Linux-Advocacy Digest #872, Volume #31 Wed, 31 Jan 01 18:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Giuliano Colla)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Mark Styles)
Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon us
(Brian Langenberger)
Re: Whistler predictions... (Mig)
Re: Whistler predictions... (Mig)
Re: Storm Linux & Applixware ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill knows what's best for you ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill knows what's best for you ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:41:43 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > >
> > > Except for the small issue that Windows NT is still in place, while you
> > > linzealots insist that Linux can replace Windows on the desktop. It can't,
> > > sadly, dolts like Kulkis (who would sooner lob off his left testicle then
> > > admit to a UNIX based anything having anything less than total perfection)
> >
> > Unix has several legitimate faults.
> >
> > However, Kyle Jacobs has yet to identify any of them.
>
> He's probably still trying to come up with Schrodinger's equation.
>
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Map at the Heisenberg Institute
> Chris
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> "Three quarks for Muster Mark!"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:46:58 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > ***TEST***
> > Write one very simple program in C which computes all prime
> > numbers between 1 and 100,000,000. Don't do anything but
> > compute your prime numbers and display them to the screen.
> > Drive IO tends to scew this test.
> >
> > Next, create a dos batch to launch this program 4 times,
> > each displaying the results in a dos box.
> >
> > If you have a true multitasking OS, you should see program
> > 1 finish before 2 and so on. It should start and end
> > in the sequence 1,2,3,4....
> >
> > Windows can't do that.
> >
> > Linux can. Linux is true multitasking.
> >
> >
> > This IS a crucial reason why when the going get's
> > tuff, Windows just bluescreens.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Here is the code:
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <math.h>
> #include <stdlib.h>
>
> int main(){
> long i,j,number,sqr;
> /* char input[13];
> printf("\nEnter a number: \n"); // ask user for input
> fgets(input,13,stdin); // get string
> number = atol(input); // convert string to long
> */
> number = 100000000l;
> for (i=3;i<number;i+=2){ // start from 3, because 1 & 2 obviously needn't
> to be checked, and hopping over even numbers
> sqr = (long)sqrt(i); // might have some problems here, but I don't expect
> numbers that big
> for (j=2;j<sqr && i%j;j++); // starting from 2, because anything will
> divide in 1
> if (j==sqr)
> printf("Number %ld, is prime!\n",i);
> }
> return 0;
> }
>
> Here is the batch file:
> start prime
> start prime
> start prime
> start prime
>
> Now, run it and you'll notice that 4 will tend to long before 3,2,1.
> According to Charlie this is a sign that Windows can't multi task.
> What he forgot is that Windows tend by default to give the window in front
> more priority than those in the background, it improve performance for the
> user.
> Because of the way the batch file is built, you will notice that the last
> window that opens manage to compute much more higher number much sooner than
> the other 3 windows, that is because it has focus.
> Move the focus to the first window and watch how it slowly climb to the top.
> You've either to change the computer's setting (from Applications to
> Background Proccesses) or put all those windows in the background.
If you want to make this test in a meaningful way, just
switch focus to a 5th window, and then watch the other 4.
If you're careful not to move the mouse over it, the window
with focus should not use any cpu time, because nothing is
happening, and the other 4 should get each one its proper
share of cpu.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:43:48 -0500
Kenn Guilstorf wrote:
>
> Actually, a recent independent study (again, quoted by Microsoft Press Corp,
> but still independently proven) has indicated that Microsoft's Win2k servers
> can regularly incur up-time in the '5 9's' range. 99.999%.
>
That's if you define "up-time" as
"at least one machine out of a cluster is running"
However, in the REST of the world, up-time is defined as
"THE MACHINE is up and running"
Microsoft can get 99.999% TAG TEAM
HP and SUN get 99.999% ACTUAL.
> Just my $.02.
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said nuxx in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:17:20 +0800;
> > >> There is nothing more to be said. The MS-Zealots claim that their NT/2K
> > >> systems have longer uptimes, but they are either being dishonest or
> they
> > >> are not the norm. Microsoft has funded this study and used the results
> > >> in an advertisement campaign.
> > >>
> > >Are we talking about desktops or servers here?
> >
> > Computers.
> >
> > --
> > T. Max Devlin
> > *** The best way to convince another is
> > to state your case moderately and
> > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:59:33 -0500
Kenn Guilstorf wrote:
>
> As far as file systems, NTFS does a nice job. I like Linux's ability to
> link directories together much better, but it lacks the security features
> inherent in NTFS. A trade-off, perhaps...
>
> As far as Win98, everyone I talked to found it much more stable than 95, and
> Win ME more stable than 98. It is getting better. I haven't yet had to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"I'm getting better!"
-- Plague victim in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail
> reboot my Win ME computer, and I've been running it for about 6 months,
> straight with no glitches. Independent auditing firms indicate the
> instability of the OS is due to MS's attempt to make the new OS compatable
> with all the OS's before it -- which was, and is, futile. Hence, I tend to
> believe the statement that Whistler, with its lack of 16-bit code, will be
> the most stable version yet. I think they've done a pretty good job with
> Win2k...
How much 3rd party code is on it?
>
> I have seen the 'beta' of Whistler for Intel's 64-bit processor. It seemed
> to run very well -- but I only got to see it for a few minutes. I've heard
> unconfirmed rumors that Whistler's 64-bit version has almost no 32-bit
> code...but I can't vouch for it's veracity...
>
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> >I suspect you don't care (or perhaps already know?), but if you'd like
> to
> > >> >stop scandisk coming up just because the machine crashed, you can add
> > >> >Autoscan=0
> > >> >to your MSDOS.SYS file under the [Options] heading. Alternatively,
> you
> > >> >can install TweakUI and turn it off with that.
> > >>
> > >> Yea, you can hit a key to abort it, too, but that's not quite the best
> > >> idea, is it? This is Windows we're talking about.
> > >
> > >Heh.. I like to turn it off, because I get sick of hitting that key =)
> > >
> > >Win98 crashes more often than I restart it... I consider 'crashing' to
> > >include an intentional restart to fix resource leaks and crappy
> > >response... it would lead to a crash soon enough if I didn't restart it.
> > >
> > >The possibility of a corrupted filesystem doesn't really bother me too
> > >much, since I expect that of 98 anyway. I run scandisk every so often
> > >when I need to (e.g to fix the not-shutting-down problem from time to
> > >time).
> >
> >
> > Can you believe that Microsoft still doesn't have a decent file
> > system.
> >
> > They don't even have the equivalent of EXT2 yet.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:55:55 -0500
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:20:17 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nick Condon wrote:
>
>> Bullshit. Every Unix system in existence supports telnet from inetd. There
>> are no Unix telnet servers.
>
>Bullshit yourself.
>
>It won't install.
What is this 'telnet server' you're trying to install? I've never
known any linux or unix system to be without telnetd by default.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:01:10 -0500
Flacco wrote:
>
> > By the way I have tried to email Microsoft about software bugs and never
> > received a reply by a developer. This is exciting territory. When you see
> > your own bug report actually fixed and signed off you'll realise how
> > responsive OSS can be to the user.
>
> Yeah, I was surprised myself when a few days after submitting a bug on
> OpenOffice I got a reply mail containing the bug report and its status as
> "fixed".
Horrors!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon
us
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:09:10 +0000 (UTC)
"--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Changing?
: your Linsux world is going pop right before yout little penguin eyes....
: Applixware RIP
: CorelLinux RIP
: StormLinux RIP
: (fill in the others I have missed)
: Who is next?
And remember, no business built on selling MicrosoftOS-compatible
software has *ever* failed. Never happened. Nope. Not once.
They're all alive and doing great. Honest! Really!
------------------------------
From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:05:29 +0100
Peter Hayes wrote:
> Yes. KPPP is a whole lot easier and quicker to set up than DUN, and it
> won't leave you with NETBEUI and/or IPX/SPX security holes enabled by
> default because it only deals with PPP - it's just a wrapper for pppd
> rather than an invitation for "hackers".
Well.. its certainly easier to use and does not require reinstallation or
deletion of connections and reconfiguration of those(A bizar problem with
DUN). But if youve got connection problems its just as problematic as the
DUN PPP-dialer.
A major problem for me with kppp is that you cannot have different
initstrings in a easy way.. you can do that with DUN by installing one
extra modem.
The "best" dialer i have encountered so far is the "wvdialer" where you can
configure everything necessary. Put a frontend like QtWvdialer on it and
you have a unbeatable PPP-dialer that even wintrolls can use :-)
--
Cheers
------------------------------
From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:09:31 +0100
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> Yes, and strangely enough, most (all?) of the software that *require*
> reboot comes from MS.
> For 99% of the other software, you wouldn't need to reboot.
Actually W2K behaves much better regarding reinstalls.. but still there are
to many reboots for my taste. I have the opposite experience- i normally
dont have to reboot on MS installs but mainly on other vendors software.
Can this be because the software i normally install are not specific for
W2K?
BTW.. The decision for rebooting: is it the OS or the installer that
requests a reboot?
> You don't need to reboot to install new drivers.
--
Cheers
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Storm Linux & Applixware
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:14:10 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > With the demise of stormix, the best Linux distribution I have used
> > to date, and what looks like the end for vistasource (applixware) it
> > has been a sad few days for me.
>
> > Now with IBM going to spend $1 billion this year on Linux why don't
> > they invest in stormix to keep a great debian based distribution going
> > and buy vistasource and then follow sun and make applixware open
> > source? Stormix did a fantastic job in making the easiest Linux
> > installation and with debian package management, so easy to
> > upgrade. As for applixware, it is an excellent office suite with a
> > superb macro language, ELF. Here's a chance for IBM to invest a small
> > amount of money and have a geat impact of Linux on the desktop.
>
> But probably not much of a profit. IBM is in the business of making
> alot of money; thats why theyve been able to survive longer than almost
> any other computer company in existance.
>
> Their investment in linux is a very big move for them; IBM doesnt throw
> that kind of money around lightly. They're in the business of making
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> things work very well, and I have high expectations.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, this is a rather recent outlook for IBM.
For the first 40 years of IBM's dataprocessing business (up to, and
including the release of AIX), IBM's previous business model was based
on the same kind of customer-lock-in strategy that Microsoft is using.
[Notice the re-formatting of the /etc configuration files in AIX so that
administrative scripts written AIX won't work on other platforms]
Of course, Born-with-a-golden-spoon-in-his-mouth Gates neglected to
notice that IBM's customer-lock-in strategy also had IBM in Federal
court so frequently that they were almost a permanent fixture on
the dockets.
>
> -----.
>
> --
> "It's natural to expect there might be people doing stupid things
> with computers"
>
> ---Michael Vatis, director of the FBI's national infrastructure
> protection center commenting on Y2K concerns about hacker attacks
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.crash.crash.crash,alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,microsoft.windows.crash.crash.crash
Subject: Re: Bill knows what's best for you
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:20:29 -0500
Paul Hovnanian wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Trebor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:YkEd6.29287$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Install the Windows Media Player version 7.00.00.1958 update on Windows
> > 2000
> > > and, when the install is finished, your machine will be rebooted by the
> > > installer program .. WITHOUT giving you an option to reboot now or reboot
> > > later. Isn't that wonderful?
> >
> > This isn't true. When it gets to the last screen, it says it's finished,
> > and tells you specifically that clicking next will reboot the computer. All
> > you have to do is click cancel at this point to abort it.
>
> Abort 'it'? Abort what? The whole installation? If they're telling you
> to
> reboot, what happens if you don't?
>
> We put all of our trust in Microsoft to do the right thing and now you
> expect us to think for ourselves?
>
> Aaauuughhhh!!!!!
Microshaft assumes a schizophrenic user....too stupid to type a comman
on a command line (EVER!), but wise enough to learn the most bizarre
intricacies before ever needing them.
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> send spam to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Power corrupts. And atomic power corrupts atomically.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bill knows what's best for you
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:21:59 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 05:34:20 GMT, Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:09:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:03 -0800, Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>news:957im4$c55$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>> In article <YNGd6.463$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > "Trebor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>> > news:YkEd6.29287$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>> >> Install the Windows Media Player version 7.00.00.1958 update on Windows
> >>>> > 2000
> >>>> >> and, when the install is finished, your machine will be rebooted by the
> >>>> >> installer program .. WITHOUT giving you an option to reboot now or
> >>>> >> reboot later. Isn't that wonderful?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > This isn't true. When it gets to the last screen, it says it's
> >>>> > finished, and tells you specifically that clicking next will reboot the
> >>>> > computer. All you have to do is click cancel at this point to abort it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah! Windows is so intuitive!
> >>>
> >>>Yeah, like in Linux where if you want a GUI to start on bootup you edit
> >>>/etc/inittab and change the run level to 5.
> >>
> >> ...or you just click a checkbox when you configure the GUI
> >> subsystem or the install OS...
> >
> >It is not difficult at all to change the run level, once you know how.
>
> Except the examples I cited DON'T REQUIRE KNOWLEDGE OF RUNLEVELS.
>
> >But the same goes for choosing 'reboot no' or 'cancel' at the end of a
> >Windows software install. Nothing is intuitive that you don't know how
> >to do, whether it's Linux, Windows, or rebuilding an automobile
>
> Clicking "start the GUI automatically" is not something that
> requires a tremendous amount of research into arcana. At worst
> it requires some very abstract and general information about
> how Unix works (namely that the GUI is infact optional).
>
> >engine.
>
> It's quite dishonest to compare such a thing to "rebuilding
> and automobile engine". Even comparing direct manipulation
> of inittab to automotive mechanics is a bit of a stretch.
Changing the air filter would be more appropriate.
>
> --
>
> Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
>
> That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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