the Iomega website, compile, and you're in business!
>>>
> not a
>
>>>> very hard task for person(s) who can read, and follow
>>>
> instructions, like me.
>
>>>> kiwiunixman
>>>>
>>>> <snype>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> J.C. Morgan
> coming soon: huge knowledgebase
> http://home1.gte.net/res06ckv ( due up in december)
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
------------------------------
From: "Santa Warlord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:02:08 -0800
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:InZX5.40794$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Swangoremovemee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:35:01 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >You said it didn't support USB. If you loaded a version that does,
> > >then why did you lie about it?
> >
> > You really DO HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO READ Les.
> >
> > This is the second time.
> >
> > I never said it didn't SUPPORT USB, I said NONE OF MY DEVICES WORKED.
> >
> > Please, learn how to read before you post erroneously.
> >
> > Swango
>
> Why are you blaming Linux for devices that don't work?
>
because that is the (one of) job of an OS. to get devices to work. duuuh!
>
> > >I take it you own a lot of MS stock and are worried?
> >
> > I don't own any stock.
> >
> > Swango
>
> Then why do you think anyone cares if your choice of
> devices keeps you hopelessly locked into a monopolistic
> vendor's operating systems?
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:02:07 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >>>> David Ogg writes:
>
> >>>>> Wow, you three should get a room!
>
> >>>> Counting problems?
>
> >>> See what I mean about his illogic?
>
> >> What alleged illogic, Marty?
>
> > Are you suggesting that a counting problem is an attribute indicative
> > of being logical?
>
> I wasn't suggesting anything, Marty; I was asking a question.
Then why use the word "alleged"?
------------------------------
From: "Santa Warlord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:06:00 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Swangoremovemee wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:35:01 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >You said it didn't support USB. If you loaded a version that does,
> > >then why did you lie about it?
> >
> > You really DO HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO READ Les.
> >
> > This is the second time.
> >
> > I never said it didn't SUPPORT USB, I said NONE OF MY DEVICES WORKED.
>
> Why the fuck did you purchase devices that weren't supported by Linux?
>
because there is no warning sticker that says "warning! this device may not
be supported under inferior operating systems, such as Linux"
> You know....even if you never intend to run Linux, it's in your
> long-term best interest (as a consumer) to purchase only those
> devices which ARE supported under multiple OS's.
>
I see. and how can you tell if a piece of hardware isn't supported by
Linsux? Do penguins telepathically send you a message saying that a device
is supported or not before you buy it?
--
"One by one the Penguins steal my sanity." (found printed on a T-shirt)
------------------------------
From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:03:54 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> > David Ogg wrote:
>
> >> Wow, you three should get a room!
>
> > PS: Thanks for providing the new "seed" for another "logical debate".
> > The old one was pretty-much spent.
>
> More like a new "infantile game" of yours, Marty.
Or more accurately, another opportunity for you to spew invective with
impunity.
> But you don't need any seed for that.
On the contrary, I do, given that I have no idea how to play this alleged
"infantile game".
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:15:14 GMT
"Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:BMkZ5.20294$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well, does Linux support these devices?
If you mean 'those ways of communicating with devices', yes.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:rziZ5.42697$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Swangoremovemee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > That doesn't mean anything. Apple can be just as much out in the
> > > > cold, as can be NT, if the vendor doesn't happen to think either
> > > > of those markets are large enough to support.
> > >
> > > It is Linux that is out in the cold because of it's lack of support
> > > for common hardware like USB.
> > >
> > > So Linux only supports certain USB devices?
> > >
> > > That's a good one.
> >
> > Yes it is. It is just as good as saying an OS only supports certain
> > ISA devices or certain PCI devices or certain microchannel
> > devices or certain EISA devices, or certain parallel port
> > devices, or any other system where each device still needs
> > it's own specific driver.
> >
> > > It amazes me how you people can not use all the features of the
> > > hardware you paid for and yet call Linux a superior operating system.
> >
> > Why would people who prefer Linux buy unsupported hardware?
> >
> > > Seems like Windows and Apple have gotten USB to work fine, what
> > > happened to Linux?
> >
> > Windows 98 won't run a Kensington USB video camera on my
> > Toshiba laptop and I have to re-boot after trying it. There was
> > a rather famous blue-screen when Bill Gates tried to show off
> > the USB support in the win98 preview. Is there some reason
> > I should think these are atypical?
> >
> > Les Mikesell
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:22:20 GMT
"Matthew Soltysiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> > Open source is dying. It is being hijacked by the Corporate big wigs.
Sun,
> > Corel, Redhat and IBM are doing everyone a favor by destroying the
anarchy
> > that is open source software.
>
> Ok???? That's the first time i've heard of that. Open source that's
> anarchy. Hmm.
>
> > I just started a download of StarOffice 5.2.
> > (no new development since its appropriation by Sun over a year ago) and
had
> > to submit a lengthy registration document and license agreement with
Sun.
> > Free software indeed. Now I have an additional, largely useless, office
> > application, but I'll be bombarded by advertising from Sun. I'd rather
pay
> > and not have these intrusions into my life.
>
> You don't have to provide your personal information to them. Just fill in
> their fields with garbage information. Geez.
>
Wrong Answer. It ran a check on the street address and zipcode.
> --
> Matthew Soltysiak
> Comp Sci/Soft Eng
> ICQ: 3063118
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:22:25 -0800
From: Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> "Truckasaurus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90rvcr$g4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > It is time to look at predictions for the year past - 2000:
> > This one's by Drestin Black:
> > "Message-ID: <hrlL3.7102$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I'll argue with you there. I am willing to take a double or nothing bet
> > from
> > you, Windows 2000 will sell 2x more copies than the combined sales of
> > Linux
> > in 2000."
> >
> > Sadly enough, I think Dres wins this one. But if you look at it, it's
> > kind of a wussy guess - I mean Win has 90% of the desktop market...
> >
> > 1 Prediction point for Dres, and 100 wuss points in the same direction!
> > Get som hair on your chest Dres, and give us a real prediction!
>
> I don't remember him making a wrong prediction yet - it helps that he
> probably has enough stock in MS to call Bill's cell phone :) but fact of the
> matter, he told it like it was.
>
> Giving "wuss points" is just sour grapes.
Funny you should mention Drestin and MSFT stock in the
same sentence. Anyone recall Drestin's recommendation
on COMNA (back around Valentine's Day IIRC) to buy
MSFT (at over 100) because MSFT *always* goes up
upon a new OS release - W2K at the time. He sure
got that one right, didn't he? MSFT closed at 58 and
change today - a 40+ % loss.
Drestin hinself was going to buy 1000 shares. Hope
he did, but I suspect that was more of his usual BS.
It's all on deja if anyone wants to check it out.
My investment advice would be to buy stocks that
actually increase in value. (And nope, I wouldn't
recommend RHAT or LNUX either)
Arthur
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:25:28 -0500
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bob Hauck wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:40:41 -0500, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You'll find that the Linux (*internet surfing) desktop share is about
> > > > .003120. MS.* is about .9375222 as of October out of 554,519,878
> > > > samples. read/weep http://www.thecounter.com/stats/
> > >
> > > Why you think this is a good thing is what escapes a lot of us. I can't
> > > imagine it being a good thing to have one company control 93% of
> anything.
> > >
> >
> > We should get rid of GM, Ford, Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Audi,
> > Porsche, Mercedes, Volvo, Datsun, and make everybody drive AMC Pacers.
>
> Pacers are only similar to Linux in one respect:
> Market Share
But In all other respects, Pacers are similar to LoseDOS.
Underpowered, unreliable, built by idiots -- for idiots.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:25:57 -0500
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> "Pan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JS/PL wrote:
> >
> > > > We should get rid of GM, Ford, Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Audi,
> > > > Porsche, Mercedes, Volvo, Datsun, and make everybody drive AMC Pacers.
> > >
> > > Pacers are only similar to Linux in one respect:
> > > Market Share
> >
> > True enough, but in terms of all other aspects, quality, power,
> > reliability, they are a virtual twin of WinDOS.
> >
>
> They are actually quite similar to Linux. A kludge of spare parts bolted
> together and sold cheap.
>
No, that's Windows.
> > --
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://salvador.venice.ca.us
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:26:38 -0500
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Bob Hauck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:40:41 -0500, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You'll find that the Linux (*internet surfing) desktop share is
> about
> > > > > .003120. MS.* is about .9375222 as of October out of 554,519,878
> > > > > samples. read/weep http://www.thecounter.com/stats/
> > > >
> > > > Why you think this is a good thing is what escapes a lot of us. I
> can't
> > > > imagine it being a good thing to have one company control 93% of
> > anything.
> > > >
> > >
> > > We should get rid of GM, Ford, Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Audi,
> > > Porsche, Mercedes, Volvo, Datsun, and make everybody drive AMC Pacers.
> >
> > Pacers are only similar to Linux in one respect:
> > Market Share
> >
>
> LOL
But similar to LoseDOS in all other respects
Underpowered, unreliable, Built by idiots -- for idiots...
>
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:28:11 GMT
Well, here is an example of something that has been in the UNIX world
for a long time, I am currently running Solaris 8 x86 (June 2000 w/
patches). Upgraded using the latest patch update, no reboot needed! now
why can't Windows be like that?
kiwiunixman
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> Forms of MS-DOS have been succeeded by the Windows recovery console, and the
> Windows Explorer.
>
> Windows NT's problem with reloading the Networking layers without rebooting
> have been resolved for the most part under IT SUCCESSOR Windows 2000.
>
> This is beginning to sound like lambasting a computer platform for how it
> looked 6 years ago, when Linux haters are lambasting the platform for how it
> is TODAY.
>
> "Nick Ruisi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Another wintroll....
>>
>> "Where's my C:\ drive?"
>>
>> The sad thing is that *nix systems (once you learn the commands) are
>> alot like MS-DOS (see how many wintrolls can even handle that!) and much
>> more intuitive. In fact, thats how I first started learning the bash
>> shell. Anyway, who the hell wants the old "your network settings have
>> changed, press any key to reboot" message on a production server?
------------------------------
From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:35:11 GMT
Swangoremovemee wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:47:56 -0500, "Colin R. Day"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>> And how can one do this in Windows? Oh, I forgot, failing to worship
>> whatever MS puts in your box is heresy.
>
>
> We don't have to.
> Neither do the folks who run Solaris, SCO or Aix, MVS, VM or Mac/OS.
>
> That is because those operating systems work with little intervention
> from the user and that same user can concentrate on applications.
You have missed the point completely. Windows 98SE is compiled and
optimized to work with the lowest grade processor possible (486), hence,
the very poor speed improvement once the processor is upgraded (say from
a PII to PIII). Compare that to Linux, where, if I have the latest
processor, and Linux can recognise it, you have the ability to optimize
the kernel to utilize the processor to its compacity.
>
>
>> But seriously, one can download kernel updates for free, configure them in
>> xconfig (yes, this has the effect of editing text files, but the user is
>> basically
>> clicking boxes). As for recompiling, how hard is it to issue a make command?
>
>
> Easy to issue the command.
>
> Not so easy to have a working kernel when you are done.
If you RTFM that is included with your distro (like the huge one
included with SuSE Linux), unless you are a complete moron, anyone
should be able to compile a kernel.
kiwiunixman
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
