Linux-Advocacy Digest #5, Volume #31 Thu, 21 Dec 00 14:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows Stability (Stuart Fox)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Reds, Yellows, and Other Bitter Pills (redc1c4)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("David T. Johnson")
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) ("Ignorant Lutefisk")
Re: The Sixth Sense (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The Sixth Sense (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The Sixth Sense (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
My pet peeve: Developers who don't furnish a complete application package.
(Spicerun)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows Stability
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:16:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Connors) wrote:
> Why should they test drivers? That's the point of getting a tested
OS. It's
> not their job, it's the OS Distributer and the hardware makers job.
They
> may and should test their own software to make sure it does exactly
what
> they expect it to, but thats it.
Which is why MS now certify drivers...
>
> Memory Leaks. Goodness, never heard of those in Unix, what do they
do?
>
All sorts of things:
http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/unix/kern_mod_40e.R
EADME
http://technet.oracle.com/support/s_reports/network/content/509618.htm
http://www.humanfactor.com/cgi-bin/cgi-delegate/apache-
ML/nh/1997/Sep/0986.html
That's the first three from **many** results on a quick google search
>
> Stability issues with drivers in Win2K result from the sheer number of
> them that run in the kernel. Using Linux as an example, no driver
gets
> kernel mode unless its been TESTED in a BIG way. At worst a lousy
driver
> should make that device not work. You work with a strage OS that has
> strange quirks.
Again, MS are now certifying (most) drivers for Win2K
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:18:39 +0100
Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:91e2a5$i86$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > : What do you mean newline?
> > : You mean the one used in *nix?
> > : In windows you need two characters for new line.
> >
> > The term "newline" to refer to linefeed is not just a Unix term.
> > Note the notation "\n" in C.
Bad example, C was specifically designed to (further) develop Unics.
> Actually the term "newline" was originally intentionally used
> to describe an abstract concept to emphasize that it did not
> specifically have to refer to a linefeed character even though
> in unix they are identical.
The problem is that ASCII contains a "linefeed" and a "carriage return"
character, but that different (printer-) companies applied different
semantics to them. That's what you get when you don't tell people
exactly what they are supposed to do.
Lars T.
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From: redc1c4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "delete the \".ies\""
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Reds, Yellows, and Other Bitter Pills
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:45:10 GMT
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
(snipage occurs)
>
> By the way, did you know that the election of George Bush was predicted
> by Nostradamus? Here's the prediction:
>
> "In the twelfth month of the millennial year, in the land of
> greatest power, the village idiot will be brought forth and
> declared the leader"
> - Nostradamus
>
> Nyuk nyuk!
>
> Chris
hi "Leader"!
redc1c4,
laughing last
--
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We
ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed
you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that
ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams
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From: "David T. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:07:44 -0500
Jeff Glatt wrote:
>
> >The Ghost In The Machine writes:
> >> Ah, I see. So we're supposed to do what in these forums (fora?), again?
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Come to conclusions using a little logic.
>
> Or in the case of Tholen, very, very, very little logic... in the form
> of "circular"
Logic? You mean like the logic you exhibited when you posted these
words about Sten Solberg a couple of days ago? Forget your logic,
Glatt. You cannot even put two thoughts together in a sentence. Here,
I'll repost your 'Sten comment' for you in case you have forgotten:
[Begin Glatt gibberish about Sten]
> Oh jesus, this guy is actually serious. Does anyone know if that
> Jensens guy fathered a kid? You don't see this rare a case of insanity
> all that often.
>
> But, I honestly don't think that Sten's opinion of Tholen is about
> Tholen at all. If you read Sten's posts, you can see that the "farm
> boy" is struggling to come off as a "super cool and supremely high
> brow, but still has his feet on the ground" logic dispenser. The level
> of utterly pointless, laughable pomposity in his posts is waaaaaaaaaay
> over the top (sort of like with that Bennie Nelson guy, and also
> Jensens tended to be a pompous twit too on occasion), and the token,
> routine-to-the-point-of-calculated nods at being "just a simple guy"
> are so carefully and regularly interspersed as to be totally
> disgenuous and contrived.
>
> There is a psychological behavior known as "projection", and Sten's
> posts reek of it. Sten's opinion of Tholen is really all about Sten. I
> suspect that, in real life, he's a nerdish Walter Mitty "loser" type
> who wants so badly to be "admired" by others that he's totally willing
> to buy into Tholen's self-proclamation as exactly the sort of
> infallible logic dispenser that Sten accepts him to be -- a guy who
> doesn't need to spologize because he never makes a mistake (unless
> it's someone else's fault, really) -- a guy who never is responsible
> for instigating anything bad or negative -- etc. In Sten's mind, if
> such a "hero" can exist in Tholen, then that reinforces Sten's own
> fantasy that he could himself someday be such a "hero".
>
> And that's what it's all about re this "simple farm boy" who has just
> started reading COOA (and presumably Tholen's posts) and yet is sure
> that the 100 or so people in my digest who have all concluded the same
> thing about Tholen are all wrong and totally clueless about this
> "hero" (and these are comments only from those people who actually
> posted about Tholen here -- not the ones who undoubtably just killfile
> him or deem him not even worth their time)
[end Glatt gibberish]
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From: "Ignorant Lutefisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:12:03 -0500
Hi Claire (swango, some other shit)
pl0nk!
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> For lack of anything else to do I decided to go cold turkey and run
> Linux exclusively for one day and see how it measured up for general
> use. No games, no financial packages or Windows only programs, just
> general surfing and letter writing and so forth. The idea was to try
> the different gui's, programs and so forth for an entire day and see
> how Linux compares to Windows 2k.
>
> I have Mandrake 7.2 already set up and running, as best as it can for
> Linux that is.
>
> First off, this version of Linux is anything but stable and that is a
> fact. Here are a few bugs:
>
> Open a terminal window under kde and that's the end of it. You can
> never open another one because it is hung. You can open other programs
> and run them but when you try to logout of kde it is hung and it's
> kill the xserver time.
>
> Wheel mouse worked fine until I tried Gnome instead of kde and it (the
> wheel) never worked again after that. Re-installing via DrakConf
> didn't help.
>
> Use the Fontmanager to find my Windows TT Fonts, which it does, but
> they never show up in any of the menues to be selected. SO where are
> they and how do I use them?
>
> Setting up an account in Gnome Dialer doesn't work. When you hit OK
> button after inputting all the data it just goes back to a blank, like
> when you started. Real nice applet that one is.
>
> Selecting "Help" in just about any program brings up that totally
> useless generic KDE help (How to move a mouse etc), or a message that
> help hasn't been written yet. Doesn't surprise me seeing as half of
> kde hasn't been written yet. It looks and acts like a toy and is very
> unstable.
>
> Menues between the various window managers don't have the same
> selections in them. For example:DrakConf is missing from
> Enlightenment. So where did they go?
>
> Speaking of Enlightenment (pretty nice BTW), once you run it all of
> your menues in kde and Gnome get screwed up. Totally out to lunch
> unless you wish to rebuild all of your menus.
>
> Printing doesn't work with StarOffice and CUPS.
>
> Trying to change the fonts under Gnome Terminal is an exercise in
> confusion. Couldn't they just have a selection "big, larger,huge like
> kde does instead of telling me every fsking detail about the font
> except what type it is (tty etc).
>
> XFree 4.x kills the WheelMouse. Never works even with imwheel.
>
> My Matrox G400 with 16 meg is identified as a 4 meg card. No way to
> change it because Linux insists it has 4 meg.
>
> Not to mention none of my USB devices work.
>
> Add to this that Netscape looks like crap no matter what font is
> chosen. StarOffice takes an eternity to load and doesn't import
> correctly from Word for Mac, which even Wordperfect for WIndows does
> fine.
>
> MusicMatch Jukebox is a half assed, bloated (13meg) pig that runs like
> molasses under Wino.
>
> Typical of Linux programs, it is a generation behind the Windows
> version.
>
> I did like knode though and that application has promise.
>
> DrakConf is pretty nice as well.
>
> Konquerer doesn't manage certificates well and has an annoying pause
> in it every time you click on a link. The gears pause for a second
> before the thing starts going. Very annoying. It is also much slower
> than IE 5.5 at loading pages from the sites I frequent.
>
> And on and on and on....
>
> Free or not, one has to wonder if anyone test's these things before
> they ship this garbage.
>
> So tell me again, why should I switch from Windows 2000 to Linux? Why
> should anyone switch? Is there a compelling reason? Surely just
> looking at the painful boxy fonts of Linux is enough to make one run
> back to Windows. The way I see it I would be taking a huge step
> backwards all for the joy of running Linux.
>
> Nothing much has changed in 2 years from a UI point of view.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:29 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry; still cleaning up old threads.
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:06:08
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:13:09
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >
>> >> >For example, a program that rip CD-Audio has every reason in the world to
>> >> >add itself as an alternative to the CD-Audio menu.
>> >>
>> >> Add itself as an alternative? I thought you said they had "every
>> >> right"; why on earth would anyone want their app to be an alternative?
>> >
>> >Because ripping CD-Audio is not a common task with CDs.
>>
>> That would depend, wouldn't it? For those that rip audio from or to
>> CDs, I'd say its probably a common task, wouldn't you? For the rest, it
>> might be uncommon, I guess.
>
>That is why it should ask if it should add itself as the default.
Why not ask also if it wants to be an alternative. Better yet, don't
ask anything at all, and let the user *tell* the computer how it should
work. Oh, no, I forgot, Windows doesn't have a functional method for
the user to control extensions/associations/file types. My bad.
--
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:32 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chad C. Mulligan in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 01 Dec 2000
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>I'd think the developer is required to write his application correctly to
>the target platform.
I think that's because you presume, incorrectly, that software
development is an academic pursuit. Currently, writing software is a
commercial venture. Which means the developer has what requirements the
*customer* places on them, entirely independent and unrelated to the
arbitrary and entirely unimportant suggestions that the platform
developer might have for how the API is most "correctly" used.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:34 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chad C. Mulligan in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 01 Dec 2000
[...]
>Noooo. The Notes debacle resulted from changes to the NT security model
>included in SP6 that invalidated the Notes/Domino Server's installation
>since IBM/Lotus didn't write their application to the Win32 API, or use
>proper NTLM account referrences, in short the wrote their server in total
>disregard for the platform they wished to run on.
They didn't write their application for a platform; they wrote it for a
market. And the market they were writing for was platform-independant.
Since this didn't happen on OS/2 (more properly considered the 'target'
platform for Notes), it is a sign that Windows is crap, and nothing
more.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:35 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just to start at the beginning:
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:58:02
>My understanding of the US legal system is miniscule, but check this out:
>
>http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/ebiz/story?id=3a1c16e71a4
>
>"An agreement called "one source." They have consolidated their entire sales
>strategy around Red Hat Linux"
>
>In essense, agreeing not to sell any other Linux dist aside from RedHat.
Its their business; they're allowed to do anything they want, as long as
its not anti-competitive.
>http://www.siteofthesentient.com/inframe/sherman.anti-trust.act.html
>The Sherman Anti-Trust Act:
>
>"Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or
>conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or
>with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal."
>
>Isn't this what MS was accussed of?
Yes, restraining trade is what MS was accused (and convicted) of. No,
Dell's decision to sell RedHat exclusively is not restraint of trade.
>Granted, Dell is just one OEM, but still...
No, "but" about it. You don't seem to get the point of anti-trust law.
It is a class of act (anything which decreases competition), not a
particular act (deciding to single source a product component) which is
outlawed. Dell is just one OEM, therefore what they do can't be in
violation of the Sherman Act unless it decreases competition. Now how
is Dell deciding to single source Linux from RedHat going to decrease
competition?
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:37 -0500
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Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:42:26
[...]
>Rush is loud, obnoxious, pompous, opinionated and , more often than not,
>absolutely right in what he says.
Think harder.
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:40 -0500
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Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:47:47
[...]
>> Even when he says something based on a fact, the implications he
>> draws are absurd.
>
>That's the key. Just take what he says and try to verify it. You'll be
>surprised. I sure as hell know I was! As I said above, when he gets to be
>too much, crank up some loud guitars!
Just to provide a counter-point, Tom. I listened to Rush Limbaugh quite
a bit, often the whole show, and always for at least half an hour at a
stretch. He is an ignorant blow-hard. Even a broken clock is right
twice a day, though, so your efforts to "verify" what he says amount to
little more than hindsight bias and buying into his spin-based
conservative assumptions.
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:47 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Charlie Ebert in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:38:55
>In article <kAnW5.4399$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Tom Wilson wrote:
>>
>>"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:38:26 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >well to be honest the legal system never thought we would have such a
>>> >crybaby loser like we have with Gore so b/c of him we are having a 30
>>> >day election instead of a 1 day election with some votes counted 5 times
>>> >and the other 95% counted once.
>>>
>>> Gore did win the popular vote nationally, so your man Bush was really
>>> the minority choice. If the tables were turned, would you be telling
>>> Bush to concede or would you be insisting that he's only taking
>>> advantage of the options available and saying that the electoral
>>> college system needs to be thrown out?
>>
>><soapbox>
>>
>>Actually, Republicans wouldn't have allowed Bush to follow this course.
>>They're not stupid. What Gore is doing now is damaging a party already
>>banged-up by Clinton. How the hell else, in this strong economy, could the
>>election have even been close? What Gore's doing now is adding more nails
>>to the Democratic coffin. I used to be a STAUNCH Democrat, until around
>>1993. The Democratic party, now, isn't the party I used to support. Their
>>idiotic post-election behavior just re-enforces that decision. The longer it
>>goes on, the less viable the party becomes. A smart Democratic party would
>>have gracefully bowed out, allowed the Republicans to have a legitimately
>>questionable four year turn at the helm, then come back and clean house in
>>2004. As it stands, they're putting 2002 senate races in jeopardy. Mark my
>>words, the longer this goes on, the more seats they'll lose. Now, any
>>efforts by them to tie up the senate to counter Bush proposals will appear
>>as more sour grapes. In 2004, they're going to nominate Hillary Clinton.
>>Just watch. It will be an unmitigated disaster!
>>
>>IDIOTS!
>>
>></soapbox>
>>
>>--
>>Tom Wilson
>>A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
>
>
>There will be no worry about this. When the emporer takes control
>he will disband the imperial senate!
>
>I'll throw out my political views now. Why not.
>
>I think Gore and Bush need to leave. I would like 2 actual candidates
>and I don't think much of either one of them.
>
>Why is it Mc Cain, a vietnam POW, drank urine to stay alive, is
>rejected because he's a liberal/republican. What rubbish.
>
>And Gore/Clinton, do I really need to type anything here?
>Why do the democrats always pick the most idiotic freak candidates
>they can find? Why?
>
>And I agree with your comments. The Democrats haven't supported
>the middle class in 20 or more years.
>
>We have become a nation of extremist parties.
>You are either extreme rightwing or your extreme leftwing and
>the middle ground where most of us stand is not being represented.
>
>This in itself is an extremely dangerous thing.
You confuse representation with media. The middle ground is the one
doing the representing; the extreme conservatives and flaming liberals
are the ones "represented" because they are the extremes. Reporting on
moderates is boring; splashing extremes all over the media boosts
advertising revenues. If you want to blame someone, blame Wall Street
and Hollywood for their pathetically self-serving posturing and
soft-headedness. Politicians are the result of the problem, not the
cause of the problem.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:49:01 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 04 Dec 2000 03:55:48
>"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> >
>> > Because he was hell-bent on abriding first-amendment rights,
>> > limiting the ability of candidates and citizens to publicize
>> > their views on election issues, turning over all communication
>> > to the leftist Ministries of Propaganda more commonly known as
>> > ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC.
>>
>> I always get a chuckle over references to "the liberal media."
>> Although it is true nowadays that these stations now broadcast
>> thinly-disquised entertainment under the guise of "news".
>
>You have to almost be blind not to see how Brokaw, Couric, Laurer,
>Jennings, and the gang get all wet over Clinton and Gore.
That's because they're intelligent and well-intentioned. ;-)
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: My pet peeve: Developers who don't furnish a complete application package.
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:03:14 -0600
<Rant Mode>
It really gets frustrating to download an application...mostly in source
form....and try to install and compile, then find
that the package requires 2 or 3 other packages.....some of which can
only be compiled so that the application you compile
can find the bits of source code/include files necessary from those
packages. In most cases, the Developer tells you up front
everything that you need, but a lot of them don't.
Nothing is more infuriating than having your compile come to a dead stop
because it couldn't find some cryptically named file
or library with no clue as to where or what the missing piece is. In my
case, I abandon the application if it has to link with 4 or
more libraries not supplied in normal Linux distributions. I think a
lot of people will abandon a propective application even
earlier than I do.
I really think the Linux cause would be helped greatly if 1. developers
would stop every once-in-a-while and catch up the documentation
or requirements so others can know the full requirements 2. developers
would just stop and test their application package on a newly
setup Linux System that has no libraries other than the standard
libraries......and correct their packages to where everything is
included, and
3. Reconsider how they are writing their code if they are linking to an
excessive number of libraries that are not standardly found
in any standard Linux System. I know this is not fun for the
developers, but the developers need to understand that if they don't
do their work fully, the general public isn't going to bother with their
work. The developer ends up losing.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:49:23 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:12:08
[...]
>That's the one thing true liberals don't understand. You can coat all of the
>high ideals and principals you like on humanity but it boils down to
>this...We're little more than apes with opposable thumbs and firearms. The
>type-A's out there will build a power base and molest the sheep. Law of the
>jungle. There ain't no equal property!
Excuse me, but perhaps you weren't aware; in the jungle, apes share and
show compassion for other apes. And according to this "law of the
jungle", there isn't any property at all, and you don't get to "deserve"
your wealth, as long as someone can kill you and take it.
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T. Max Devlin
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