Linux-Advocacy Digest #922, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 00:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Hey Max!! Get your Linsux system yet??????? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Bob Hauck)
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested (Bob Hauck)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Bunn)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: The 130MByte text file (Glitch)
Re: Linux is a fad? (David Steinberg)
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How long does your box run for? (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is a fad? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is a fad? (mlw)
More Mandrake Fun :( ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is a fad? ("Gary Hallock")
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested (.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:11:19 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:15:31 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> Yup.
>
> IT'S THEIR JOB TO BE IN CONTROL.
>
> They let things get out of control, therefore they failed.
>
> The cops that beat up King are guilty of the same sort of
> professional malpractice. Innocents DIED because of their
> machismo and incompetence.
>
> They blundered strategically and tactically. This should
> be apparent even if you view Koresh as the anti-christ.
>
> The "untouchables" raided what was essentially a monastery
> and most Americans didn't even blink.
Very well put jedi!
Flatfish
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:16:15 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:31:42 GMT, Alan Peterson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can anyone direct me to a source of info -- print, web or otherwise
>-- describing only the fundamentals of tying together three Win machines
>to a Linux server and what it would take for them to communicate? This
>is for a simple home rig only.
Samba is your friend, but good luck getting it running.
There aren't web pages devoted to getting it running for nothing :)
Of course the Penguinista's will blame it all on MS (encrypted
passwaords,changing smb protocol etc) and in some cases they are
correct but the bottom line is why in the world do you want to run
Linux?
You'll spend so much time trying to make it work that you won't have
any time to make your music.
BTW I am in the same business as you are.
> Before someone suggests "Ditch the Windows machines entirely", I
>WOULD in a second if there were comparable multitrack audio editing
>programs available that would run under Linux. I am locked into what my
>local machines must be and do, but the server is up for grabs.
Linux will save you money at the onset, but will cost you time in the
long run.
> Any suggestion/direction is welcome, as long as it is relevant and
>not a rant.
>Thx. -ap
I guess I ranted a little, but personally based upon your business, I
wouldn't waste a second on Linux unless you can get somebody to set it
up for you.
Flatfish
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hey Max!! Get your Linsux system yet???????
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:17:32 GMT
So?????????????
Flatfish
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:23:39 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Nick Condon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron R. Kulkis) wrote in
> > > >
> > > > >However, this has NOTHING to do with Microsoft. They have NEVER been
> > > > >*granted* a government-sanctioned monopoly.
> > > >
> > > > All copyrights and patents are government granted monopolies. Microsoft
> > > > holds many.
> > >
> > > And how many of them read "THE desktop operating system for office and
> > > home users"?
> >
> > well, for one, the US DoD requires all documentation in "ms-word 6.0
> > for windows" format.
>
> Strange...I'm in the Army, and I've never heard of it.
the military contractors have been living with it for about five years.
> And that's STILL not a monopoly...that's a contract provision.
ok, how about this?
i'd love to take a windows NT disk and replicate it with my cd-r and
sell copies for $10. however, if i did it on a large enough scale,
the government would kick down my door and throw me into prison. it
seems no one else but microsoft are allowed to sell NT in this
country. that is a monopoly. and, in addition, one enforced by
threats of violence against you from your own government.
i am sure that back in the day of the match monopoly (in sweden)
people objected and said, that's not a monopoly, you can still rub two
sticks together if you need a fire.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:24:23 GMT
On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:04:25 -0500, Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Install linux with full networking support on your server
Good luck.
>Connect up your lan, assigning ip addresses in a private range to each
>of your PCs (including the server of course)
Assuming you can get your network card to co-operate with Linsux.
>Make sure you can ping back and forth between the PCs
See above.
>Configure Samba to be your win domain server, and your Win PCs to
>recognize that as their server.
That's about a month's worth of reading How-To's and webpages to make
it all work, especially if you have a combination of Win9x and Win2k
PC's.
>That's about it, unless you want an internet gateway too, then you
>need a 2nd ethernet card or a modem in your server, and an
>ipchains/iptables firewall.
Another month of reading How-To's.
>I suggest reading the various networking HOW-TOs, here:
>http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html
I rest my case.
Flatfish
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:41:51 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Executive Software (makers of DiskKeeper) requested MS put cluster mapping
> and remapping APIs in the kernel to aid in defragmenting the disk.
>
> http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/info/defrag.shtml
>
> FSCTL_GET_VOLUME_BITMAP
> FSCTL_GET_RETRIEVAL_POINTERS
> FSCTL_MOVE_FILE
> FSCTL_READ_MFT_RECORD
>
> These were added as part of the NtFsControlFile native function.
Well, I'll be.....
Chad knows something!!!!
Must be in some MCSE course.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Reply-To: b o b h {at} h a u c k s {dot} o r g
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:43:43 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:13:33 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:95fmge$dju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>*PL0NK*
If Chad keeps plonking the regulars at this rate he won't have anybody
to talk to except the flathead, tholen, and da sponge.
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-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Reply-To: b o b h {at} h a u c k s {dot} o r g
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:43:45 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:31:42 GMT, Alan Peterson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can anyone direct me to a source of info -- print, web or otherwise
>-- describing only the fundamentals of tying together three Win machines
>to a Linux server and what it would take for them to communicate?
http://www.samba.org/
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Robert Bunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:15:16 +0000
On Thu, 01 Feb 2001, Nick Condon wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron R. Kulkis) wrote in
>
>>However, this has NOTHING to do with Microsoft. They have NEVER been
>>*granted* a government-sanctioned monopoly.
>
>All copyrights and patents are government granted monopolies. Microsoft
>holds many.
Nick, I hope you don't mind this. In the interest of better communication, I'd
like to clarify what you've been saying.
Copyrights and patents are, indeed, government-granted monopolies. This is from
the strict definition of "monopoly" to an economist, narrowly defined. IOW,
MicroSoft has a monopoly, sanctioned by the government, on sale of the Windows*
operating systems.
This does not mean that their *effective* monopoly on *all* PC operating
systems is government sanctioned, as Aaron seems to think you are saying. It
is, rather, a result of MS use of "market power" (another piece of economist
jargon that means more exactly what most people think momopoly means) to stifle
competition.
I hope this clarifies the issue a little for everybody.
--
Robert Bunn
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:51:22 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Apparently, the managers in some of these countries do not take security
> seriously. This is a problem with almost every international organization.
> MS makes a priority for security in the US (have you ever seen
> www.microsoft.com hacked? Of course not)
Yeah, because the hackers didn't get any source code, ha ha.
> but apparently not in foreign
> countries. Should they? Yes. Why don't they? Because it's not a top priority,
> I guess.
>
> www.microsoft.com is a shining example of what can happen when you have
> competent and knowledgeable folks running WinNT and 2k.
But microsoft.com is not the same shining example, eh? It is weird
how such smart people can screw up so often.
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:57:21 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> Here is another one in IE.
> Sometimes you want to build granular security for sites.
> For example, I want to let microsoft.com to use javascript because the site
> is much harder to work with otherwise and I trust that they wouldn't abuse
> javascript too much[1].
I've seen the most consistent collection of Javascript errors from
Microsoft sites.
Chris
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:12:25 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
>
>
> Translation: you want me to be more forgiving and tolerant of the little
> inadequacies of Linux. Well, sorry, no!
>
> I want Linux to _replace_ Windows. But it can't really do it if it falls
> over when Windows carries on regardless. I thought Linux had a far
> better paging system than Windows - is this wrong?
I once tried to open a 70+ meg file in Word. It was my Trash file from
Netscape. Word opened it but it sure did take a long time. It opened it
all at once and trying to scroll using the scrollbar wasn't almost
useless as it didn't seem to match up the page numbers that appear when
u use the scrollbar with the actual page number that was displayed at
the bottom of the page.
Saving seemed to be a chore too.
Haven't tried the same thing in Linux. I did open a 22 meg file in vi
and it worked just fine but nothing close to 70 megs or even 200 yet.
brandon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: 3 Feb 2001 04:04:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Try to NOT buy a USB device and see what happens.
: For better or worse USB is the new standard.
: Of course like with most standards, Linux need not apply.
Your definition of "standard" is "whatever Microsoft is doing this
week." Real standards, including USB, are supported by Linux.
: >Ahem, what? Have you know idea what .dll hell is in Windows?
: Yep.
: Something that was a nightmare under Win95a.
There is no difference between how Win95a, Win98, Win ME and Win NT handle
DLL's. They all allow, no, EXPECT applications to randomly replace system
DLL's with other versions, breaking already installed programs. Allegedly,
Windows 2000 has an ugly work-around for this problem that involves the OS
somehow intercepting these installations and juggling around the libraries
in the background in the hopes that the applications see the library
version that they're expecting.
Not to be confused with the simple, elegant, effective Linux solution: put
the version number of the library in its filename!
: > This is flat out incorrect. What ever distribution you have will have
: > a recent kernel should you ever need an update. I have yet to see a
: > Linux distribution that needs a patch for ppp.
: Oh yea?
: Take a look in the setup groups and see how many newbies can't find
: ppp.
Which has nothing to do with the assertion that Linux no distribution
released in the last few years requires a patch for ppp.
: Smart people stick with standards, like four wheels on a car.
By that definition, Microsoft has to be the dumbest company in the history
of computing.
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:05:17 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:43:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:31:42 GMT, Alan Peterson
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Can anyone direct me to a source of info -- print, web or otherwise
>>-- describing only the fundamentals of tying together three Win machines
>>to a Linux server and what it would take for them to communicate?
>
>http://www.samba.org/
Which takes you to a merry-go-round of other pages which essentially
say nothing that isn't in the man pages.
My advice, is buy the books shilled on the doc page.
They ain't selling entire books on the subject for no reason.
The reason is, that you will need them.
OR
You can install Win2k professional, or even Win98SE and be up in a
matter of minutes without ever reading a help page.
The choice is yours.
Time is money.
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:57:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [ snip lots of thoughtful stuff ]
>
> > > Customers notice really fast
> > > when their sites are dead in the water. IIS has proven to be a
> > > very flimsy base to build dynamic web applications on. =
> >
> > Just out of curiousity, have you considered offering Linux or
> > FreeBSD as an alternative? Some people want a more "private"
> > host without the extra costs of purchasing an entire server.
> Have you seen the product announcement for Sun's Netra X1?
Yes. There's also IBM's B series rackmount.
> It's essentially a stripped-down Ultra 5 without the video circuitry,
> floppy drive or CD-ROM, all crammed into a 1RU rack-mount case.
> and for an official price tag of $US 1K
> I can see Sun selling *lots* of them into precisely this market segment.
> Now we know why Sun bought Cobalt ;-)
With Linux 2.4 providing supercomputer capability and Solaris and AIX being
offered $999 boxes (MSRP), any claims by Microsoft of superior TCO based on
comparisons between $25,000 Unix servers and $2000 NT machines are looking
more and more absurd.
Ironically, what makes this interesting is what actually drives this market.
Initially, the demand for the $999 rack-mount box began to increase when ISPs
suddenly realized that they could only put about 16 processors in a 19 inch
rack using traditional PC cases but they could get 40 processors or more into
the same 19 inch rack.
In addition, beowulf clusters and "shared nothing" databases such as DB2 and
postgreSQL have created a big demand for rack-mount cages that can support
about 20 rack-mount units on each side of a 19 inch rack. When you add
gigabit switches, SAN and EtherSAN technology, and massively clustered
arrays, small cheap processors can redefine the hardware requirements for
corporations.
I noticed at Linux info that there were many companies who offered very
powerful hardware at very agreeable prices. What was even more important was
that they were also willing to talk about service contracts and consulting
services. In some cases, the service contracts for premium service (24/7
service with 99.999% availability can cost as much as $1000 per rack unit per
month).
Many of the customers were ISPs and corporate administrators who have
been using Linux and were very interested in these types of service.
One niche that was just beginning to emerge was support contracts and
packages for the desktop market. Generally these packages were a combination
of training and certification for customer employees backed by direct access
to tier-3 through tier-5 support through the service provider. For those
from Microsoft world, Tier 3 is the security patches and bugfix patches, tier
4 is package integration and delivery (assuring that all dependencies are
coordinated for new packages) and tier 5 is bug fixe creations at the source
code level.
KISMET
> [ snip again ]
>
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Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 80 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 01/14/00)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:00:22 GMT
For a good book on the subject, I recommend Rich Sharp's "Special
Edition: Using Samba". Published by MacMillan, available online thru
B&N or Amazon. This one's quite current, and a good companion to the
other publications in MacMillan-Que's "Special Edition" series.
http://www.mcp.com/detail.cfm?item=0789723190
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:15:05 GMT
On 3 Feb 2001 04:04:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
Steinberg) wrote:
>
>Your definition of "standard" is "whatever Microsoft is doing this
>week." Real standards, including USB, are supported by Linux.
No.
I can take my USB scanner, printer and camera and move them from my
Windows PC right over to my iMac and they work fine.
They don't, however work under Linux.
>: >Ahem, what? Have you know idea what .dll hell is in Windows?
>: Yep.
>: Something that was a nightmare under Win95a.
>
>There is no difference between how Win95a, Win98, Win ME and Win NT handle
>DLL's. They all allow, no, EXPECT applications to randomly replace system
>DLL's with other versions, breaking already installed programs. Allegedly,
>Windows 2000 has an ugly work-around for this problem that involves the OS
>somehow intercepting these installations and juggling around the libraries
>in the background in the hopes that the applications see the library
>version that they're expecting.
It works in Win98SE and Win2k, it di NOT work in Win95a.
So where was Linsux when Win95a was released?
>Not to be confused with the simple, elegant, effective Linux solution: put
>the version number of the library in its filename!
Yea right and spend 2 days looking for dependencies that are not
satisfied because you have a LATER version of some arcane library.
Linux doesn't even call the damm things by the same name. RPM will say
you are missng "clusterfuckxyz" which really means you are missing
LibC. Silly me for not knowing the difference.
>Which has nothing to do with the assertion that Linux no distribution
>released in the last few years requires a patch for ppp.
Try installing Mandrake 7.2 and tell it you don't wish to set up you
internet connection now, which implies you would like to set it up
later, and see what happens.
Oh where oh where did my ppp go?
Have you seen it?
I don't know where it could be?
Do you?
>: Smart people stick with standards, like four wheels on a car.
>
>By that definition, Microsoft has to be the dumbest company in the history
>of computing.
At least hardware works on their platform as well as Mac.
Where is Linsux?
Nowhere as usual.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:17:00 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:00:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>For a good book on the subject, I recommend Rich Sharp's "Special
>Edition: Using Samba". Published by MacMillan, available online thru
>B&N or Amazon. This one's quite current, and a good companion to the
>other publications in MacMillan-Que's "Special Edition" series.
Oh dear me, and I was told setting up Samba via SWAT was so easy.
Can't be that an entire library of books has to be written to use it.
Sya it's not so?
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:23:05 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:28:33 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Microcenter in my area has a whole section of the store for Linux, where do you
> >shop.
>
> Ask a sales person why the boxes are dusty and how many customers buy
> Linux programs.
> I do it all the time and the answer is always the same.
I seldom see any dusty boxes. What are dusty are old versions of things. Just
like the old versions of Windows programs.
>
> >I do not have any USB peripherals, when they become competitive with
> >traditional counterparts, and I have need, I will get them. The 2.4 kernel
> >seems to have very good support for USB.
>
> Competitive?
>
> Try to NOT buy a USB device and see what happens.
> For better or worse USB is the new standard.
> Of course like with most standards, Linux need not apply.
Like?
>
> >
> >Ahem, what? Have you know idea what .dll hell is in Windows?
>
> Yep.
> Something that was a nightmare under Win95a.
As well as 98, 98se, ME, NT, 2k.
>
> >
> >I have yet to see a browser that I would consider good software. They all
> >crash, Windows, Linux, etc. At least in Linux, it doesn't take down the
> >machine.
>
> Sour grapes.
> Only browser that crashes under Windows is Netscape.
> Opera sucks, and if they think people will PAY for it they are stark
> raving mad.
This is flat out a lie. IE crashes all the time. Yes Netscape crashes, but not
nearly as often as IE 5.
>
> >This is flat out incorrect. What ever distribution you have will have a recent
> >kernel should you ever need an update. I have yet to see a Linux distribution
> >that needs a patch for ppp.
>
> Oh yea?
> Take a look in the setup groups and see how many newbies can't find
> ppp.
Have you ever seen the people that can't format a floppy in Windows? So what.
There are people that need help doing the simplest of things everywhere. Your
statement is irrelevant.
>
> >> g) I can use standard applications at home and then go into any office and
> >> hey, the same things...wow......
> >
> >So do I.
>
> Doubtful.
For you maybe.
>
> >This is a compatibility issue, not a usability issue. I have seen plenty of
> >sound cards that have a 95/98 driver but not an NT or 2K driver, or a 98/2K
> >driver, but not a 95/NT driver.
>
> >So what?
>
> There are many, many,many more that either half work under Linsux, or
> just plain don't work at all.
>
> Like most hardware.
I would bet there is a very, very, small percent of hardware out there that
works on 95,98, ME, NT, 2K and not on Linux. I would bet there is more hardware
that works with Linux than NT.
>
> >
> >I know of several companies that are using Oracle on Linux with an apache web
> >server (also Linux).
>
> A couple of months ago Oracle was screaming foul at Linsux and how
> slow development of Linsux was going.
> Big articles in Infoworld and EWeek.
About the 2.4 kernel, maybe, at least it has a virtually infinite MTTF (limited
by hardware) where as 2K is 120 days. lol.
>
> >My current company has a Windows NT (not 2K, 'not proven') domain controller,
> >and all samba servers. Oracle on solaris and Linux, apache on a web farm of
> >servers.
>
> And how many Linux desktops, excepting you of course?
About as many as there are Macintoshes.
>
> >I know of a couple of companies that went the "MS Solution Provider" path with
> >MS SQL and IIS, and eventually bailed because it was not stable enough and are
> >now using Linux.
>
> And how many Linux desktops?
About as many as there are Macintoshes.
>
> >I have yet to see one company, first hand, that has tried a fully MS solution
> >and been happy with it. I have seen many companies that were scared to go
> >Linux, but glad they did.
>
> And how many Linux desktops?
About as many, if not more, than the number of Macintoshes.
>
> >In answer to your question? Smart people that can out think FUD.
>
> Smart people stick with standards, like four wheels on a car.
> They are also the ones most likely to keep their jobs.
Lemmings follow the masses in a mindless parade. Smart people follow sensible
standards, the dumb people follow the stupid ones.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: More Mandrake Fun :(
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:25:15 GMT
So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
again.
Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
Can't login to another terminal.
Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
BRS time.
Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
churning still has not produced a working system.
I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I don't
expect much.
Great system this Linux.
Great system indeed.
Great system NOT!!!!
And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
because that is the distribution that I bought.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:31:16 +0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ask a sales person why the boxes are dusty and how many customers buy
> Linux programs. I do it all the time and the answer is always the same.
>
>
Really? All the time? 24 hours a day, 7 days a week all year round?
Where do you find time to post here?
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Date: 3 Feb 2001 04:34:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:43:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
>>On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:31:42 GMT, Alan Peterson
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Can anyone direct me to a source of info -- print, web or otherwise
>>>-- describing only the fundamentals of tying together three Win machines
>>>to a Linux server and what it would take for them to communicate?
>>
>>http://www.samba.org/
> Which takes you to a merry-go-round of other pages which essentially
> say nothing that isn't in the man pages.
> My advice, is buy the books shilled on the doc page.
> They ain't selling entire books on the subject for no reason.
> The reason is, that you will need them.
Oh really? I have a windowsME book at work that is all of 700 pages
long. I guess that much is really nessesary to understand that
incredibly complex operating system.
=====.
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