Linux-Advocacy Digest #843, Volume #30 Wed, 13 Dec 00 08:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: switching to linux (pip)
Re: Linux is awful ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:12:23 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Aaron> Actually, the REAL problem is that the ECO-NUTS in
> Aaron> California shut down practically every fission power
> Aaron> project that came down the pike in the 1970's.
>
> Aaron> If those plants had been built, a lot of oil-fired and
> Aaron> coal-fired plants would have been taken off-line a long
> Aaron> time ago AND Cali. would STILL have surplus capacity.
>
> If those plants had been built, you'd be worrying about the leakage of
> radioactive materials,
No...i would not.
> including the periodically dumped nuclear waste
> that is a "by-product" of *normal operation* of a nuclear fission
> plant.
Ah yes...the fundamental problem with nuclear power plants...
being able to haul off the waste in solid form and put it
PRECISELY where we want it. Such a hooorrrrrrrrible problem.
You're right...we should just keep using plants that just
throw shit up into the air, where we have no control over it.
>
> Maybe, you're too young to have memories about the nuclear disaster
> that occurred in USSR over a decade ago. The adverse effects are till
> persisting nowadays...
I studied nuclear reactor design in the 1970's.
The plant at Chernobyl would never have been granted a building
permit in Western Europe or North America. The ONLY types of
societies that build carbon-pile reactors are totalitarian
governments which don't give a fuck how many people they kill.
>
> Remember, the 1970's is the time of the Oil Crisis, which has already
> gone.
And your point is?
>
> --
> Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´°(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:13:48 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Russ Lyttle writes:
>
> >>>>>>>> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not exactly uncommon. When my VCR is "off", it's still on by
> >>>>>>>>>>>> enough to keep a clock running and monitor its programming to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> determine whether to turn "on" (or should I say "more on") and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> record a program. Doesn't make the power switch any less
> >>>>>>>>>>>> intuitive.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Actually, I would say that that sort of power switch is highly
> >>>>>>>>>>> unintuitive. Intuitively, you'd expect that turning something
> >>>>>>>>>>> off would, you know, actually turn it off.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Depends on what you consider "off" to be. When you turn your
> >>>>>>>>>> microwave oven off, do you expect it to lose the time? (Yes,
> >>>>>>>>>> that does presuppose an oven with a clock on the display.
> >>>>>>>>>> Are there any new models that don't have one of those built in?)
>
> >>>>>>>>> I haven't seen any microwaves with an on/off button lately.
>
> >>>>>>>> Okay then, "Start/Stop", if you must be pedantic.
>
> >>>>>>>>> If they had them, then yeah, I'd expect them to at least turn
> >>>>>>>>> the display off, and go down to a trickle that only serves
> >>>>>>>>> to maintain a few K of RAM (for the clock and maybe some programs)
> >>>>>>>>> (which takes very little power, as evidenced by calculators and
> >>>>>>>>> watches, and could be done by battery like it is for CMOS
> >>>>>>>>> settings on computers.)
>
> >>>>>>>> Even with the display on, it could still be a trickle.
>
> >>>>>>> All this "unintuitive" behavior of power switches is causing a major
> >>>>>>> problem in California.
>
> >>>>>> Illogical. It is quite possible that people will generally know what
> >>>>>> to do with a power switch without needing to consult a manual, but will
> >>>>>> not generally know how much power is consumed in the on and off states.
> >>>>>> Consider the AC adaptor for a modem, for example. The power switch is
> >>>>>> on the modem, not the AC adaptor.
>
> >>>>> Logical. The behavior of the power switch changed from its traditional
> >>>>> role. People *think* it still works the way it did 10 years ago.
>
> >>>> Oh really? Your Curtis Mathes is older than that. You claim it kept
> >>>> the power on.
>
> >>> Yes, but it was very unusual for its time.
>
> >> Really? I had a clock-radio that when "off" kept the clock on. Very usual
> >> for its time.
>
> Note: no response.
>
> >>>>> Its behavior isn't capable of being comprehended without logical thought.
>
> >>>> And with logical thought, the average consumer will know how much power
> >>>> is still being consumed by a unit even when the switch is in the off
> >>>> position? That's not the issue here.
>
> >>>>> (See definition of intuitive).
>
> >>>> Practice what you preach.
>
> >>>>> They are still trying to make decisions
> >>>>> based on the traditional use of the power switch - power cord setup.
>
> >>>> On the contrary, sounds like your example involves a mislabeled
> >>>> button. There is a difference between "video blank" and "power off".
> >>>> You've described the former. I've been talking about the latter.
>
> >>> No, they concern the device that serves as a power switch these days.
>
> >> An "off" switch that leaves 10 amps of power running isn't much of an
> >> off switch.
>
> Note: no response.
>
> >>>>>>> The issue of all these devices still drawing power is keeping a
> >>>>>>> load on the system that it wasn't designed to handle.
>
> >>>>>> Are you suggesting that systems outside of California were somehow
> >>>>>> designed to handle it?
>
> >>>>> No. Outside CA, NY, and MA, there have been more plants built. These
> >>>>> plants are now selling some of their excess off peak power to CA. In the
> >>>>> past CA would sell power to Texas during the peak time in Texas and
> >>>>> Texas would sell to CA during the peak time there. Now the transfer is
> >>>>> all one way. To CA. But it is getting difficult for Texas utilities to
> >>>>> justify building more plants just to have power to sell to CA. They have
> >>>>> to justify the need for plants based on need in Texas.
>
> >>>> That has nothing to do with being designed to handle the load.
>
> >>>>>>> That coupled with lack of new power generation in California is putting
> >>>>>>> a strain on the system now, promising a major breakdown in the near
> >>>>>>> future.
>
> >>>>>> Sounds like those Californians are going to have to do without their
> >>>>>> 72-inch projection televisions. (Did your Curtis Mathes need 10 amps
> >>>>>> to keep its filament going?)
>
> >>>> Note: no response.
>
> >>>>>>> Relying to much on intuition and not enough on reason is going
> >>>>>>> to get a lot of people killed.
>
> >>>>>> The power consumed by a device in the off state has absolutely
> >>>>>> nothing to do with the issue of whether the power switch itself
> >>>>>> is intuitive.
>
> >>>> Note: no response.
>
> >>> OK, what is your intuitive concept of the operation of a power switch?
>
> >> One position is "on" and the other position is "off".
>
> > The switch marked "on" and "off" on my 1903A4 Springfield is a Power
> > Switch?
>
> Show me your 1903A4 Springfield.
>
> > Not all switches marked thus perform the same functions or
> > perform the same functions the same way!
>
> Irrelevant, given that I didn't say they do.
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:14:04 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >>>> David Ogg writes:
>
> >>>>> Wow, you three should get a room!
>
> >>>> Counting problems?
>
> >>> See what I mean about his illogic?
>
> >> What alleged illogic, Marty?
>
> > Are you suggesting that a counting problem is an attribute indicative
> > of being logical?
>
> I wasn't suggesting anything, Marty; I was asking a question.
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:19:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Les Mikesell writes:
>
> >>> Not true. What if you want to look for something ("Please find the
> >>> word "goose" in this document")?
>
> >> You don't use hjkl.
>
> > You do if you want to move the screen a line one way or the other
> > after finding the match.
>
> You can do that with control-U (for up) and control-D (for down), which
> actually have mnemonics.
>
> >>> Do that in traditional 'more' and you still have to scan
> >>> the page with your eyes once it comes up.
>
> >> Finding an occurrence of a string is a rather different matter from
> >> simply viewing a document. The latter was what he brought up.
>
> > No it isn't.
>
> Balderdash. I suggest you review the thread.
>
> > I almost always search for something when I view a document.
>
> What you almost always do is irrelevant. Viewing a document is
> what was brought up, not searching a document. By the way, you
> can search a document with grep.
>
> > Being able to do it the same way in the viewer as in an editor
> > makes the one you learned second intuitive.
>
> Only if you know beforehand that the two operate the same way.
>
> >>>> My point is that its action isn't intuitive.
>
> >>> To whom?
>
> >> To someone who hasn't used it before. Who else? Intuition
> >> doesn't apply to something that someone already knows.
>
> > Of course it does.
>
> I suggest you learn the definition of intuition. Knowing how to
> brush your teeth in the morning because you've been doing it for
> years doesn't mean it's now intuitive.
>
> > How can someone that doesn't know anything at all use a computer?
>
> By reading the manual. That doesn't involve intuition; it involves
> learning.
>
> >> You have a peculiar notion of intuition. Needing to know a bunch
> >> of things suddenly makes something intuitive.
>
> > Being able to re-use the same thing you already know in
> > another context makes the subsequent one intuitive.
>
> How many previous editors use hjkl for cursor movement like vi?
>
> > Vi lets you re-use almost everything you learn in many different
> > ways.
>
> I learned to use Alt-C to mark a block column; vi doesn't let me
> re-use that. I learned to use Alt-W to write a buffer to disk;
> vi doesn't let me re-use that. I learned to use Alt-X to exit
> the editor; vi doesn't let me re-use that. I learned to use the
> Home key to go to the top of the screen; vi doesn't let me re-use
> that. Need I go on?
>
> >>> If you stick '$' in where a character or character mover could go -
> >>> it means eoln, if you stick it where a line number could go - it
> >>> means last line. It's 100% consistent.
>
> >> You mean the $ never means the dollar sign?
>
> > Not in the range/motion part of a command.
>
> So in other parts, it could be inconsistent.
>
> >>> In the statement :1,$...something... the '$' is being used in the
> >>> place of a line number.
>
> >> Thus the symbol is overloaded, and not consistent.
>
> > But the meanings have something in common so it is consistent.
> > Note how our use of consistent is overloaded and not consistent.
>
> Not consistent with one another. Your use could be erroneous.
>
> > We do this all the time and find it easier than remembering a
> > different symbol for every nuance of meaning.
>
> But you need to remember a different meaning.
>
> >>>> Is 4dk a special case?
>
> >>> It fits the generic pattern: {number}{command}{movement}
>
> >> I see you missed my point.
>
> > I did as well.
>
> Glad you agree.
>
> > What point? It re-uses the same information you learned for
> > every other vi command.
>
> The key words here are "you learned".
>
> >>>>> Carriage-returns are control-M characters
>
> >>>> So one might expect to enter a control-M into the document by typing
> >>>> control-M. Doesn't work. Oh, so you need a prefix. Now, what is so
> >>>> intuitive about control-V as the prefix? A UNIX novice might expect
> >>>> the backslash to be used as the prefix.
>
> >>> Ctrl-V is common in many other unix interactive tools.
>
> >> Backslash is common in many other UNIX applications.
>
> > Backslash is the 'high level' escape actually seen by application
> > level input and a backslash preceding the end-of-line typically
> > means the app should ignore the line end and consider the next
> > line a continuation.
>
> That there might be different levels of escape is also not intuitive.
>
> > The control-V is normally the 'lnext' character in the tty input
> > subsystem below application level.
>
> The average user isn't going to know about tty input subsystems.
>
> > For example you can input a literal control-C or control-Z
> > into an application through the keyboard by preceding with
> > the control-V, even though they would normally generate
> > a signal at the OS level.
>
> The average user isn't going to know about signals at the OS level.
>
> > Vi is actually doing raw input and is in control of this escape
> > mechanism so it doesn't have to match the OS 'lnext' character,
> > but since the function is exactly the same, this is yet another
> > place vi does the intuitive thing and re-uses what you know in
> > another context.
>
> You're presupposing knowledge of tty input subsystems and OS signals.
>
> >> Do you consider yourself a UNIX novice?
>
> > Why would that matter?
>
> Intuition doesn't apply to people who already have experience.
>
> > A novice has less chance to re-use knowledge in intuitive ways.
>
> A novice has a greater chance to rely on intuition.
>
> >>> It's mnemonic is "verbatim", as in, "Do this next character verbatim,
> >>> ignoring any special meaning it may have."
>
> >> And do you consider the mnemonic intuitive?
>
> > Mnemonics are usually made up after the fact, but they are
> > as intuitive as anything else.
>
> Are you suggesting that control-U and control-D were chosen before
> the "up" and "down" mnemonics were made up?
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:24:55 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >
> > I think I'll just call myself a freethinker. Too many
> > people have projected their own delusions onto the
> > word "liberal".
>
> If you think left-wing liberalism is about freedom, I suggest
> that you go visit North Korea, Russia, China or Cuba, or talk
> to any of the millions who risked their lives to escape the
> Warsaw Pact countries to North America.
So you're just being politically correct. Instead of using
the deprecated word "communist", you now use the p.c. word
"liberal". I get it! Gee thanks.
And, since some people in the U.S. call themselves
"liberals", that must mean they're what we can no longer
call "communist". Your logic is subtle, yet awesome.
Chris
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:25:52 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Steve Mading
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on 6 Dec 2000 00:07:30 GMT
> <90k002$ge2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >: That's the problem with Aaron's argument. It can be used to claim that
> >: nothing is intuitive. You're quite right to note that intuitiveness is
> >: not an absolute.
> >
> >If you really admitted that intuativeness was not an abosulte, you
> >would refrain from making such blanket statments as "vi is not
> >intuative". If you really believed intuativeness was relative,
> >then that type of statement would require some qualifiers.
> >
>
> Vi is not intuitive ... just extremely useful for those who have
> learned its idiosyncracies. I for one could say the same about Emacs or
> even Notepad, Wordpad, Microsoft Word, Corel WordPerfect, or other
Notepad is NOT useful.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: switching to linux
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:27:02 +0000
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> "migs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > hi...
> > im thinking of switching to linux and have installers for redhat
> > caldera, suse, and slackware.
> > is there any diff between these distriburtions??? if so what are the pros
> > and cons??
>
> If you have to ask, you'd probably better stick with RedHat or Suse.
Well, its probably a good idea to ask! Especially as
you can't compile a standard kernel in RH7 if you follow
the normal kernel how-to (yes don't worry: the kludge
is easy to do and documented at redhat website under
common problems). Also xinet replacing inetd is a buggy mess
(updates available at rh).
So, all in all asking question about disto's can be a rather
good idea and I wish I had before "upgrading" my redhat boxen
to the newest version - still, you live and learn. Who said
progress would be easy?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:32:14 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:15:55 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Bob Hauck wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:20:23 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> >> Well, actually, it would be a lot more than $300 since none of my home
> >> >> computers meet the minimum spec for W2K, and some of them aren't even
> >> >> that old. About 30% of the ones at the office don't either, which
> >> >> might explain management's lack of enthusiasm for W2K.
> >> >
> >> >I would say that anything below P133Mhz+32MB is indeed old.
> >>
> >> Why should a computer less than five years old be ready for the trash
> >> heap?
> >
> >Because if you're stuck with Windows...that's how life goes.
>
> I seem to remember something regarding "refreshing hardware",
> as it relates to Windows. I for one would find that slightly
> insidious, although it's also something that people wil probably
> want anyway as hardware gets faster, bigger, cheaper, better.
> But to have an OS *require* hardware refresh of this type? Bleah.
Precisely. At work, we have 10-year old HP's that started out
running HP-UX 9.04 and are now running HP-UX 11.x
Microsoft-running machines could NEVER survive two major OS releases.
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- if I want something refreshing, I'll do the Dew
> up 81 days, 18:43, running Linux.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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