Linux-Advocacy Digest #944, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 19:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: New version of Windows! Yay! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: The Linux editor test (J Sloan)
Re: NTFS Limitations (J Sloan)
Re: Linux is a fad? (J Sloan)
Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux headache (J Sloan)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("Martigan")
Re: Linux is a fad? (J Sloan)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING (Karel Jansens)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING (Karel Jansens)
Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/ (Karel Jansens)
Re: I edited my inetd.conf with Word. ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux headache ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Tread carefully when advocating Linux & OpenS (Steve Mading)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:08:27 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
> and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> again.
> Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> Can't login to another terminal.
> Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> BRS time.
>
> Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
> churning still has not produced a working system.
>
> I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I don't
> expect much.
>
> Great system this Linux.
> Great system indeed.
> Great system NOT!!!!
>
> And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
> because that is the distribution that I bought.
You have an incredible future in writing FICTION.
However, first, you should change one detail, to make it CREDIBLE...
namely, that your story is based on experiences with LoseDOS, not Linux.
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:10:48 GMT
Followups.
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Walt, Southern California, USA
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:54:55 GMT
<95go1v$rbr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[snip]
>The dictionary definition of "atheist" is, "one who denies the existence
>of God." That is definitely an active belief.
More like a bad dictionary definition.
Check out http://www.infidels.net/news/atheism/ .
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 1d:08h:18m actually running Linux.
Microsoft. When it absolutely, positively has to act weird.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:11:49 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> > properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> > just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
> > and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> > times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> > again.
> > Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> > Can't login to another terminal.
> > Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> > BRS time.
>
> Just give up on Linux already. You're cursed.
>
> I've been using it for 6 years now, and that's never happend to me.
>
That's becase you didnt ADD the following line to your /etc/fstab like
flathead
/dev/kmem swap na na na
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: New version of Windows! Yay!
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:16:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 02 Feb 2001 20:38:22 GMT
<95f5rt$k4q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Got this from email. It's probably old by now, but here you go...
>
>' It seems Microsoft has come up with a new operating system that
>combines the attributes of Windows CE, Windows Me, and Windows NT. It
>will, of course, be called Windows CEMeNT -- "Hard as a rock, Dumb as a
>brick." '
And remember, it's technologically innovative. :-)
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- should we call it CEMeW2k instead, though? :-)
EAC code #191 1d:09h:24m actually running Linux.
>>> Make Signatures Fast! <<<
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:20:51 +0000
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> This sounds like a challenge. After a little work, I have the following
> questions/observations:
The original challenge came from a Linux advocate, who told me that PFE (a
GUI Windows editor) would barf long before loading a 100MByte file, let
alone a 100MByte one. They also seemed to think AbiWord was a wonderful
editor. That's what got me started on this.
> [1] Did you configure your swap properly? :-)
It's a 250MByte swap partition. You mean I have to do more than that?
> [3] Reading large files with Notepad is not recommended. On NT4,
> even just killing Notepad takes awhile, whereas vi (actually,
> elvis) responds immediately to my control-C and stops reading.
> I discovered this at work, the hard way. (Sorry, I don't have
> wallclock times for these.)
PFE struggled but loaded, saved and reloaded the file.
> [5] I would be curious as to whether the "Windows GUI editor" (which
> did you use? Notepad? Wordpad? Write (no longer available?)
> Word? Slick (3rd party)? VC++'s text editor? Something else?)
> is reading in the entire file or not prior to processing.
PFE (Programmer's File Editor).
The editor on Linux was the Advanced Text Editor. It hung my system twice,
apparently by allocating in excess of 300MBytes of memory.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:23:46 +0000
"--== wrote:
> and TiVo, 8-track, betamax and videtext?
About TiVo:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/16600.html
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:21:43 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:95fmge$dju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > : So, with that, I ask you guys:
> > > > : 1. Why is Linux the most vulnerable web server platform?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know. Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
> > >
> > > *PL0NK*
> > >
> > > Now I KNOW that even YOU don't know what the hell you're talking about.
> > >
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/security/defendwb.asp
> >
> > Read this and then let's see who's the one who doesn't know
> > what he's talking about.
> >
> > In case you have some difficulty in reading (as it seems to
> > be the case), I draw your attention to the following
> > paragraphs:
>
> These numbers are from April 2000 alone.
Please learn to read, before trying to post.
Quotation was from:
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/security/defendwb.asp
<quote>
For instance, out of 350 reported defacements in April 2000,
64 percent were on Windows NT (which averages about 60
percent in other months).
</quote>
I repeat so that you may understand: WHICH AVERAGES ABOUT 60% IN OTHER
MONTHS.
But if you can read, this means that you carefully cut out my quotation
(out of www.microsoft.com) in order to mislead the casual reader.
This is a bad sign: being dishonest, as you are, makes all you say
totally irrelevant.
This article being published in microsoft's site is a good thing. The
first step to improve is to recognize his own errors.
When you'll start to recognize yours, discussion may restart.
[useless dishonest crap snipped]
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:29:29 +0000
"--== wrote:
> Dont like them...sorry, maybe its personal taste, but i'd rather stay with
> windows 2000 where i can
Crash more often that you'd like?
> b) play the latest games
Before SP1 etc. certain games don't work on Windows 2000. Also, certain
older games don't recognise Windows 2000 and treat it as NT and refuse to
install. There is a tool to frig your system to get round this one.
Still, it plays a good game of Unreal Tournament, so long as you can find
video drivers for Windows 2000.
> f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all up
> because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc rah
> rah rah
How many times do you need to reboot to just change the name of the machine?
> h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to go
> through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise and then
> find it wont ?
Sometimes CLI is useful. Scripting is certainly useful. Ever tried using
the VBScript in VC++? It _leaks_ after a few hours - and needs to be
stopped and restarted to recover.
> i) who would want to sacrifice a Windows/Windows solution for a
> Linux/Windows integrated solution until there is some more solid,
> documented applications and cases that have already tried it and detailed
> the pros and cons? Linux has a long way to go before stepping up to the
> corporate plate...
Well, take a look at the number of servers out there running Apache for web
servers. More than NT/2000 and IIS.
I'd agree with you about Windows desktop though.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 3 Feb 2001 23:29:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Walt, Southern California, USA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The dictionary definition of "atheist" is, "one who denies the existence
: of God." That is definitely an active belief.
Two problems: 1 - Dictionaries don't all agree on the definition. The
definition you give isn't in the dictionary I use. 2 - How many people
writing dicitonaries are actually atheists? The authors have about as
much authority on the matter as the general non-hacker public does when
they screw up the definition of "hacker" to mean "cracker".
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux editor test
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:34:12 GMT
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> J Sloan wrote:
>
> > "alles an ort und stelle".
> >
> This has nothing to do with the topic, although I'm not overly
> surprised with your results, as they reflect my own experiences.
> You write in german there, also with the right words for the situation
> Do you speak german then?
Well, I'm just learning German, partly so that I can more
fully enjoy all the nuances of the excellent articles in c't.
Anyway, I thought "alles an ort und stelle" might convey
the sense of "everything in order, as it should be" -
I'm not surprised that my crude attempt would look
out of place to a native German speaker!
I would be honored if you point out a more appropriate
way to express the idea, I admit my German is nothing
remarkable, in fact pretty poor at this point, but I'd like
to become fluent.
MfG,
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:35:32 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > We know no such thing, it's purely a groundless allegation
> > on your part.
>
> Not really. Looking at the facts, that is a logical conclusion.
I notice that once again, you carefully snipped my
reference to the major auto manufacturer website.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:38:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Canon scanner.
> Xirlink camera.
> Lexmark printer, even has Linsux drivers but USB doesn't work.
Since flatfish threw down the gauntlet, I went to the
computer show today and bought a USB mouse and
scanner. After I get back from watching Antitrust
tonight I'll give it a whirl and report back.
jjs
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo
Date: 3 Feb 2001 23:38:14 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I'm not sure what "earth-shattering" technological innovations there
: are in Windows code, but I doubt Win2k has that many, either.
: (Hint to the clueless out there: saving a backup copy of a DLL,
: letting the installer install a new version, checking it, then restoring
: the backup copy if something goes wrong is hardly "earth-shattering". :-)
: Nice to have, perhaps, in light of DLL hell, though -- if it works.)
Not very handy when DLL upgrades are nested on top of each other, through.
Old, working DLL (1) gets overwritted by flaky vendor-supplied DLL (2),
and shortly after that a second flaky vendor-supplied DLL (3) is put on,
and now all you have is the two vendor-supplied DLLs (2 and 3), and your
old, working one (1) is gone.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:40:20 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Everything IBM has touched as far as home use is concerned has turned
> to dust.
LOL!
They sure seem to be doing well -
> Best thing Linux could do would be to keep IBM out of the
> home/desktop/Linux market.
> They will screw it up royally..
I think they learned a few lessons from OS/2...
jjs
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From: "Martigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:41:06 GMT
I must say Mr. flatfish++++, that you are a piece of work! All you have
to do is post one article and you get the whole NG ripping with energy!
BUT I do think it is quit interesting that an individual such as your
self, a anti-Linux crusader, that you are the only poor victim in this world
that is having soooo many problems with Linux! I mean by reading you posts
you think of your self as a fairly intelligent person. And any intelligent
person would read up on all the issues before installing a new OS. Or do
you approach something new like taking a DMM to a motherboard and trying to
get the capacitance of the CPU!
You do put an awful amount of energy on your "Linsux" campaign. Why
bother hanging around here if you are so fed up with the OS and think it's
worthless?
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
> and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> again.
> Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> Can't login to another terminal.
> Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> BRS time.
>
> Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
> churning still has not produced a working system.
>
> I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I don't
> expect much.
>
> Great system this Linux.
> Great system indeed.
> Great system NOT!!!!
>
> And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
> because that is the distribution that I bought.
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:42:40 GMT
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Show me a box that says "supports Linux" on the outside. Best I could do
> > was a Linksys card and even then they sent you to a website to down load
> > an ancient driver.
There are such boxes, but any card that requires you
to "go download a driver" is bad news.
stick with one that's got mainstream linux support.
BTW there is a very, very long list of such cards,
starting with the very cheap realtek 8139 cards.
jjs
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:57:01 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> > I am also convinced that IBM was the worst possible company to promote
> > and market this operating system...
>
> Weren't they the ones that gave us the 640k nightmare?
>
Ironically, I think you'll find it was a certain W. (*) Gates III who
stated that "...640 kilobytes of RAM should be enough for anybody".
(or something along those lines)
Weren't IBM the first to come with a flat-memory model O/S for the PC
(aka OS/2)?
Regards,
Karel Jansens
(*) I forgot his middle name. Wasn't it Henry? Or something with a H.
at least?
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 00:02:32 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > No. Pre-emptive multi-tasking is basically a REQUIREMENT for system
> > stability...it's not a guarantee...but you'll NEVER have a stable
> > system without it.
>
> More hot air from the orifice of the great and wonderful AK. About as bad
> as his spurious requirement that application writers need to know how a
> system scheduler works.
>
> Of course, it flies in the face of the fact that the Archimedes worked
> perfectly well for years, though it never quite survived the test of time
> (due simply to marketing, not due to the system).
>
I would say that multitasking is actually a sure-fire recipe for
disaster. In fact, the only computer that can be guaranteed to be
indefinitely stable is one that only runs one program and has no input
facilities (*). I'm sure there is a mathematical proof for this.
Multitasking is handy, but it doesn't make the computer's job any
easier.
Regards,
Karel Jansens
(*) Even more stable, obviously, is the computer without an ON-switch,
but that model - briefly pioneered by IBM in 1981 - never really
cought on.
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 00:18:37 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:55:54 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
> Ebert) wrote:
>
> Fonts under Linux are nasty looking compared to Windows and until the
> anti-aliasing gets incorporated into XFree they will continue to look
> that way.
>
> They don't have a "Font-Deuglification Hwo-To" for nothing Charlie.
>
Windows screen fonts do look better. The main reason for this is that
both truetype fonts and the Windows font rasteriser are optimised for
better screen performance.
Linux (and UN*X in general) grew up with Type I fonts (*), which are
hinted in favour of the hardcopy producing end. It's also probably
related to X's distributed model: there really is no way of predicting
on what kind of monitor the fonts will end up, so better play it safe
and go for the lowest common denominator.
If it is important to the user, there are ways to crank up linux
screen fonts to (almost) the level of Windows. IIRC, Rod Smith has a
couple of interesting web sites on that subject (I don't have the URLs
here, but a Google search on his name should most likely turn them
up).
So in the end it boils down to a strategic decision: better looking
screen or better looking printouts. As ever, take your pick and live
long and prosper with it.
Regards,
Karel Jansens
(*) OK, so there are other font rasterisers for the UN*Xen, but you
get the point.
I hope.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I edited my inetd.conf with Word.
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:52:43 -0600
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on 2 Feb 2001 00:20:24 GMT
> <95cug8$ech$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >#echo stream tcp nowait root internal^M
> >#echo dgram udp wait root internal^M
> >#discard stream tcp nowait root internal^M
> >#discard dgram udp wait root internal^M
>
> [rest snipped]
>
> One of the few things Microsoft actually did right -- yes, I know,
> everyone else uses "newline" versus "carriage return linefeed".
> Of course, maybe Microsoft should get on the bandwagon now.... :-)
Actually, no.. not everyone. The Macintosh uses simply a carriage return
without linefeed. It will be interesting to see how OSX handles this change
or if they force Darwin to be CR friendly.
>
> One of the more annoying aspects of code management on a mixed
> system is that lines added in VC++ have the ^M added on,
> readily visible in Unix (or Linux) when vi or emacs is fired up
> thereon. Visual SourceSafe also has some peculiar notions
> at times as to what to do with these ^M's; I'm still not
> sure what it's doing, but it leads to problems with scripts
> (*never* edit a shell or Perl script with Word unless you know
> exactly what you're doing;
>
> #!/bin/sh^M
>
> will lead to "file not found" errors, which probably confuses almost
> everyone unless they think to look at the first line and
> see that hidden carriage return. It's happened to me a few times.)
>
> Note also that VC++ and Wordpad handle newline more or less OK
> (Notepad is extremely stupid about it; a newline displays as a little
> black rectangle); apparently Word does, too, but likes to put the
> carriage returns in. I forget what Wordpad does.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 1d:00h:01m actually running Linux.
> Are you still here?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:45:43 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:40:20 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>They sure seem to be doing well -
Not in the home market.
>I think they learned a few lessons from OS/2...
Aptiva?
Yikes! An overpriced disaster if ever there was one.
MWave the "do it all" audio card they introduced?
There is currently a class action suit against IBM for that one
because they sold it as "flash upgrade able" and while that was
partially true, the engine could not be upgraded and became obsolete
real fast.
IBM has absolutely no idea about consumer marketing.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tread carefully when advocating Linux & OpenS
Date: 3 Feb 2001 23:48:12 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:>
:> This is why there is hostility toward GUIs - in the past ignoramuses
:> have thought that GUIs made an effective *replacement* for the CLI
:> interfaces, when in fact BOTH are equally important.
: true.
: GUI for morons
: CLI for power users
Depends on the task. GUI sucks for programming work, but I
would much rather use a GUI than a CLI if I was making a
slideshow presentation or playing a game. I am fully in favor
of GUIs *in addition to* CLIs, I just fear that the ignorant
masses will turn things into GUIs *instead of* CLI's, like
they've done on other platforms.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:51:24 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:41:06 GMT, "Martigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I must say Mr. flatfish++++, that you are a piece of work!
Actually it is Miss :)
> All you have
>to do is post one article and you get the whole NG ripping with energy!
The Lord has given me a gift :)
> BUT I do think it is quit interesting that an individual such as your
>self, a anti-Linux crusader, that you are the only poor victim in this world
>that is having soooo many problems with Linux! I mean by reading you posts
>you think of your self as a fairly intelligent person. And any intelligent
>person would read up on all the issues before installing a new OS. Or do
>you approach something new like taking a DMM to a motherboard and trying to
>get the capacitance of the CPU!
That sounds more like a Linvocate to me.
The Linvocate will know every single detail about the
DIMM/CPU/Motherboard, buy his DIMM, read the spec sheet, install it
and then find out his motherboard doesn't work well with Linsux.
The Windows user will walk into the shop and say "I want one of
these", overpay for it, go home and plug it in and it will work.
> You do put an awful amount of energy on your "Linsux" campaign. Why
>bother hanging around here if you are so fed up with the OS and think it's
>worthless?
It's an advocacy group.
I don't think Linux is worthless. It has it's uses, but as a desktop
consumer OS it is an awful step backwards.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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