Linux-Advocacy Digest #183, Volume #31 Tue, 2 Jan 01 03:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft deemed security threat to U.S. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptimes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:44:18 -0500
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> Over the past year, Mozilla and Konqueror became usable, and
> :> StarOffice was finally freed.
> :>
> :> Hence, it's now possible to create a VERY reliable, functional, and
> :> cost-effective Linux desktop in a corporate environment for about a
> :> fifth of the initial cost of its NT equivalent, and with virtually
> :> zero ongoing support/maintenance costs. (There will be a one-time
> :> cost for retraining heavy MSOffice users.)
>
> : functional is a bit of stretch. I guarantee you that if you take any 100
> : office users and give them StarOffice, the majority will find StarOffice to
> : lack features they need to do their jobs.
>
> I hear moaning and bitching every day about how MSOffice or Winblows
> crashed just before an important presentation or deadline.
>
> If users are temporarily concerned about things SO "cannot" do because
> the keyboard shortcut might be different, or it might be in a
> different place on the menu, I think I can live with that.
>
> : You're also assuming that a typical office worker only has needs for those
> : programs. Most companies have Access databases, contact management systems
> : (ACT or GoldMine for instance. Nothing similar exists for Linux), custom VB
> : programs, etc...
>
> You're *assuming* that I'm assuming. I've been around long enough to
> have a pretty good idea of how "[m]ost companies" work.
>
> Yes, there is some proprietary crap like what you've described. In
> many cases, there's a lot, and at least some of it is fairly central
> to some people's responsibilities.
>
> However, there is no reason that a browser-based front end can't be
> quickly and easily built around a contact system or any reasonably
> built Access "database." If it can't, then that's a very good reason
> to discontinue use of the thing as soon as possible, regardless of
> platform.
>
> The VNC solution works in the interim.
>
> :> "What about custom VB/Powerbuilder/Delphi apps," you might ask? Well,
> :> in the short term, you can keep NT boxes around for these, and access
> :> them via VNC.
>
> : That won't work, because every user will then be sharing the same desktop.
> : Try putting 100 users on the same desktop.
>
> Obviously you still need 1 copy and 1 license per concurrent user.
> But you've already got one of each, or at least I hope you do, or else
> Mafia$oft's lawyers will be very unhappy.
>
> You still win if not all of your users are in the system at the same
> time.
>
> You may be able to use something like Terminal Server or Winframe to
> manage multiple instances per box, if licensing issues permit.
>
> And this is only a stopgap measure. Slapping a Web interface onto a
> well designed custom app is really not a big deal - you did remember
> to use a MVC architecture, right? If not, then the thing needs to be
> rebuilt anyway.
>
> :> In the longer term, though, most of the kinds of apps
> :> these tools used to be used for are being redesigned and rewritten
> :> using an n-tier architecture, with thin (browser-based) clients being
> :> the preferred mode of access. There is no reason the app should know
> :> or care what kind of OS the browser is running on.
>
> : They're not going to rewrite those apps. VB allowed them to write a simple
> : app to do something quickly, they're not going to spend 100x more in
> : developer time to do something in C.
>
> Why use C *or* VB when every Linux distribution comes with good
> scripting languages and IDEs (including some GUI builders)?
>
> :> : In a more
> :> : traditional windows environment though, say a home user or even small
> :> : unmanaged business then Linux is not something that is acceptable.
> :>
> :> That's changing too.
> :>
> :> It is very conceivable to me that within the next two years, 50% or
> :> more of games and home-oriented apps will be cross-platform.
>
> : Perhaps. That won't make Linux any friendlier to setup and maintain for the
> : home user.
>
> Addressed below. One thing at a time, OK? :)
>
> :> Even in a mostly Windows-dominated world, it makes sense not to tie
> :> one's code tightly to any particular version of Windows, since there
> :> are now dozens in widespread use, and they differ fairly substantially
> :> from the perspective of an application developer. It's much better to
> :> isolate the platform-dependent code behind some type of abstraction
> :> layer, *even* if most or all of your users use Windows. You then have
> :> most if not all of the platform-specific problems, bugs, and fixes
> :> confined to one relatively small section of your app.
>
> : Actually, windows is getting EASIER for the developer. Windows 2000
> : supports all the same API's as Windows 9x now, with DirectX, MAPI, Direct3D,
> : etc...
>
> I'm an architect/developer in a fairly typical large enterprise.
> We're doing mostly n-tier for new development, but are saddled with
> having to maintain a LOT of legacy stuff, much of it developed using
> VB and a primitive client/server architecture.
>
> We have only two supported platforms for desktops right now, NT4 and
> Win95.
>
> Building software that runs on both of these is a nightmare, mostly
> because of DLL issues (to be fair to Mafia$oft, many of them are
> related to third-party products such as Seagate Crystal Reports, and
> thus not completely M$'s fault).
>
> Granted, if the original developers had used a MVC architecture, with
> most of the business logic implemented as COM components living on an
> MTS server, then our porting and maintenance woes might have been far
> less.
>
> But given that they didn't, it is my belief and recommendation that
> most of them be rewritten using an architecture like this:
>
> DB server: Oracle (since we have company-wide site license)
> (would rather use PostgreSQL if it were completely
> up to me since Oracle is mass overkill for what we do)
>
> Middleware: PHP for simpler projects, and JSP/servlets for
> more involved ones. Won't rule out use of Perl and/or
> Python, preferably the latter, where appropriate.
>
> Front end: HTML4, with limited and optional Javascript on
> client side; tested using IE and Netscape versions
> from 3.0 to current;
>
> *PLUS*
>
> Rich clients using Java/Swing where needed (for instance
> in data-entry-intensive apps, where the spartan UI
> available in HTML4 is not sufficient). We know that
> Swing requires substantial resources to perform well,
> but believe that these resources are a bargain compared
> to the long-term cost of continuing to build and deploy
> VB applications.
>
> Modeling: Corporate standard will be Rational Rose (ironically
> this necessitates NT client licenses since the Rational
> folks haven't yet ported to *n*x). Also investigating
> open-source Java tool, ArgoUML.
>
> Communication: My preference is XML over SSL; we don't have all
> the infrastructure needed to implement yet, and thus
> may use lesser forms of encryption in the meantime.
>
> MS DNA: We will be using MS DNA in a few situations where
> time to market, integration with MSOffice, or
> interaction with existing MS-centric apps are overriding
> considerations. However, the company allows only NT4,
> not W2K, for this purpose. I'm skeptical that NT4 and
> compatible tools will continue to be supported after
> .NET is released, but the company is taking a "wait and
> see" attitude.
>
> We're building prototype classes and "starter" apps from which most of
> the functionality that our typical apps need can be derived, so as to
> maximize opportunities for code reuse and thereby speed up time to
> market.
>
> Please note that these are the company's decisions, not mine. I'd
> have gone a different way on a few points, although I largely agree
> with most of them (including DNA - we had to fight to keep it as an
> acceptable option for new development, since it's burned the company
> quite a bit; however, I'm not averse to recommending it in the rare
> cases where it is the technically better solution and where it doesn't
> result in continued over-dependence upon Mafia$oft).
>
> :> But, once you've done that, it becomes possible to port the app
> :> relatively easily to other platforms.
>
> : No, those apps are still using Windows API's, they're just using common
> : subsets.
>
> Using the API directly is a very bad idea, especially from VB, where
> most of our Windows-only developers work. Most knowledgeable
> developers abstract it behind functions that take VB data types at the
> very least; watching a VB novice try to figure out why embedded null
> characters f*ck up VB string handling is a painful experience, and so
> senior developers always write functions that others can use rather
> than attempting to figure this stuff out on their own.
>
> Yes, we do use Appelman's API book - it's starting to appear dated,
> but there still isn't anything better that I'm aware of.
>
> :> Hardware support: this is a chicken-and-egg problem, exacerbated by
> :> pressure illegally asserted by Mafia$oft, but even so, we're seeing
> :> more chickens and more eggs all the time. I predict this will be a
> :> non-issue within those same two years.
>
> : I doubt it. Linux will never have those scaled down modems and other
> : hardware that OEM's love because they're cheap.
>
> They could publish the interfaces, and then Linux hackers could write
> drivers. That they don't is almost certainly 100% due to Mafia$oft
> pressure, and it remains to be seen whether it will be able (or even
> willing, in light of .NET) to continue to exert it.
>
> :> Appearance: yes, we need better font rendering. XFree86 4.0.2 has it.
> :> The toolkits need minor adjustment to take advantage of the render
> :> extensions. That will be a done deal soon, with completely
> :> antialiased distros available probably midyear if not sooner.
>
> : Apart from fonts, they also need more standards between desktop
> : environments.
>
> That's coming.
>
> I will be the first to admit that UI design is one of the few areas
> where most Windows programs are demonstrably superior to their Linux
> counterparts.
>
> But that is a sign of the relative immaturity of these apps. Windows
> apps of a similar vintage (~10 years ago) were monstrosities compared
> to KDE- or Gnome-anything. Linux apps will catch up, especially once
> more formerly Windows-centric ISVs are on board.
>
> :> Ease of installing new packages: Debian's apt-get and the *BSD ports
> :> collections solve this problem nicely. RPMs, even with GUI front
> :> ends, still need for someone to go out and fetch the required
> :> dependencies, and this process needs to be better automated. As Linux
> :> becomes more "mainstream," my guess it that it will be.
>
> : One can hope.
>
> We do more than hope. We constantly improve. :)
>
> :> :> The user will user a system with the least amount of work. Just because
> :> :> there are work arounds for this limitation, and it is a LIMITATION,
> : does
> :> :> not mean the average user will use the more complex solution. Most of
> :> :> the NT users I have seen just give themselves admin privileges.
> :>
> :> : And most Linux users i've seen run as root.
> :>
> :> I find that hard to believe, since I've never seen *any* Linux user
> :> run as root, but, if that's really the case, you should be able to fix
> :> that problem yourself with minimal effort. :)
>
> : It's easy to run as root. Most users don't understand the security issues.
> : When you don't run as root, you need to worry about file privs and such.
> : It's a pain to su all the time.
>
> Once you get on the net, you *will* be portscanned, and once a
> portscan finds a way to do something nasty as root, you *will* be
> cracked. Once you're cracked, at least in the way that people usually
> are cracked (i.e., by "script kiddiez"), you will soon find out.
>
> Many net services including IRC simply refuse to connect to users who
> appear to be running as root, for their own protection.
>
> Yes, su is a pain, but it's a very small one compared to the pain of
Only for the uncreative:
[Normal user prompt here]$ su # become root temporarily
# xterm & # pop up an xterm under root ID.
# exit # go back to normal user account.
[Normal user prompt here]$
> being convincingly cracked, and most folks learn that very quickly.
>
> Joe
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!?
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:46:04 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >John Hong wrote:
> >>
> >> "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> >Come on Erik, Corel didn't start to kill off its Linux stuff until Microsoft
> >> >went to them. It wasn't profitable, because everyone on Linux either uses
> >> >Staroffice/Openoffice, or vi or emacs. I for one am not sad to see Corel go.
> >>
> >> I am sad to see Corel go and I think more Linux users should be
> >> too. Linux would be better served with Corel than without, IMO. Their
> >> only mistake was trying to make their own Linux distribution. They would
> >> have better served the Linux community in refining their applications
> >> without needing WINE and providing a push for the already established
> >> Linux distro's.
> >
> >I see another anti-trust action coming...
> >
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
>
> I will answer.
>
> Question "Is Bill Gates MAD?"
>
> The man lives in a custom built house with a TV screen on
> virtually every wall and the entire house is run by
> Windows technology.
>
> I don't think MAD is quite the word to describe this situation.
>
> Most crazy people have a obsession for the thing their crazy
> about. Adolf and Eva had a special lamp. Bill Gates has
> a special house.
>
Rather common among megalomaniacs.
Hitler wanted all of Europe under his control.
Gates wants EVERY FINANCIAL TRANSACTION IN THE WORLD under his control.
> You tell me.
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:46:54 -0500
JSPL wrote:
>
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Mon, 01 Jan 2001 01:28:58 GMT, Chad Myers
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >> No, you claimed that the Democrats were trying to "subvert the rule of
> > >> law."
> > >
> > >Which they were. You didn't even answer the claims, instead stooping to
> > >name calling.
> >
> > How is going to court "subverting" the rule of law? I've always been
> > under the impression that you went to court to get an interpretation of
> > the law, not to subvert it. Subverting would involve something
> > extra-legal, such as paying off the people counting the ballots or
> > voting on behalf of dead people.
> >
> > Maybe I missed a civics lesson someplace where they defined lawsuits as
> > "subversion".
>
> Well lets see, a law on the books in Florida stated that the the Secretary
> of State SHALL certify the results by a certain date. The Florida Supreme
> court issued an order stating that the Secretary of State SHALL NOT certify
> by that date. I'd call that "subverting" the existing law, not
> "interpreting" it.
And the US Supreme Court said the same :-)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft deemed security threat to U.S.
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:47:39 -0500
Glitch wrote:
>
> kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> > C2 achieved when un-networked! once networked, ya might as well throw
> > the dandy little certificate out the door.
>
> what's the point of certifying an OS for security if you are certifying
> it when it's unnetworked? It's damn near pointless.
Microshaft still has faith in sneakernet.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:48:22 -0500
billh wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> > Tell us again how American medics were never shot by the Germans,
> Japanese,
> > North Koreans, Chinese, Viet Cong, nor North Vietnamese, because they
> > are protected by a magic force field, or something...
>
> A lie oft repeated does not become the truth, except in KuKu land.
Why do you keep denying your initial reason for opposing to me?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:48:30 -0500
billh wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> > Tell us again how American medics were never shot by the Germans,
> Japanese,
> > North Koreans, Chinese, Viet Cong, nor North Vietnamese, because they
> > are protected by a magic force field, or something...
>
> A lie oft repeated does not become the truth, except in KuKu land.
Why do you keep denying your initial reason for opposing to me?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:56:53 -0500
J Sloan wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > Indeed it did. Yet, somehow a Windows NT machine that crashes daily doesn't
> > have something wrong with it?
>
> Nothing that could be fixed by an army of onsite MCSE
> and microsoft reps. And I didn't say it crashes daily, I
> said it crashed at inopportune times, and the consensus
> from the microsoft experts was a daily therapeutic reboot.
With Microshat LoseDOS and LoseDOS Neutered Technology....it IS required.
>
> > > I know that this is strong medicine for someone like yourself,
> > > and you may choose to disbelive it. If I find the spare time I
> > > will see if I can locate an online reference.
> >
> > You made the claim. Back it up.
>
> my aren't we paranoid.
>
> > > The windows machine that only runs the database needed
> > > to be reboted nightly. That's also standard practice at web
> > > server farms where they have "green acres" windows nt
> > > installations to try to provide uptime even though individual
> > > nt boxes blue screen at various times. It has been found better
> > > to do a therapeutic nightly reboot at a scheduled time rather
> > > than have windows nt lock up at some random and possibly
> > > inconvenient time.
> >
> > And you know this how?
>
> I work in the industry. I talk to people. I've been a webmaster
> and system administrator for years.
>
> > I'm sure the Windows machines were 9x based. Right?
>
> I'll admit the nt boxes were less trouble than other windows
> systems.
>
> > > Because I've worked with Linux and other Unices,
> > > as well as windows, for years. I know how they behave
> > > in everyday, real life production environments. and I'm
> > > telling you, the Linux systems (and FreeBSD and others)
> > > let me sleep solidly. The windows systems are the ones
> > > that blue screen at 3 AM.
> >
> > Always in the middle of the night. Strange, isn't it?
>
> No, they will blue screen at other times, but it's the
> 3 AM blue screens that stick in ones memory.
>
> > Sure, however there are still far fewer of those than all NT (including
> > Workstations).
>
> Since over 60% of the webservers on the internet are Unix,
> and 75% of the mailservers are Unix, and 80% of the high
> end databases are running on Unix, where do you get the
> idea that unix is outnumbered there by windows nt?
The idea was formulated in his rectum.
>
> jjs
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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