Linux-Advocacy Digest #2, Volume #32 Tue, 6 Feb 01 02:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: The Wintrolls (Donn Miller)
X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!! (bigbinc)
Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is awful ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Charlie Ebert)
Tuesday 6 February 2001 LXNY Meeting: David Sugar, head of Bayonne, will speak on
the present situation and the coming struggle ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: UltraEdit in Linux? ("Robert Morelli")
Re: Linux is awful (Charlie Ebert)
Re: how come you have to reboot when you change DNS servers in Windows? (Charlie
Ebert)
Re: Linux performance results (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Karl Knechtel)
Re: The Wintrolls (Charlie Ebert)
Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!! ("Robert Morelli")
Re: Linux performance results (J Sloan)
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:07:38 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Edward Rosten wrote:
> > all data ? Ever wrote a 400-pages document and Word 97 didn't agree
> > with
>
> Ouch! 400 pages in word? You must like punishment :-)
I've done a 100+ page thesis with MS Word, version 2.0a, under Windows
3.1. This was back in '94. The thing was like 130 pages long, and had
tons of embedded EPS and TIFF images (for the illustrations). It also
had a ton of equations embedded in it. In all, THESIS.DOC was ~ 4.7MB
in size. I had a hell of a time printing that thing out, because the
postscript driver would always crash before I could get the entire
document printed. (You do remember the problems MS had with their
postscript driver a long time ago, in the Win 3.1 days?)
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From: bigbinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!!
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:14:21 GMT
I am very pissed off. I like Linux and Unix. I have been studying the
works of Linux from his earlier versions of linux and it is very good
modification of the minix system. The author of Minix actual argues
that a microkernel based is more efficient but linux still is more
powerful. Anyway, with all that said, Linux the Os is Cool. What is
it missing, a GUI that is worthy something. And, I have been trying x-
windows and I just quit because I just found out how crappy the system
is and a waste of my time. I would rather have more fun writing an
alternative and wonder if someone has(I think I will actually).
Because X-windows is just too bothersome. Does anybody else agree?
Berlin Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This guy agrees with me.
http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
--
"...yes darling, computers are people too..."
bama.ua.edu/~brown084
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!!
Date: 6 Feb 2001 06:29:57 GMT
bigbinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am very pissed off. I like Linux and Unix. I have been studying the
> works of Linux from his earlier versions of linux and it is very good
> modification of the minix system. The author of Minix actual argues
> that a microkernel based is more efficient but linux still is more
> powerful. Anyway, with all that said, Linux the Os is Cool. What is
> it missing, a GUI that is worthy something. And, I have been trying x-
> windows and I just quit because I just found out how crappy the system
> is and a waste of my time. I would rather have more fun writing an
> alternative and wonder if someone has(I think I will actually).
> Because X-windows is just too bothersome. Does anybody else agree?
No one else agrees.
You havent even said exactly what your problem is with it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: 6 Feb 2001 06:30:49 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> You are an idiot who can't even read your own messages.
>>
>> Back in the bozo bin with you because it's obvious you are drinking
>> again.
> Fish do the drinking, don't they?
> Anyway, why are you guys polluting this serious newsgroup?
> Be nice. Go to a sucks site or some advocacy site, to
> talk this crap, por favor.
I been here WAY longer than you.
YOU go away.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows
Date: 6 Feb 2001 06:32:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stuart R. Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lincoln Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Probably true if you consider Solaris or VMS, but who can afford the
> : price of the software and specialized hardware?
> : On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:39:38 GMT, "Stuart R. Fuller"
> : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>Charlie Ebert <charlie> wrote:
> :>: Linux has the BEST uptime record of any operating system in the
> :>: world.
> :>
> :>Well, between Windows and Linux, that might be true. However, there's more to
> :>the world than Linux and Windows.
> :>
> :> Stu
> I was specifically referring to VMS. One site had an uptime of 18 years (yes,
> 18 YEARS). Longer than since Linux was invented!
That machine must have been very useful after 18 years. :P
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:41:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, G3 wrote:
>in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote on 2/5/01 3:14 PM:
>
>> Well, I don't know where they went to school..
>> but at Purdue, the FIRST thing the profs always discussed in a programming
>> assignment was "what resources do we have available"
>>
>> Conversely, the CS profs always assumed virtually infinite resources.
>
>They went to RPI.
>
>> You must be the ****ONLY*** person in the WHOLE FREAKING WORLD whose
>> PS/2 keyboard wasn't detected during a Linux install.
>
>> 12x ATAPI CD-ROM not detected???
>> I'm not buying THAT load of horse-shit either,
>
>Actually if I recall specifics it wasn't detected under X-Windows, I seem to
>recall being able to get at it from a text prompt.
>
Humm. You must have set up X improperly.
Oh well.
>> How exactly did you get the install-CD going if the CD-ROM wasn't recognized?
>>
>> Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>
>With some stupid boot disk they sent with it.
>
A boot disk is just that. It's a boot disk.
Whether it's made for Linux or made for Microsoft,
it's unlikely to help you build that backyard atom bomb
you've always wanted.
>>> that'd be at least a feasible task, still even the ABIT motherboard is
>>> pretty normal so I'm fairly disappointed the thing didn't go smoother than
>>> it did.)
>>
>> Just fuck off and die, asshole.
>
>Yep this folks is exactly why linux will NEVER be a consumer OS, its
>progenitors insist that if you don't know all its ins and outs like they do
>your problems simply can't exist.
>
>-G3
>
Well,
Linux is a consumer OS.
See, it's the doubling cost of Windows which is killing it.
That and the *FACT* that with every release of Windows it's
obsoleting your PC. It's absolutely *TRUE* that if your
currently *happy* running NT on a Pentium class machine,
if you upgraded to W2k you wouldn't be. You'd want a
faster machine to go with your upgrade. So you might
as well buy yourself a new machine to start with.
That's the kind of shit Linux stops.
It's stops the Microsoft effect on your corporate assets.
Computers *USED* to be a benefit to society.
That was they *USED to be* before Microsoft came along.
You compare what Debian has to offer in 2.2R2 against
W2k and you see there is no comparison in performance,
cost, and *UPTIME*.
Perhaps you would rather just have a net appliance than
a PC. I think a great many of the former PC users
will be using them in the future.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Tuesday 6 February 2001 LXNY Meeting: David Sugar, head of Bayonne, will
speak on the present situation and the coming struggle
Date: 6 Feb 2001 01:43:53 -0500
LXNY will have a general meeting Tuesday 6 February 2001.
This meeting is free and open to the public.
The meeting runs from 6:30 pm to 9:00 pm. After the meeting full and
precise instructions on how to get to our traditional place of refreshment
will be given in clear.
Thanks to support of the IBM Corporation, the meeting is at their building
at 590 Madison Avenue at East 57th Street on the Island of Manhattan.
Enter the building at the corner of Madison and 57th and ask at the desk
for the floor and room number.
<blockquote
from="http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-02-03-002-21-NW-CY"
edit-level="light">
David Sugar writes:
On the evening of Tuesday, Feb. 6, I will be speaking before LXNY to
discuss recent events and future plans for Bayonne, the telephony
application server of the GNU project (http://www.bayonne.cx), in
particular the Free Telephony Summit (22 January 2001), where leaders from
many free telephony software projects, including myself, Craig Southern
from openh323 (http://www.openh323.org), Zaphir from pre-viking
(http://www.bellworldwide.net), Kevin Lenzo from CMU sphinx
(http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx), Luan Dang from Vovida Org
(http://www.vovida.org), and several people representing the Voxeo
community site (http://community.voxeo.org) recently gathered at the
offices of Open Source Telecom to discuss the current status of,
interoperation with, and further advancement of free telephony software in
general.
In addressing LXNY, I do hope to talk further about Bayonne, where it
actually fits in the GNU project as a whole, and particularly the effort to
promote GNU Enterprise solutions, and certainly how we will work to further
support many of the other free telephony projects currently under way. I
plan to cover Bayonne architecture and how usable applications can be
deployed, whether for SOHO, enterprise voice applications such as call
centers and voice mail, or for deploying Bayonne hosted carrier services
for the current and next generation telephone network.
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2001-01-21-004-04-PS-KN
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-10-25-009-20-PS
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-09-25-010-20-NW-EM
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-09-25-008-06-PS-SV-SW
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-09-21-005-20-NW-EM
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-09-21-001-20-NW-EM
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-09-18-018-04-NW-CY-EM
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-09-18-011-20-NW-EM
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-09-16-014-20-PS
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-09-10-004-21-NW-BD
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=3D2000-05-03-007-04-OS
</blockquote>
<blockquote
from="http://www.softseek.com/Linux/Internet/Web_Publishing_Tools/Servers/Review_44696_index.html"
edit-level="light">
Bayonne is the multiple-line, "voice response" telephony server of the GNU
project.
The purpose of Bayonne is to provide a service daemon which can automatically
process telephone callers on a GNU operating system in an extensible manner.
It uses extension scripting to specify and control call flow, and is suitable
for building applications involving "Interactive Voice Response",
telephone-based system administration and control, and voice messaging.
In addition to scripting, Bayonne is fully modular and can be integrated with
many common GNU system services.
Perl scripts and system applications can be invoked through TGI (Telephony
Gateway Interface) offering Web integration and v-commerce solutions.
Plug-ins can be developed to directly extend the Bayonne server and to
introduce services not yet envisioned.
More information:
Bayonne Home Page
http://bayonne.sourceforge.net/
</blockquote>
David Sugar will also present a short overview of the situation along a
front too little reported on: the telephony front in the protracted
struggle for freedom on the Net.
http://www.fsf.org
http://www.eff.org
http://cryptome.org
LXNY needs volunteers for the hard work of education and propaganda ahead
of us. If you want to help come to this meeting.
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
PS: Congratulations and many many thank you!s to NYLUG and LILUG and BNL
and FreeStandards and Windowmaker and LTSP and Debian and LDP and NetBSD
and SEUL and Free Verse and all the rest of the Organizations and Members
who helped make the Pavilion of ORGs the center of the Free Software Expo
just now held at The Javits!
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From: "Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UltraEdit in Linux?
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:44:47 -0600
In article <95lb17$vhf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hi all:
>
> i am a loyal user of UltraEdit for years under Windows. recently i am
> using more and more Linux for software development, but i haven't really
> found an editor that is quite as good and compact as UltraEdit. so far,
> i've just been using the regular/standard editors that come with Linux,
> such as vi, emacs, and pico.
>
> i would like to have something that would run under X and somewhat
> resembles UltraEdit (keyword high-lighting, space-tab option, auto
> format, and most importantly, the vertical selection!) anyone have any
> idea of such editor in Linux?
I don't know Ultra-Edit, but the features you mention seem to be fairly
basic. You can certainly get them all in emacs and XEmacs for instance.
(I assume that the most important one for you, vertical selection, is
what would be called a rectangular selection in emacs. You get it by
using M-Button1, i.e. by dragging the mouse with the meta key.)
There are emacs modes for all the commonly used programming
languages. They do the basic things that you mention, and in some
cases quite a lot more.
On the other hand, I think you may end up frustrated by the user
interface of Emacs and the other common Linux programming editors.
Part of the problem is that Linux has no standards for user interface
design, and many Linux programmers don't even seem to be aware
of the need for such standards. Even things as simple as drag and
drop are rarely implemented by X applications, a problem
compounded by the existence of four or five incompatible dnd
protocols under Linux.
Since Linux is so totally backwards in this respect, the best that
we can hope is that over time Linux apps will converge on the CUA
standards that guide Windows development, and which more or less
agree with ui standards for the other major non-Unix platforms. I
suggest that if you care about the future of Linux, you should encourage
all Linux developers to try to respect Windows ui standards.
The interface of vi is among the most bizarre I have ever encountered.
FSF Emacs is quite weird but not as bad. XEmacs is somewhat weird,
but there is a ray of hope for XEmacs since its next release will be based
on gtk. This is a small step in the right direction.
My understanding is that NEdit was built from the start to adhere to the
Windows ui standard, but I've never used NEdit so I can't say.
> thanks in advance.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:47:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On 5 Feb 2001 22:46:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>>Hey claire, just for the sake of argument, try installing FreeBSD 4.2.
>>>>It has full USB support, etc. Id love to see what happens when you
>>>>attempt to install another flavor of UNIX.
>>
>>> AIX is a piece of cake to install on an SP/2, including Perspectives
>>> and pssp code.
>>
>>I didnt say AIX, you retarded piece of ass cheese. I said FREEBSD.
>
>You said and I quote "ANOTHER FLAVOR OF UNIX".
>
>>I know EXACTLY how easy AIX is to install. I also know how easy Solaris
>>and HP/UX are to install. MacOS is very easy too. I'm not talking
>>about any of those.
>
>No you don't.
>You don't have a clue.
>
>>Again you ignore that which you cannot face, including the post where
>>I asked you to provide proof that I said my girlfriend lives in the
>>hamptons, AND the post after that asking once again.
>
>You said. it.
>Prove you didn't.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
It's rather fun watching you debate your way into
a heart attack.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: how come you have to reboot when you change DNS servers in Windows?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:51:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, jtnews wrote:
>I was trying to experiment with
>various networking options in windows
>98se and for each little different
>configuration like changing a DNS server
>I had to reboot windows. Why is that?
>Does Win2K require you to do the same thing?
>
Their networking is straight in the kernel.
They don't have a modular kernel.
>How come in Linux you can turn the networking
>interfaces on and off and configure whatever you
>want without doing any reboot?
>
Modular Kernel
>Can't Microsoft make Windows more like Linux
>in this regard?
They've been trying to create UNIX since day 1.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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/_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux performance results
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:55:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, J Sloan wrote:
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
>> This just came in from Byte.com. It was mentioned
>> on slashdot.
>>
>> Linux (2.4 kernel) FreeBSD (4.1.1)
>> Incoming e-mail: 317 mails/sec 289 mails/sec
>> Mail relaying: 182 mails/sec 214 mails/sec
>> Fetchmail POP3: 92 mails/sec 98 mails/sec
>> Fetchmail and incoming together: 17 mails/sec 15 mails/sec
>
>> But Linux under the 2.2 kernels the performance of Linux was half
>> that of FreeBSD and 1/3 to double that of NT.
>
>Don't forget this is a raw .0 kernel - there is a heck of
>a lot of VM and other tuning that they are still working on.
>
>I wouldn't be surprised if Linux was ahead by version 2.4.5
>
Interesting.. You know the janitors are working on
eliminating waste as we speak. They found a series
of over 450 calls to a routine which wasted time in
waits which they repaired. We will be seeing that
soon.
>> Under the 2.4 kernel they show Linux just slightly behind in overall
>> average. It may be a tie if they averaged in NFS performance which
>> Linux always won at with FreeBSD.
>
>I've used FreeBSD and have a lot of respect for it.
>
>However I think the momentum of Linux is greater.
>
>jjs
>
>
I do also. The first time I used FreeBSD I was shocked
at the performance difference. It truely is the fastest
OS in the world for PC's. But it's license, its
upgrade path, 95% emulation of linux for X, and lack
of driver support for common peripherals made me drop
it for Debian.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl Knechtel)
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:27:33 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: G3 wrote:
: >
: > in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: > wrote on 2/5/01 3:14 PM:
<snip Kulkis being his usual self and arguing with some lame troll>
Why am I reading this in rec.games.frp.dnd?
<Follow-ups set>
Karl Knechtel {:>
da728 at torfree dot net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:59:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, J Sloan wrote:
>Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
>
>> > No sane person would use Linux on a home desktop system as their primary
>> > operating system.
>>
>> They all said I was mad.
>
>Welcome to the looney bin then!
>
>I've been using Linux as the primary OS both at
>work and at home for years now, and I've never
>regretted it for a moment.
>
>jjs
>
Me too except for work.
But that will change some day.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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From: "Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!!
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:59:49 -0600
In article <95o4np$d5p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "bigbinc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I am very pissed off. I like Linux and Unix. I have been studying the
> works of Linux from his earlier versions of linux and it is very good
> modification of the minix system. The author of Minix actual argues
> that a microkernel based is more efficient but linux still is more
> powerful. Anyway, with all that said, Linux the Os is Cool. What is it
> missing, a GUI that is worthy something. And, I have been trying x-
> windows and I just quit because I just found out how crappy the system
> is and a waste of my time. I would rather have more fun writing an
> alternative and wonder if someone has(I think I will actually). Because
> X-windows is just too bothersome. Does anybody else agree?
I do agree. You might want to have a look at
http://www.xfree86.org/~keithp/talks/usenix2000/render.html
which explains the historical context in which the highly limited
X Window system was created, and laments the 13 years of
stagnation that have left us in the technological hole we're now in.
Many Linux/Unix users live in denial about how poor Linux
technologies like X Window are. This is very unfortunate because
it contributes to the kind of extreme stagnation that those of us
who'd like something better must suffer through. Sadly, your
posting here will probably only generate some flames.
> Berlin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> This guy agrees with me.
> http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
>
> --
> "...yes darling, computers are people too..."
> bama.ua.edu/~brown084
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux performance results
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 07:04:21 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> ... The first time I used FreeBSD I was shocked
> at the performance difference. It truely is the fastest
> OS in the world for PC's. But it's license, its
> upgrade path, 95% emulation of linux for X, and lack
> of driver support for common peripherals made me drop
> it for Debian.
That's interesting - I've always thought of debian
as the "freebsd" of linux distros. I'm thinking that
those who like freebsd will usually prefer debian.
jjs
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