Linux-Advocacy Digest #473, Volume #31 Mon, 15 Jan 01 00:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant (Lewis Miller)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (Gary Hallock)
Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$% ("Adam Warner")
Re: Why Linux won't get far in Luxembourg's comapanies. (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Gary Hallock)
Re: More Linux woes (mlw)
Re: More Linux woes (Bob Hauck)
Re: One case where Linux has the edge (Bob Hauck)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Bob Hauck)
Re: More Linux woes (mlw)
Re: Windows 2000 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: One case where Linux has the edge (Gary Hallock)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: The Server Saga ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Who LOVES Linux again? ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: More Linux woes ("Kyle Jacobs")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis Miller)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: 15 Jan 2001 04:13:46 GMT
J Sloan was heard ranting about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
alt.linux.sux on 14 Jan 2001
>Lewis Miller wrote:
>
>> Hmmm.. never tried Enterprise. It's got to be better than IIS. What OSs
>> does it run on?
>
>Last I heard it ran on Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, and even windows nt.
>
>jjs
Ah.. judging by that fact that he corrected the title from Netscape, I am
to assume this is NOT free like Netscape? yes.
--
l8r
-LJM
a.k.a. Jaster Mereel
a.k.a. MrBobaFett
"Little things used to mean so much to Shelly. I used to think
they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing's trivial. "
-- Eric Draven, The Crow
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:22:34 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > No, Tux kicked IIS's ass in specweb99. khttpd is a totally different
> program.
> > As far as I know there are no specweb results for khttpd.
>
> Help me with this - do you consider 7500 vs 7300 (2.7%) "kicking ass?"
>
> I sure don't.
Keep up with the thread. Tux did kicked IIS's ass in the
previous specweb99 benchmarks by a factor of about 2.5 to 1.
That is what was being referred to. These latest benchmarks
are quite different, though Linux still comes out slightly
faster. I have yet to see anyone explain this amazing
comeback.
Gary
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$%
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:26:44 +1200
Hi Jan,
> Big deal, in the kernel or not - people - focus and remember this little
> (and it is little) number: 2.7
>
> That's how many percent faster Tux was over IIS5.
1. That was not achieved by IIS5 but by SWC 3.0 (beta).
2. If you are going to continue pushing this figure I hope you add a
disclaimer for the significant differences in hardware configuration.
3. The software is not available until March 2001. So how can the
production, shipping IIS5 have done it? The SPECWeb results state that the
HTTP SOFTWARE, OPERATING SYSTEM AND SUPPLEMENTAL SYSTEM WILL ONLY BE
AVAILABLE IN MARCH 2001.
Regards,
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Why Linux won't get far in Luxembourg's comapanies.
Date: 15 Jan 2001 04:27:54 GMT
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:22:56 -0800, Jim Richardson wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:45:16 +0100,
>>2) I suppose the tax system of Luxembourg is similar to other countries.
>>Explain the gain of paying more then necessary for any system.
>
>It's called a writeoff. You get to write business expenses off against taxes in
>many places, and depreciation rates on computer systems makes them a very nice
>writeoff indeed.
That sounds like absurd illogic to me. You can deduct expenses from your taxible
income, but if your expenses go up, you have a net loss regardless. The rapid
depreciation on computer systems makes their purchases look more like
"operating costs" than assets, but I don't see how it helps a business to boost
their operating expenses.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:36:01 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 02:48:37 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >If Oracle is not "quality software", why is it the most popular
> >commercial database in the world?
>
> Better take a look at Oracle's position on Linux over the past few
> months. They are not happy. And BTW they are NOT the most popular
> database, IBM's DB2 is.
>
The sort of contradicts the argument that Linux has no quality
software. DB2 runs on Linux. Gee, you walked right into that
one!
Gary
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:42:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:54:15 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Like IBM, for instance?
>
http://www.ibm.com/linux
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:43:41 GMT
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 02:14:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 15 Jan 2001 01:55:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>You read the documentation, you goddamn retard. For once.
>>
>>Just read the fucking instructions already and stop being an idiot.
>
>So why don't you enlighten me a little?
Hey, bonehead, someone already did. Read mlw's posts again and try to
understand what he's telling you.
To paraphrase, in order to offer certain features the player has to read
the data via the IDE buss. Turn off those features and it can play the
CD the traditional way.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: One case where Linux has the edge
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:43:43 GMT
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:03:40 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I setup exports and I ran linuxconf. Remote system reported "Permission
>denied", so I checked access to the directories. Everything seemed fine.
What's in /etc/exports? If you use host names, those hosts have to be
in DNS or /etc/hosts. It might also pay to check that nfsd is running.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:43:45 GMT
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:16:06 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Windows developers are in more demand now than ever. With .NET
> approaching, there are already training courses sprouting up to get
> developers up to speed so they can hit the ground running.
I guess that explained why I suddenly started getting free MSDN
magazines. They're going to convert all the embedded & Unix developers
by sending them crap in the mail. The last rag had a free beta CD of
something claiming to be .NET on the cover.
The blurb announced that IE5 was required, so I guess I'll use it to
hold my coffee.
>> .net is going to be a flop.
>
>Oh right. This from a man that says a beta FS is "production".
.NET is going to be Microsoft's Workplace OS.
>You probably don't even know what .NET is.
Probably not, since Steve Ballmer can't even explain it coherently.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:50:05 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On 15 Jan 2001 03:11:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
> Steinberg) wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >: I give up. You are just to dense to understand this..
> >: Consider it closed.
> >
> >I must admit that I'm confused, too.
> >
> >I'm currently playing a CD, and I just disconnected the audio connector,
> >and...silence.
> >
> >Hmmm...maybe I'm not running Linux?...
> Exactly David!!!!!!!
>
> That is my point!!!
>
> When I disconnect the the digital audio connector the audio keeps on
> playing with nothing more than the IDE cable connected.
>
> In fact what is happening is Linux is causing the CD/Soundcard/system
> to do digital audio extraction over the IDE bus by default and I have
> yet to figure out a way to turn it off.
>
> What you have is the way it is supposed to work.
>
> I have not found a way to turn this off under Linux, and as you can
> imagine this puts a tremendous load on the system.
Why don't you look in the application? It is an application issue. When
both David and I disconnect the audio cable, our sound stops, we are
running two different versions of Linux.
When will you understand that it is an APPLICATION issue, not an OS
issue?
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:47:45 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:c6o86.85$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Fzn86.57932$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Can't you just, for one minute, stop thinking about how the computer
> > > industry works today and think about how it worked 10-15 years ago
when
> > > these formats were created? There was no interoperability then, it
> wasn't
> > > an issue. This is just the result of legacy code.
> >
> > 10-15 years ago there was already a long history of wildly different
> > CPU types with variations in word size and bit/byte ordering - and
> > unix already ran on most of them with interchangeable data files.
> > You can't pretend that the lock-in that the Microsoft file formats
> > caused was not intentional - unless you want to claim that they
> > were complete idiots, unaware of the rest of the industry or even
> > the Macintosh.
>
> Yes, there was a long history of such in the scientific and perhaps even
> banking industry, but not the *PC* industry.
Yes, that is what I have been trying to point out. The PC industry
didn't have data interchangeability because the leader in
that industry did not want the customers to have it, not because
it was an unusual or even difficul+ªAncept.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:48:23 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: One case where Linux has the edge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:45:45 -0500, Gary Hallock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >pan
>
> pan would be nice if it would work for more than a couple of minutes
> without blowing up and segfaulting.
>
I've never had that problem. I've been trying out Mandrake 7.2,
which comes with pan, and it seems to work flawlessly. I'd be
using it now, but I haven't had the time yet to see if there is
an easy way to migrate from Netscape, while keeping all my read
marks. And I have had a backlog of posts to read building up.
>
> You still have to walk over there and insert the CD media into the
> drive do you not?
>
Nope. I just have to reach over to insert the CD. No further
than if my AIX box had a CD writer. It still makes it a lot
easier with just one keyboard and display.
> THat's like sharing a scanner where you have to walk over and put the
> document in anyway so what's the point of the remote access?
>
If someone from my department wants to burn a CD, they just have
to walk in and insert the CD. That's less of an interruption
for me than if they had to walk in, find an extra chair, and sit
and type.
Gary
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:48:59 GMT
Netscape enterprise is under one of those "funny" licenses. To be honest,
it's a product I'd be WILLING to pay money for.
It's part of the Sun/Netscape "alliance" to provide better internet software
to the masses. The pact was called the "Iplanet" project, and has yielded a
LOT of cool server technology, including a collaboration & messaging server
as well as the Enterprise "web" server.
Again, pick your platform. It's available.
"Lewis Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:93ttdq$p7v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> J Sloan was heard ranting about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
> alt.linux.sux on 14 Jan 2001
>
> >Lewis Miller wrote:
> >
> >> Hmmm.. never tried Enterprise. It's got to be better than IIS. What OSs
> >> does it run on?
> >
> >Last I heard it ran on Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, and even windows nt.
> >
> >jjs
>
> Ah.. judging by that fact that he corrected the title from Netscape, I am
> to assume this is NOT free like Netscape? yes.
>
>
> --
> l8r
> -LJM
>
> a.k.a. Jaster Mereel
> a.k.a. MrBobaFett
>
>
> "Little things used to mean so much to Shelly. I used to think
> they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing's trivial. "
> -- Eric Draven, The Crow
>
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: The Server Saga
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:50:52 GMT
Got a point. Webmin may (or may not) install properly, but there are
problems with the configuration plugins. There are also security
"questions" about webmin, which may provide a big hole in your system.
Webmin is also very hard dependent on CERTIAN revisions of server software
(like a particular version of Apache, and Samba...)
So this really doesn't help the Linux from sucking problem.
Although I have noticed that FreeBSD's webmin works out of the box with data
services from the FreeBSD ports collection, or the CDROM.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:19:57 GMT, Jim Broughton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >After having read you above post I can only say that you
> >should get the network (tcp/ip) running. THEN install
> >webmin 0.83. This is a browser based system setup utility
> >(yes it has mandrake 7.2 support) Initial setup is a bit
> >hairy (its text based but interactive so its not too painful)
>
> Yea sure, more miserable config files and outdated How-To's to
> complicate the matter.
> Just what he needs.
>
> There always seems to be some version .0001 tool under Linux that is
> designed to not so easily do what WIndows does right out of the box so
> easily.
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Who LOVES Linux again?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:51:35 GMT
Are you F***Ing kidding???
Netscape 6 & Mozilla crash WAY more often then Netscape 4.7*.
And that's AFTER opening the source.
"Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:93tp7q$ljm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Unless you're running a beta kernel Linux is stable. Linux the OS that is
:)
>
> Yes Netscape is buggy, but it has improved. Since going open source mind
you
> ;)
>
>
> Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Flt86.73463$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Only if you exclaim that your crappy app can't exist because the OS is
"so
> > perfect".
> >
> > Like many people on COLA have been saying.
> >
> >
> > "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:93tk7a$f4o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > If I wrote a BAD piece of software that forced Windows or Linux to
hang
> > does
> > > that make the OS unstable?
> > > A. No.
> > >
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Mark Addinall wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve Mading wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At this point, I'd say there isn't a damn thing I can do with
> it,
> > > even
> > > > > > > though clearly *something* is still running, since the mouse
> > pointer
> > > does
> > > > > > > move on the screen.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's a powerswitch-reboot situation. There's nothing else
to
> > do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In that case it doesn't matter if the underlying OS is crashed
> > > > > > > or not, I can't talk to it in any way shape or form.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This happens to me about once a month on Linux. (It happens
> more
> > > often
> > > > > > > on Windows, but it *does* happen on Linux too). I'd say that
> > counts
> > > > > > > as being "frozen".)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It always happens when running Netscape, and always when its
> stuck
> > > > > > > while bringing up a menubar pull-down menu. I think X is
> grabbing
> > > > > > > more input types than it needs to and then not releasing it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Better check your memory chips.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dunno. Looks like software. I've had this happen to me once.
> > > > > Although since using Linux since 1.1.13 I'm not complaining.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I do find is netscape chews into swap over an extended
> > > > > period of time, and thrashes the disk. Moreso when so
> > > > > is loaded. Fighting for resource?
> > > >
> > > > Add memory. This will stop the thrashing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Addinall
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > > ICQ # 3056642
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > > > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > > > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > > > you are lazy, stupid people"
> > > >
> > > > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > > > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > > > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > > > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> > > >
> > > > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > > > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle
(Enielle),
> > > > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> > > >
> > > > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> > > >
> > > > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > > > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > > > direction that she doesn't like.
> > > >
> > > > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> > > >
> > > > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > > > ...despite (C) above.
> > > >
> > > > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > > > her behavior improves.
> > > >
> > > > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues
> against
> > > > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> > > >
> > > > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:55:46 GMT
I had the same problem. Except my sound card doesn't support hardware DAE
decoding, so it was using processor time to "filter out" the digital stream.
While playing a CPU intensive video game, this sorta kills the point.
I broke down and bought an analog CDAudio cable.
"Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:93trlf$goc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Actually, I prefer using DAE with Windows 2000... no skips hops or
nothin...
> just good music.
>
> (Never mind I lost the analog cable from my CD to sound card) ... hehe.
>
> -Todd
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I was wondering why playing an audio CDROM (like you would buy in the
> > store) seemed to cause intermittent skipping when dragging windows or
> > doing any other activity under Linux Mandrake 7.2 so I decided to
> > investigate today.
> > The CDROM is an Acer 40x on the second IDE controller and it has a
> > digital cable (no analog) hooked to a SBLive in the system.
> >
> > I played an audio CD and started to poke around the system enabling
> > and disabling digital audio with the KDE Mixer and things were acting
> > strange?
> >
> > I unplugged the digital cable (the little 2 prong Berg connector)
> > while the CD was playing and to my surprise the sound CONTINUED to be
> > heard!!!
> >
> > This sucker was, for some reason, doing Digital Audio Extraction over
> > the IDE bus!!!
> >
> > No wonder things were acting strange....
> >
> > Score another hit against Linsux for misconfiguring this one.
> > Ok Penguinista's, how to I disable this so my system isn't being
> > slowed to a crawl every time I play an audio CD?
> >
> > Every time I look a little deeper I discover another reason why Linux
> > sucks, and I'm not even trying hard to find these things.
> >
> >
> > Flatfish
> > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > Remove the ++++ to reply.
>
>
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