Linux-Advocacy Digest #213, Volume #31 Wed, 3 Jan 01 09:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("William L. Hartzell")
Re: Why Hatred? (mlw)
Re: Why Hatred? (mlw)
Re: Nobody wants LoseDOS because it destroys hard disks. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptimes ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Conclusion ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptimes ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code (JM)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (JM)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:44:18 +0200
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> pub10.ezboard.com web2news.pl wrote:
> >U812
> >
>
> Microsoft is responsible for canned drives where
> you end up paying for Windows even if you don't
> want it.
>
> They are responsible for making proprietary formats
> for Internet and data storage purposes which end
> up locking in customers to Microsoft only markets.
>
> They are responsible for cheapening computer hardware
> in the form of Win products which are inferior to
> regular products as they rely on YOUR CPU power to
> power the peripheral!
They do the same thing, right?
They cost *much* less.
The customer can easily find out why the price differ so much.
So I can buy a cheap, fully functional hardware, or another on much higher
cost.
Why would I've to pay for the costly hardware?
> Microsoft is responsible for creating a mass slave
> market of MSCE thru their licensing programs, a
> program established so that Microsoft alone can
> DEEM you UNFITT to hold a license and deny it
> no matter how intelligent you are or how much
> money you might have. If you don't have a license
> then you are simply doomed to work in another field!
False.
They want you to pass their tests, so you've a minimal amount of information
about the platform you are dealing with.
It's by no means different than other titles which companies grant.
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From: "William L. Hartzell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:58:21 GMT
Tim:
Funny definition of fragmentation. You order it very well and call it
fragmented?
Bill
Tim Smith wrote:
>
> David T. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >This is the first time I have ever seen anyone claim that fragmentation
> >is beneficial. The disk head may be jumping around the disk but it will
>
> I once made Netscape launch much faster on my system be carefully
> increasing the fragmentation. If you log all the I/O at the file level
> during a Netscape launch (or a Word launch, for that matter, or most
> other large Windows programs), what you see if that it reads some from
> the main EXE file, then reads a little from several DLLs, then reads
> some from several FONT files, then more more the main EXE, then maybe
> more from the DLLs, and so on. It will have maybe 10 or so files open,
> and it is jumping all over between them. By fragmenting my disk so that
> those files were on the disk in the order and sizes of the reads, the
> Netscape launch sequence was made something like 3 or 4 times faster.
>
> --Tim Smith
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:03:13 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>From the late 1970's (has it been that long already???)
>
> Real Programmers don't document...user's should be grateful to even
> have the software in the first place
>
> Real Programmers don't write in FORTRAN...that's for pipe stress
> freaks and crystallography weenies
>
> Real Programmers don't write in PL/1...because ANYBODY can be obscure in PL/1
>
Real Programmers don't eat quiche. They like twinkies, coke and
palate-scorching Szechwan food.
Real Programmers don't write applications programs. They program
right down on the bare metal. Applications
programming is for the dullards who can't do systems programming.
Real Programmers don't write specs. Users should be grateful for
whatever they get: they are lucky to get any
programs at all.
Real Programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write,
it should be hard to understand and harder to
modify.
Real Programmers don't document. Documentation is for simpletons who
can't read listings or the object code
from the dump.
Real Programmers don't draw flowcharts. Flowcharts are the
illiterate's form of documentation. Cavemen drew
flowcharts; look at how much good it did for them.
Real Programmers don't read manuals. Reliance on a reference manual
is the hallmark of the novice and the
coward.
Real Programmers don't write in RPG. RPG is for gum-chewing dimwits
who maintain ancient payroll programs.
Real Programmers don't write in COBOL. COBOL is for COmmon
Business-Oriented Laymen who can't run a
business, much less write a real program.
Real Programmers don't write in FORTRAN. FORTRAN is for wimp
engineers who wear white socks. They get
excited over finite state analysis and nuclear reactor simulation.
Real Programmers don't write in PL/1. PL/1 is for insecure
anal-retentives who can't choose between COBOL and
FORTRAN.
Real Programmers don't write in BASIC. Actually, no programmer
writes in BASIC after reaching puberty.
Real Programmers don't write in APL, unless the whole program can be
written on one line.
Real Programmers don't write in LISP. Only idiots' programs contain
more parenthesis than actual code.
Real Programmers don't write in PASCAL, BLISS, ADA, or any of those
other sissy computer science languages.
Strong typing is the crutch for people with weak minds.
Real Programmers' programs never work right the first time. But if
you throw them on the machine they can be
patched into working order in "only a few" 30-hour debugging
sessions.
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are
around at 9:00 am, its because they were up all
night.
Real Programmers don't play tennis, or any other sport which
requires a change of clothes. Mountain Climbing is
acceptable. Real Programmers wear climbing boots to work in case a
mountain should suddenly spring up in the
middle of the machine room.
Real Programmers disdain structured programming. Structured
programming is for compulsive neurotics who
were permanently toilet trained. They wear neckties and carefully
line up sharp pencils on an otherwise clear desk.
Real Programmers don't like the team programming concept. Unless, of
course they are the chief programmer.
Real Programmers never write memos on paper. They send memos via
computer mail networks.
Real Programmers have no use for managers. Managers are a necessary
evil. They exist only to deal with personnel
bozos, bean counters, senior planners, and other mental defectives.
Real Programmers scorn floating point arithmetic. The decimal point
was invented for pansy bedwetters who are
unable to "think big."
Real Programmers don't drive clapped-out Mavericks. They prefer
BMW's, Lincolns, or pick up trucks with floor
shifts. Fast motorcycles are highly regarded.
Real Programmers don't believe in schedules. Planners make up
schedules. Managers "firm up" schedules.
Frightened coders strive to meet schedules. Real Programmers ignore
schedules.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:45:44 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Donn Miller wrote:
> >
> > "Form@C" wrote:
> >
> > > All very true. The problem is that the Windows approach has become a
> > > standard (of sorts) by sheer weight of numbers, in spite of being a closed-
> > > source system.
> >
> > Very well put. Microsoft had been a standard for many years, esp. 1994
>
> it's a "de facto" standard, as opposed to a REAL standard.
>
I remember being in a Solutions Provider seminar for where the
presenter, when asked about existing standards, said "Windows is so big,
it defines the standards." It sent a chill through the group.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants LoseDOS because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:50:49 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> >
> > Typing "help" under the console seems to bring up a list of commands.
> >
>
> liar
For more information on a specific command, type HELP command-name.
ASSOC Displays or modifies file extension associations
AT Schedules commands and programs to run on a computer.
ATTRIB Displays or changes file attributes.
BREAK Sets or clears extended CTRL+C checking.
CACLS Displays or modifies access control lists (ACLs) of files.
CALL Calls one batch program from another.
CD Displays the name of or changes the current directory.
CHCP Displays or sets the active code page number.
CHDIR Displays the name of or changes the current directory.
CHKDSK Checks a disk and displays a status report.
CHKNTFS Displays or modifies the checking of disk at boot time.
CLS Clears the screen.
CMD Starts a new instance of the Windows 2000 command interpreter.
COLOR Sets the default console foreground and background colors.
COMP Compares the contents of two files or sets of files.
COMPACT Displays or alters the compression of files on NTFS partitions.
CONVERT Converts FAT volumes to NTFS. You cannot convert the
current drive.
COPY Copies one or more files to another location.
DATE Displays or sets the date.
DEL Deletes one or more files.
DIR Displays a list of files and subdirectories in a directory.
DISKCOMP Compares the contents of two floppy disks.
DISKCOPY Copies the contents of one floppy disk to another.
DOSKEY Edits command lines, recalls Windows 2000 commands, and creates
macros.
ECHO Displays messages, or turns command echoing on or off.
ENDLOCAL Ends localization of environment changes in a batch file.
ERASE Deletes one or more files.
EXIT Quits the CMD.EXE program (command interpreter).
FC Compares two files or sets of files, and displays the differences
between them.
FIND Searches for a text string in a file or files.
FINDSTR Searches for strings in files.
FOR Runs a specified command for each file in a set of files.
FORMAT Formats a disk for use with Windows 2000.
FTYPE Displays or modifies file types used in file extension
associations.
GOTO Directs the Windows 2000 command interpreter to a labeled line in a
batch program.
GRAFTABL Enables Windows 2000 to display an extended character set in
graphics
mode.
HELP Provides Help information for Windows 2000 commands.
IF Performs conditional processing in batch programs.
LABEL Creates, changes, or deletes the volume label of a disk.
MD Creates a directory.
MKDIR Creates a directory.
MODE Configures a system device.
MORE Displays output one screen at a time.
MOVE Moves one or more files from one directory to another directory.
PATH Displays or sets a search path for executable files.
PAUSE Suspends processing of a batch file and displays a message.
POPD Restores the previous value of the current directory saved by
PUSHD.
PRINT Prints a text file.
PROMPT Changes the Windows 2000 command prompt.
PUSHD Saves the current directory then changes it.
RD Removes a directory.
RECOVER Recovers readable information from a bad or defective disk.
REM Records comments (remarks) in batch files or CONFIG.SYS.
REN Renames a file or files.
RENAME Renames a file or files.
REPLACE Replaces files.
RMDIR Removes a directory.
SET Displays, sets, or removes Windows 2000 environment variables.
SETLOCAL Begins localization of environment changes in a batch file.
SHIFT Shifts the position of replaceable parameters in batch files.
SORT Sorts input.
START Starts a separate window to run a specified program or command.
SUBST Associates a path with a drive letter.
TIME Displays or sets the system time.
TITLE Sets the window title for a CMD.EXE session.
TREE Graphically displays the directory structure of a drive or path.
TYPE Displays the contents of a text file.
VER Displays the Windows 2000 version.
VERIFY Tells Windows 2000 whether to verify that your files are written
correctly to a disk.
VOL Displays a disk volume label and serial number.
XCOPY Copies files and directory trees.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:52:00 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:kWy46.53665$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Yes there is a list of commands, but they don't have much to do with
> administering the machine. Where do I find the command that would
> add or remove an ip addresses for example. There is one, but where
> do I find it and it's documentation?
ipconfig
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:56:18 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:16:11 +0200
> <92pu5s$l0j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >"Form@C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >> now there's a big PKB! ....tell me, do you also laugh at "00100101"?
> >> >
> >> >Only an idiot would ask such a question.
> >> >
> >>
> >> And you really think that acronyms such as "GNU" and "YAST" were
devised
> >> without a sense of humour? There *is* humour in unix/Linux but it can
be
> >> strangely warped...
> >
> >curses.h, too.
>
> Wasn't invented by Linux. That was around (and cursed at) during
> my time at college (1980).
So was most of the thinks that Linux has.
> >I'm assuming that the name givers thought that UI is the hardest part of
> >most programs as well.
>
> Well-done UI, yes. Badly-done UI is easy :-).
LOL
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:56:59 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Form@C" wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > <snip>
> > >>
> > >> now there's a big PKB! ....tell me, do you also laugh at "00100101"?
> > >
> > >Only an idiot would ask such a question.
> > >
> >
> > And you really think that acronyms such as "GNU" and "YAST" were devised
> > without a sense of humour? There *is* humour in unix/Linux but it can be
> > strangely warped...
>
> Hell, the name UNIX itself is a pun.
Of what?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:03:49 +0200
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 04:02:59 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:21:53 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Making a counter is not a trivial task to most people.
> >>
> >> Yes, that's why most reputable ISP's and web hosting companies provide
> >> one.
>
> >I'm not aware of such an offer on my ISPs (first or secord and third
> >largest in the country), but I'm using them for home uses,
>
> Hmmm...I was pretty familiar with about four ISP's back in Utah (as I
> knew the owners personally) and all of them offered some kind of counter
> thing. Did you ask them? Sometimes they don't go out of their way to
> advertise it.
No, I currently don't have a site on the web, and when I will, I don't
intend to host it on anyone's servers by my own.
ADSL is starting to be a reality here, sometimes in the next century I might
even get one for myself :)
> My site is currently on Hurricane Electric, and I think they have one
> too, but since I don't use a counter I haven't investigated. Counters
> are lame.
>
>
> >And I've recently been hired to do a site hosted at one of the largest
> >bussiness oriented ISPs here, it was a *horrible* experiance.
>
> [no telnet]
> >The reason I was given? It's not safe to do so.
>
> Well, it isn't. Clear text passwords. Plus lots of ISP's don't like
> shell accounts either because of the cracker factor (it is much harder
> to secure a server that has shell users). Be that as it may, a place
> that is after business web sites and charges business rates really ought
> to offer them anyway and live with the admin overhead of keeping up with
> patches. Not doing that equals not giving the customer his money's
> worth.
Yeah, that was what I was angry about.
> Sounds like I would have been unhappy with them as well.
>
>
> >Turned out that they don't support PHP or any other web languague on
their
> >Solaris box.
>
> Hurricane Electric <http://www.he.net/>. They run Linux (it appears to
> be Slackware with a number of hardening patches) and offer PHP, cgi-bin,
> and MySQL. They provide shell accounts with ssh and telnet access plus
> log summaries available via web. No rsync, but I was able to install my
> own copy, so I've got automated mirroring from the copy of the site on
> one of my home machines.
I would rather have local ISP, better communications that way if you need to
shout at them (which, in my case, you need.
> >It wasn't hard to convince the client to move the site to an NT box to
get
> >dynamic content for the site, even thought I'd to redo half my work
because
> >of it.
>
> I suppose not. But that's a failing of the provider you had, not
> Solaris per se. Sounds like a half-assed operation to me.
They managed to screw up NT as well.
After the got ASP to work, and after I converted all the site to VBS, I
found out that their server don't support "Application.Contents.Remove"
To those of you that are unfamiliar with ASP, this is similar to free() in C
> >This isn't a story bashing *nix vs NT/2K or whatever, this is just an
> >example to show you that ISPs aren't the same everywhere.
>
> Of course not. That's why there is more than one <g>.
And soon, I hope.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:22:25 +0200
"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92tcpa$fg4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <92t60a$cks$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> [snip]
>
> > > > This way, the config file itself is the one who stores all the
> > > > options. If a new version, with new options, comes out, the same
> > > > tool, with absolutely no
> > > > modifications, be able to handle it.
> > >
> > > And probably screw it to death. Really.
> >
> > Not likely, not if both file & application are built correctly.
> > Why would it screw it?
>
> Because although it knows the options change, it has no idea of
> HOW they change. For example, if optionA is now deprecated, and
> those who set optionA to valueA should now set optionB to valueB,
> it won't know, and it will (in Gus Grissom's words) screw the pooch.
The program doesn't need to remember the settings, it read them from the
file.
A new version will update the file, and should covert the old file format to
the new format with more/less/updated options.
The configurator isn't interested in the new/old/update file, all it does is
read the options from the file and present the user with UI for them.
> Since you will have to validate the program against every revision of
> every program it is supposed to configure (except the first one, I
> guess), you just lost a big chunk of the savings.
No, I don't think so, if they all use the same file format (or versions of
it which the configurator support), then you don't need to test, just make
sure that the files conform to the format.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:27:40 +0200
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > Then I would say that both you and they are incompotent NT
administrators.
>
> I'm a Unix admin, I thought I made that clear -
> The windows reboots are handled by others.
You said that *you* had to get up in 3AM to reboot a BSOD NT
A> An NT server would reboot automatically if BSOD and resume operation
within minutes.
B> If it doesn't, and you know *nothing* about NT, you turn to Google.com
"reboot nt automatically on BSOD"
Go to either the first or second result
http://www.regedit.com/Enhancements/Windows_NT_and_2000/ (will bring you to
the second on)
http://www.regedit.com/detail/229.html
And they will explain you how to do it quickly and easily.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:42:16 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:15:50
> [...]
> >> >Found another one.
> >> >www.walmart.com
> >>
> >> Another one WHAT, Ayende?
> >
> >Check this one in netcraft.
>
> Why?
Adam Ruth asked about sites which displayed unbelivable resutls.
I gave two so far.
Netware + IIS
Linux + IIS
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:44:34 +0200
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:30z46.382$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Of course. Many people have written IFS' including Veritas with their
Veritas
> File Storage system (or whatever it's called). Many digital camera and
removable
> storage device manufacturers write them all the time. There was an Ext2
driver
> for NT 4.0 written. I have the site written down somewhere if you're
interested.
I'm interested.
The only one that I've found was read-only, with BIG warning signs about
writing.
They were right, too, trying to write to the ext2 partition kill the FS.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:49:14 +0200
"JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:92t60g$cks$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > > The only thing I've seen are either an inability to display uptime or
> > > wildly impossible to believe number such as 13 or so pollings on a
> server
> > > showing time since last reboot to be "zero". (sauder.com). Or the
> assinine
> > > assumption that Netcraft is the only entity on earth that seems to be
> > aware
> > > of all these popular sites going down every few days.
> >
> > www.walmart.com
>
> I wasn't aware IIs 5.0 had been ported to Linux. Sounds fishy to me :-)
It wasn't.
The server identify itself as IIS5, btw.
But trying to go to http://www.walmart.com/thispagedoesnotexist.gsp
The response isn't unlike *anything* that I've seen coming from IIS
Not to mention that the file path is totally un-windows one.
> They appear to be using a shopping program called cart.gsp and most web
> pages use the extension .gsp. Anyone have any info on what that is?
GSP stand for GNU Server Pages
A Java servlet which storngly resemeble ASP
http://www.bitmechanic.com/projects/gsp/
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:52:08 +0200
"Sgt Detritus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92ua5l$8n6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <ZjO26.47666$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [snips]
> >
> I have seen a sig which sums up my opinion of mister Bjarnason's
> commentary on the "register's" article.
> "you could spend hours counting the petals on a flower
> you could spend years counting the veins in each petal
> you could spend lifetimes counting the cells...
> and you would have completely missed the point, you f***head"
> The point of the whole article seems to be that M$ (a shortened and
> derogatory reference to the unethically run REDMOND, WA based software
> company Microsoft, for the twits in the bunch) wants to encourage the
> use of an inexpensive "dummy" terminal. the significance is that the
> BEAST (see M$, above) would have control over and access to anything
> that one would store in a PC on site, private, business crucial, or
> not. We may not "technically" own the software that runs on our PC's,
> but at least it is as secure and private as we choose to make it. NO-
> ONE, NOT EVEN THE "OWNERS" of the software, has access should we so
> choose (you can always sever a 'net connection). the implications are
> fairly obvious from this point on. For further reference, perhaps one
> should read 1984 by George Orwell.
Boring, I read Terry Prachett & eat Carrot instead.
> Any man agitated enough to lift a 300lb. ape
> without noticing is a man with way too much on
> his mind.
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:56:57 +0200
On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:54:35 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)) wrote:
>Are you seriously saying that a business should train every one of its
>computer users to use a CLI? That if those users can't use a CLI then they
>are in the wrong job because "That's their own fault"? Just think beyond
>your own, blinkered vision in your ivory tower. There are *millions* of
>computer users out there! Microsoft has produced a nice, comfortable
>interface to the OS for them. How do you expect to entice them away from it
>and back to a command line? Do you really think that businesses care *how*
>their word processors work as long as the *do*, as cheaply as possible and
>with the absolute minimum of training?
>
>CLIs are great for servers. Currently you *need* the control that they can
>give - a GUI can help with the more mundane tasks though. Please don't take
>us back to the time of DOS though, when everything was done through a CLI
>and batch files. We have progressed a long way since then, lets *use* the
>technology to its best advantage, by *improving* the user interface and
>hiding the OS as much as possible.
What??? You'd rather lose gigabytes of software and data whenever your
operating system fucks up than learn to use a simple CLI?
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:56:58 +0200
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:45:55 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>NT has always had tab completion, it's just not turned on by default.
>
>http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs/mail/1.30.97-7.30.97/1601
>.html
>
>As usual, you Linux advocates don't know what you're talking about when it
>comes to what you criticize.
Wow! It has TAB COMPLETION!!! Fuck me! That's amazing! Next you'll be
telling me that you can choose not to use the GUI!
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