Linux-Advocacy Digest #179, Volume #32 Tue, 13 Feb 01 20:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: KDE Whiners (Tim Hanson)
Re: KDE Whiners (Tim Hanson)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Paul 'Z' EwandeŽ")
Re: Interesting article (Tim Hanson)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Paul 'Z' EwandeŽ")
Re: KDE Whiners
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Re: Answer this if you can...
Re: Yet another Linux/win/mac war
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:09:55 -0500
"Paul 'Z' EwandeŽ" wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > stty is documented.
> > LoseDOS registry isn't.
>
> Oh look ! Creative naming. ! Man, this Aaron guy has some really compelling
> arguments ! :)
Doesn't change the fact that
a) stty is documented
b) LosDOS registry isn't.
>
> > Spot the difference.
>
> Well, since we were talking about <QUOTE> "intuitive" interaces <QUOTE>, I
> believe the registry doesn't qualify, not being an interface. And how being
> documented makes something "intuitive" ? Don't feel the need to answer, it's
> a rhetorical question.
CONGRATU-FUCKING-LATIONS....welcome to the adult world where we
grown-ups acknowledge that there is no such thing as "intuitive"
Now...having said that...
Why are ALL Unix configuration files fully documented,
but the LoseDOS configuration file (the Registry) *NOT* documented.
>
> But you are welcome to use the documented, "intuitive" TweakUI 2K interface,
> assuming of course you want to use tab completion on Windows.
TweakUI doesn't do shit.
>
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> Paul 'Z' Ewande
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:12:15 GMT
Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> Windows is the best tool for any job. Gates is smarter than anyone else
> and cares about me. He wants to show me the way to my salvation, the
> One Microsoft Way, and he can do the same for you if you will only
> confess your sins http://www.bsa.org/ and let him into your heart.
> Someday the world will be one and we will all follow the way of the
> truth and the light, the way of Gates, because he cares for you, for me,
> and for all of humanity. We should strive to buy software scribed by
> his disciples because it is the right thing to do and will lead to our
> salvation and everlasting life.
>
> Bill and the holy mother Melinda are saving the world with the money we
> send them. We should be generous in our gifts to Gates because he and
> Melinda are saving the world and in return bless us with more of the
> Holy Scriptures.
>
> Do not be tempted by Satan. He comes disguised in a black suit with a
> big yellow beak. He will try to tempt you away from the One Microsoft
> Way by showing what he says is the true scripture, which he would like
> you to believe is "open" and something that we too gaze upon and even
> can change. He tries to make us worship the idol of this "open source"
> scripture to lead us away from the One Microsoft Way. Do not be led
> astray. Do not be moved by this blasphemy.
Brother Gates! Brother Gates! Hallelujah! Here is my check for
$1999. Give me my salvation!!!! Windows 2000 Advanced Server!
Glory Be!
Haw haw haw!!!
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:15:20 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Edward Rosten
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:10:15 +0000
<967d65$7us$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I'll bet everyone of the machines ran Windows flawlessly, all features
>
>Nah. They can't because windows won't run flawlessly, which is why it
>will be dead in a few years.
I doubt that very much, somehow. Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't mind if
it dropped off the face of the Earth tomorrow; it has a stupid API,
an unreliable foundation (NT4; Win2k is better, but...), and a track
record that would make anyone not so envious. However, it is also an
essential part of many enterprises and a monopoly on the desktop.
To dislodge that sort of market power will take time. Quite a bit of
time, I would estimate; certainly more than a few years.
(How long did it take IBM to lose its hardware monopoly on the PC,
for example?)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 8d:08h:43m actually running Linux.
This is not a .sig.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:18:59 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> Tim Hanson wrote:
> >
> > Windows is the best tool for any job. Gates is smarter than anyone else
> > and cares about me. He wants to show me the way to my salvation, the
> > One Microsoft Way, and he can do the same for you if you will only
> > confess your sins http://www.bsa.org/ and let him into your heart.
> > Someday the world will be one and we will all follow the way of the
> > truth and the light, the way of Gates, because he cares for you, for me,
> > and for all of humanity. We should strive to buy software scribed by
> > his disciples because it is the right thing to do and will lead to our
> > salvation and everlasting life.
> >
> > Bill and the holy mother Melinda are saving the world with the money we
> > send them. We should be generous in our gifts to Gates because he and
> > Melinda are saving the world and in return bless us with more of the
> > Holy Scriptures.
> >
> > Do not be tempted by Satan. He comes disguised in a black suit with a
> > big yellow beak. He will try to tempt you away from the One Microsoft
> > Way by showing what he says is the true scripture, which he would like
> > you to believe is "open" and something that we too gaze upon and even
> > can change. He tries to make us worship the idol of this "open source"
> > scripture to lead us away from the One Microsoft Way. Do not be led
> > astray. Do not be moved by this blasphemy.
>
> Brother Gates! Brother Gates! Hallelujah! Here is my check for
> $1999. Give me my salvation!!!! Windows 2000 Advanced Server!
^^^^^^
Shouldn't that be $2001
> Glory Be!
>
> Haw haw haw!!!
>
> Chris
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:19:45 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Edward Rosten
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:10:15 +0000
> <967d65$7us$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> I'll bet everyone of the machines ran Windows flawlessly, all features
> >
> >Nah. They can't because windows won't run flawlessly, which is why it
> >will be dead in a few years.
>
> I doubt that very much, somehow. Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't mind if
> it dropped off the face of the Earth tomorrow; it has a stupid API,
> an unreliable foundation (NT4; Win2k is better, but...), and a track
> record that would make anyone not so envious. However, it is also an
> essential part of many enterprises and a monopoly on the desktop.
>
> To dislodge that sort of market power will take time. Quite a bit of
> time, I would estimate; certainly more than a few years.
>
> (How long did it take IBM to lose its hardware monopoly on the PC,
> for example?)
About 12-24 months.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 8d:08h:43m actually running Linux.
> This is not a .sig.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:20:35 GMT
Nils Zonneveld wrote:
>
> Tim Hanson wrote:
> >
> > Ximian, which was Helixcode, son of GNOME, bought space from Google to
> > put up their ad every time someone types KDE or Konqueror or a bunch of
> > other KDE related names into their search field, sort of like Sun
> > putting up ads on Linux sites, or Linux companies putting up ads on
> > Microsoft sites.
> >
> > The KDE babies have been grieviously offended by this and haven't
> > stopped blubbering all day. Now they they're going to sue. Good way to
> > get laughed out of an attorney's office.
> >
>
> Maybe this is just a clash of cultures: the European culture of
> cooperation and the American culture of "ripping each others balls off
> when we get the chance".
>
> Nils - bit black and white, but this is an advocacy group after all :-)
I would have said the European culture of ethnic cleansing.
--
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
-- Frank Zappa
------------------------------
From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:22:44 GMT
Mig wrote:
>
> Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> > It looks to me like simple competition, which _always_ benefits the
> > consumer.
>
> BS..... This is about KDE<->Ximian and not Gnome<->KDE.
>
> Ximian is a commercial entity that uses dirty tricks to sell their products
> - its as simple as that.
> --
> Cheers
This is the first time I've seen advertizing described as a dirty trick.
--
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
-- Frank Zappa
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From: "Paul 'Z' EwandeŽ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:50:34 -0800
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> CONGRATU-FUCKING-LATIONS....welcome to the adult world where we
> grown-ups acknowledge that there is no such thing as "intuitive"
Thank you for ushering me in. Really. <Paul tries to repress his
overwhelming emotions> Awmygawd, I think I'm gonna cry.
> Now...having said that...
> Why are ALL Unix configuration files fully documented,
> but the LoseDOS configuration file (the Registry) *NOT* documented.
Is that a question ? :)
> > But you are welcome to use the documented, "intuitive" TweakUI 2K
interface,
> > assuming of course you want to use tab completion on Windows.
>
> TweakUI doesn't do shit.
Prompts you to post using "creative" naming which really bolster your points
and sow what a kick ass, no neonsense adult you are. :)
<SNIP> Some more stuff </SNIP>
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:35:48 GMT
Verily I say onto you. You have been baptized by the eternal waters of
Redmond. Go now and spread the Gospel to the world, be fruitful and
multiply, or something else fun. :-)
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> Tim Hanson wrote:
> >
> > Windows is the best tool for any job. Gates is smarter than anyone else
> > and cares about me. He wants to show me the way to my salvation, the
> > One Microsoft Way, and he can do the same for you if you will only
> > confess your sins http://www.bsa.org/ and let him into your heart.
> > Someday the world will be one and we will all follow the way of the
> > truth and the light, the way of Gates, because he cares for you, for me,
> > and for all of humanity. We should strive to buy software scribed by
> > his disciples because it is the right thing to do and will lead to our
> > salvation and everlasting life.
> >
> > Bill and the holy mother Melinda are saving the world with the money we
> > send them. We should be generous in our gifts to Gates because he and
> > Melinda are saving the world and in return bless us with more of the
> > Holy Scriptures.
> >
> > Do not be tempted by Satan. He comes disguised in a black suit with a
> > big yellow beak. He will try to tempt you away from the One Microsoft
> > Way by showing what he says is the true scripture, which he would like
> > you to believe is "open" and something that we too gaze upon and even
> > can change. He tries to make us worship the idol of this "open source"
> > scripture to lead us away from the One Microsoft Way. Do not be led
> > astray. Do not be moved by this blasphemy.
>
> Brother Gates! Brother Gates! Hallelujah! Here is my check for
> $1999. Give me my salvation!!!! Windows 2000 Advanced Server!
> Glory Be!
>
> Haw haw haw!!!
>
> Chris
--
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
-- Frank Zappa
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From: "Paul 'Z' EwandeŽ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:52:20 -0800
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> > > > As if apps didn't crash under Linux/UNIX.
> > >
> > > Not due to kernel level deadlocks, no.
> >
> > I couldn't care less if it was caused by little gremlins. A crashed app
is a
> > crashed app is a crashed app. And this sh*t also happens on UNIX/Linux
> > systems.
>
> You're missing my point....
And you're missing mine, apparently. It's okay, those things happen.
<SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:47:29 -0000
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:20:35 GMT, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nils Zonneveld wrote:
>>
>> Tim Hanson wrote:
>> >
>> > Ximian, which was Helixcode, son of GNOME, bought space from Google to
>> > put up their ad every time someone types KDE or Konqueror or a bunch of
When is this supposed to start?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:53:38 +0000
jtnews wrote:
>
> I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
> Microsoft claims that it can run for days
> without crashing! Anyone have any real
> world experience with Windows XP?
> Is it really reliable?
>
> I already have 5 PC's at home all running
> Linux. I don't see why I need a new OS.
Well it's probably an improvement if they can use days as a sensible
uptime unit!
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:53:26 -0000
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:40:53 +0000, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>sfcybear wrote:
>
>> Yeah, And Bush won the popular vote, right? And you wonder why no one
>> believes what you say.
>
>No one believes what I say because I admit to (barely) liking Windows.
>That's the reason.
No, some of us don't believe what you say because you like
to crassly apply DOS paradigms to Unix and tend to have
problems that some of us that run under similar or identical
combinations of Distro and hardware don't.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:56:12 -0000
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:39:34 -0500, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>> No, that'n not the case. The system under UNIX isn't just simple drivers,
>> it's a filter based system. I can print PS, plain text, raw data, DVI and
>> PDF to my printer through the default queue. The filter sorts them out
>> and picks the correct interpreter.
>>
>> My buest guess is the the GIMP dirvers aren't very good.
>
>Actually, that's correct -- GIMP uses a postscript driver plugin to do
>the printing, and that plugin appears to generate somewhat bad
>postscript. I've had trouble printing out images in the GIMP, but then
>again, you can't generalize that all unix apps have trouble generating
>postscript just because the GIMP does.
OTOH, I've gotten nearly identical results on the same printer
from Gimp using PS passthru, Gimp using it's own CYMK driver
and Win98.
--
The term "popular" is MEANINGLESS in consumer computing. DOS3
was more "popular" than contemporary Macintoshes despite the
likelihood that someone like you would pay the extra money to
not have to deal with DOS3.
Network effects are everything in computing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:57:59 -0000
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:43:45 +0100, Mart van de Wege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:15:07 +0100, "Mart van de Wege"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I bet a lot of prospective Linux users will be very put off by
>>>you wishing them a massive headache.
>>>
>>>Mart
>>
>> Try looking at a Sony or Nec 17 inch monitor with 75dpi and you
>> will most definitely have a headache.
>>
>>
>> Flatfish Why do they call it a flatfish? Remove the ++++ to
>> reply.
>Yeah,
>
>Those monitors have decent dotpitch and can handle 1024x768 and
>up. So you still haven't answered my point: what if you don't
>have a kick-ass monitor? 100dpi on a lower spec monitor *will*
Then you probably don't really have the money for a computer
at all really. CRT monitors have been dirt cheap for some time
now.
>give you a headache. Convenient eh, snipping out that which does
>not agree with you?
[deletia]
--
Also while the herd mentality is certainly there, I think the
nature of software interfaces and how they tend to interfere
with free choice is far more critical. It's not enough to merely
have the "biggest fraternity", you also need a way to trap people
in once they've made a bad initial decision.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Yet another Linux/win/mac war
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:00:03 -0000
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:18:50 GMT, Harri Haataja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Pete Goodwin wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[deletia]
>>> >Ah, device drivers, an Achilles Heel of Linux.
>>> I look at it as hardware/software support.
>>> Linux fails miserably, which is why I say it sucks.
>>
>>Linux sucks because hardware manufactures see no profit in Linux and do
>>nothing to help it, is that it?
Nvidia and Matrox 3D drivers do well enough despite the apathy.
Even 3dfx drivers are not so bad, so long as it's not a BeOS
user doing the testing <snicker>.
>
>I think it's good. Looking at nVidia and the sblive stories, it's a whole lot
>better manufacturers don't make drivers.
[deletia]
--
Ease of use should be associated with things like "human engineering"
and "use the right tool for the right job". And of course,
"reliability", since stopping to fix a problem or starting over due
to lost work are the very antithesis of "ease of use".
Bobby Bryant - COLA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:58:11 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 1. Example
>
> Start xterm, start vim, enter some text, highlight it with the mouse,
> go down a bit, press middle button, so far OK, now start a second
> xterm, press middle button, result? a newline. QED
I didn't have vim installed so a quick apt-get (I just love Debian
package management) and I tried your test. Works perfectly here.
> 2. Example
>
> Start xterm and Netscape, copy some text in Netscape, go to the xterm,
> press middle button, result? Nothing. QED
Same again. I often copy text from netscape to an xterm running vi. Never
fails.
You seem to have a really screwed up configuration (or are a lying troll).
You do have a 3 button mouse don't you? :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:06:06 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:07:53 -0500, jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
>Microsoft claims that it can run for days
>without crashing! Anyone have any real
>world experience with Windows XP?
>Is it really reliable?
Just days? Hardwired russian apple II clones were more reliable.
Bill gates deserves a house that burns to the ground every few days.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:08:00 -0000
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:36:18 +0000, pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> O[snip]
>> This is simply delusional.
>>
>> At no point in time has Microsoft bested it's competitors
>> technically. Try and demonstrate otherwise, in actual
>> detail rather than simply by empty rhetoric.
>
>Doh! People just don't listen when it comes to hating Microsoft!
>THEY WERE NOT TECHNICALLY MORE ADVANCED. THEY SOLD MORE.
>WHY?
>
>
>
>> Microsoft sold what people thought most other people used.
>> The vendorlock you allude to existed as early as 1988, more
>> than a decade ago, and prior to the existence of ANY useful
>> version of Windows.
>
>So? What you are saying by implication is that people allowed
>vendor lock-in because they bought products that ran on msdos
>EVEN when there were alternate choices?
The ignorant, given a choice between using something "good" and
using something that "everyone else uses" will tend to go for
what "everyone else uses". Increased vendorlock is the result.
With other technologies, sheepish brand loyalty only gets you
juvenile window stickers. With computing, it actually ends up
limiting what products are useful.
>
>
>> Microsoft was subjecting people to DOS driver installs and
>> manual memory management as late as the 2nd half of 1995.
>
>Yes, so? Am I saying msdos was any good? All I am saying is that
>it sold more and that is M$ became such a force - like it or not
>people (for what ever reason) chose it!
They are quite free to their own little hell. It becomes
unacceptable when it is forced (directly or indirectly)
on anyone else.
--
Common Standards, Common Ownership.
The alternative only leads to destructive anti-capitalist
and anti-democratic monopolies.
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