Linux-Advocacy Digest #264, Volume #31 Fri, 5 Jan 01 08:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Bob Eager)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Bob Eager)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Bob Eager)
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Bob Eager)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz")
Re: Would Linux be invented if? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("David
Brown")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Nick Saxon")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (*)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz")
Re: OEditors: Xedit vs. vi or emacs ("Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz")
Re: RPM Hell (Richard Thrippleton)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:07:23 -0500
Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >Still sucks rocks compared to vi and emacs.
>
> Yay -- an editor holy war! ;-)
>
> I agree that vi and emacs are good editors, but I personally preferred
> SOS and then EDT on the VAXen in college, and nowadays I use FTE (DOS,
> OS/2, Linux) almost exclusively on these little boxes instead of vim or
> emacs. I like FTE's Qedit-like (TDE-like?) interface a bit better.
>
> I've used text editors on platforms ranging from CDC Cybers to VAXen to
> UNIVAC 1100's to Trash-80's to Intel PCs to Unix flavors to Macs, and
> it always amazes me how many different (and yet strangely effective)
> text-editing paradigms there are.
>
> Some folks have really WEIRD ideas about editing text! :-)
IBM is apparently unaware that PUNCH CARDS were virtually phased out over 10 years
ago...
>
> --
> -Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Eden Prairie, MN
> OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
> + PC/GEOS + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
> HA HAH HA HAH HAH <SMACK> ... oof ...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Eager)
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Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 05 Jan 2001 12:08:58 GMT
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 04:19:28, Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> ALL is sort of like a find all. It displays all lines containing the
> specified pattern. But instead of simply moving to a line that matches the
> pattern, it displays all lines that match.
Very neat...
--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Eager)
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Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 05 Jan 2001 12:09:04 GMT
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:57:21, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> see the /g suffix (i.e. apply GLOBALLY) for : commands.
First of all, the /g suffix applies only to a SINGLE line; it enables
multiple replacement within one line. To do to all lines matching a
pattern, you use the g/ PREFIX.
Second, it falls far short of what ALL does.
Doesn't sound like you've used either editor much...
--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Eager)
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Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 05 Jan 2001 12:09:08 GMT
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:00:03, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> If you merely want to SEE the lines that match your pattern:
>
> :r ! grep [pattern]
Oh dear. How about just
g/pattern/p
> non-matching lines
v/pattern/p
but XEDIT's ALL does much more than that.
--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:08:40 -0500
David Brown wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >David Brown wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> No they can't - most users don't know if their modem is real or not.
> >
> >That's because they didn't bother to find out.
> >
>
> Some do try to find out. They ask the people at they computer shop before
> buying - is this a real modem? And they guy in the shop says yea, sure it
> is, even though he doesn't know. Many winmodems are very poorly marked, and
> many system builders give their dealers too little information. For a great
> many "complete" PC systems, the customer has very little information about
> what is actually in the box, and even if their dealers are capable of
> reading the manuals, they don't know either.
Look to see what UART is listed on the box.
If there's no UART, then it's a LoseModem.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Eager)
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Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 05 Jan 2001 12:13:46 GMT
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:11:44, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> And if you aren't aware that the 3270 has an embedded microprocessor
> that is running IBM-written SOFTWARE, then you're quite naive.
I am aware. Makes no difference. You can't assume that the firmware in
every last terminal is up to date.
> You've never heard of embedded software withing hardware devices, have
> you.
Only in so far as I've written some...
> Want to know the PRIMARY difference between IDE and SCSI hard drives?
> The software in the ROM chips on the drive's circuit board.
And the line drivers. And the interface hardware. You are naive if you
think otherwise.
Digression is a sign of losing an argument!
--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:14:17 -0500
Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >Why should I need a MANUAL to use a damn terminal????
>
> Some terminals are more vastly intelligent than others.
Yes, but should I be REQUIRED To read a terminal manual just to edit a file
without being subjected to idiotic behavior?
According to the XEDIT crowd, the answer is yes.
Considering that it has been 20 years since I first used an 3270 terminal,
and have used them at FOUR different facilities...I have NEVER ONCE EVEN
***SEEN*** a 3270 manual.
Now..how smart is it to write an editor in such a way that to get
non-insane behavior, one must first read a hardware manual that is
nowhere to be found?
Or, conversely, why do IBM reps not make a point of telling their
customer base that the 3270 manual is essential reading for anybody
who edits files?
>
> The UTS20 and UTS60 terminals that we use to connect to the Unisys
> mainframe hosts, for example, do all editing (including character and
> line/column insertions and deletions) locally on the terminal screen,
> and are capable of doing protection (the cursor won't go there), text
> alignment, and even enforcement of alpha or numeric content locally
> on a field-by-field basis.
>
> The network and the host machine isn't involved in any of those things.
> Only when the Transmit key or selection function keys are hit is any
> sort of signal sent outside the terminal itself because the base UTS is
> intelligent enough to interpret the field descriptors that the host
> painted on its screen.
>
> Don't assume that all terminals are patterned after DEC's brain-dead
> streaming VT-xxx designs...
>
> >Again.....the very notion that one should need a manual for a terminal
> >is indicative of the sorry level of programming standards at IBM.
>
> Your apparent assumption that all things follow the common UNIX pattern
> may indicate a lack of experience with more complex terminal hardware.
Here's a clue for you:
I programmed on IBM mainframes for THREE YEARS before I ever even saw
a terminal connected to a Unix machine.
>
> --
> -Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Eden Prairie, MN
> OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
> + PC/GEOS + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
> "I like camping", he said intently...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:13:01 -0500
In <9335b4$5uf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/04/2001
at 07:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Brock) said:
>The ALL command is
>incredibly useful, and I really miss it in vi. As far as I know you
>will only find it in Xedit derived editors
There are comparable facilities in ISPF. Not close enough for an easy
translation in either direction, however.
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From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:09:32 -0500
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/04/2001
at 07:09 PM, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>/g stands for GLOBAL.
Which part of "That's not what the ALL command does" don't you
understand?
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From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:08:36 -0500
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/04/2001
at 06:53 PM, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>So, in other words, the idiotic behavior of IBM XEDIT is due to the
>idiotic behavior of the IBM 3270 terminal, which is determined by the
>idiotic software written by IBM programmers.
ROTF,LMAO! The behavior of the 3270 is determined by the way that it
is desgned, not by the software. The software can't change that
behavior, only program to it. Next I suppose that you'll blame the
software because your 3270 doesn't play music?
>I fail to see how this absolves IBM of responsibility
Another red herring; nobody said that it absolves IBM of
responsibility. YOU WERE THE ONE DEFENDING IBM'S HARDWARE!
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would Linux be invented if?
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:28:56 +0100
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> Ah yes...the VW Beetle...revived because so many hippy-dippy baby boomers
> (who profess to hate anything Nazi) were sooooo fond of the original
> Nazi-mobile.
>
> (Not only do they like the Nazi-mobile, they are also fond of Nazi-style
> restrictions on speech, religion, and gun-ownership....go figure).
>
I take exception to that, you asshole! I am german and anything else then a
nazi.
I do not call every american a fucking racist just because you had racism
in the USA until the mid-60s even by law.
Just notice that a lot of nazi-sites are situated in the US because in
germany they are forbidden by law
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:32:54 +0100
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>David Brown wrote:
>>
>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >David Brown wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No they can't - most users don't know if their modem is real or not.
>> >
>> >That's because they didn't bother to find out.
>> >
>>
>> Some do try to find out. They ask the people at they computer shop
before
>> buying - is this a real modem? And they guy in the shop says yea, sure
it
>> is, even though he doesn't know. Many winmodems are very poorly marked,
and
>> many system builders give their dealers too little information. For a
great
>> many "complete" PC systems, the customer has very little information
about
>> what is actually in the box, and even if their dealers are capable of
>> reading the manuals, they don't know either.
>
>Look to see what UART is listed on the box.
>
>If there's no UART, then it's a LoseModem.
>
You really are naive, aren't you? Lots of real and win modems say
absolutely nothing on the box. Lots of real and win modems say on the box
that they emulate a 16550 uart, or have a 16550-compatible uart (very, very
few have a real physical 16550 chip these days). There is no correlation.
If the modem is external, and connects to a serial port, then it must be a
real modem. That is the surest way to tell (it is also safer - you can turn
it off, so your computer does not decide by itself that it will ring your
ISP without telling you). For internal modems, documentation and
information is often very misleading.
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From: "Nick Saxon" <n-dot-saxon-at-mindspring-dot-com>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:44:21 -0500 (EST)
Reply-To: "Nick Saxon" <n-dot-saxon-at-mindspring-dot-com>
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 03:43:48 -0600, Richard Steiner wrote:
>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Brock)
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>Having used both extensively I have to agree. In particular I miss
>>the "ALL" command in Xedit, which has no counterpart in any other
>>editor I've used.
>
>From your description, it sounds like a very nice feature. Sounds like
>it enables someone to temporarily isolate a set of lines which match a
>search criteria in a temporary editing area for selective editing, and
>then remerges the changes into the original text when the ALL command
>is terminated.
FYI: ALL is implemented in EPM.
>
>That wasn't my initial impression. Thanks!
>
>--
> -Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Eden Prairie, MN
> OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
> + PC/GEOS + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
> Why mow it when it's soooo much more fun to smoke it?
Nick
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From: * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:01:32 GMT
JM wrote:
> >> > well stop asserting. easily 60% of the population uses their computers for
> >> > 1 of 3 things: web browsing, game playing and entertainment, or multimedia
> >> > development.
> >> >
> >> >all 3 are things linux does worst.
>
> >> Oh, is that really what most companies expect their employees to do with
> >> the computers on every desktop?
>
> >actually, if you read closely , those numbers were regarding the general
> >population.
>
> Since when does the general population do "multimedia development"?
ahh. that's a good point actually.
i could say that it seems that most everyone has a website these days, but that
would be pushing it. and anyway from the looks of it they don't make much use of
the software available for that purpose.
so ok. the general population plays a lot of games and spends a lot of time
browsing the internet.
still seems to me that it takes more work and for less reward to do these things
on linux than other platforms.
is there an actual breakdown published from some reliable source that has any
numbers on what computer users use their computers for, generally speaking?
it's getting kinda silly with everyone just making up numbers in here.
or quoting USA Today..
hm. -kK
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From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:02:10 -0500
In <c1.2b5.2YrH7b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/05/2001
at 05:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>A little pricey for me, but Xedit on OS/2 :
>http://www.kedit.com/features.ia2.html
Alas, no. A fine product, but by no strectch of the imagination is it
an XEDIT clone.
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From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:00:42 -0500
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/05/2001
at 04:15 AM, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Seems strange, considering that the microprocessor was 10-year old
>technology by the time the 3270 was released.
ROTF,LMAO! Not even close.
>Limitations due to the idiotic programming of the embedded
>microprocessor at the heart of a 3270 terminal.
The one that exists only in your head. Just because current models use
a CPU doesn't mean that the old ones did. Back then it was not an
option.
>Until IBM got a current CEO, their concern for customers' needs was
>hardly any better than Microsoft's....
Are you claiming that Gerstner is attentive to customers' needs?
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From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OEditors: Xedit vs. vi or emacs
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:53:21 -0500
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/05/2001
at 03:56 AM, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Are you saying that the 3270 doesnt have a microprocessor buried
>inside of it?
Free clue: look up the announcement year of the 3277, then check on
the microprocessor market for that year.
>You really are naive.
You really are bent and determined to show everyone just how much of a
fool you are.
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From: Richard Thrippleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM Hell
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:04:58 +0000
BradyBear wrote:
> Well, I decided to give KDE 2.0.1 a shot. So I downloaded all the
> relevent rpm,s. But before I can install my shiny new desktop, I need
> to install the latest version of QT. So, I go grab QT2.2.3. Great. Got
> the rpm, type rpm -i and I get failed dependancies... qt needs lib.so
> this and that etc. So I do a search on rpmfind and find three packages
> that I need. Package one needs me to upgrade rpm. So I go get the rpm
> update. Package one now installs. Package two still needs another
> lib.so.etc. Installing pakage three will break App A. So now I need
> to upgrade App A and the whole damn thing starts over (more failed
> dependencies, more broken app's) and the whole thing escalates
> exponentially until I've basically had to update the whole damn OS.
> The whole time I'm doing this, I keep thinking of the last line from
> the movie "The Bridge over the River Kwie" ... Madness...Madness.
> And it seems appropriate. Build a bridge so you can blow it up.
> That's Linux
That's not Linux, just one crappy utility. Perhaps your last line
should have read "That's the Redhat Install Wizard". If you need a job
doing properly, do it yourself, without depending on some hugely
complicated program to do it all for you. I used to use something similar
in the Debian package manager, but became hugely disgruntled after I
discovered all the useless trash and unnecessary 'dependencies' it had
installed. And after I once made the 'mistake' of trying to move a binary
to somewhere I'd prefer to have it, the entire package manager broke, and
spent ages complaining about broken packages every single time I wanted a
new application. But now I've learnt my lesson; I stay in _control_, and
install manually from source. It gives me optimised code, put exactly
where I want it, without having to rely on some dumbed down
'userfriendly' utility. It's a method that's definitely worth a try.
Oh, and just out of interest, what did QT depend on? I've taken a
look and all it seems to need are some standard X libraries, with the
only slightly out of the ordinary dependency being the C++ library.
Richard
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