Linux-Advocacy Digest #184, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 04:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting article ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Chad Myers")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Mike")
Re: Answer this if you can... (Craig Kelley)
Re: NT 4.0 symbolic links? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux and the 21st Century Boom - Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: The Windows guy. (J Sloan)
Re: Peformance Test ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: The Windows guy. (Craig Kelley)
Re: NT 4.0 symbolic links? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Ethernet card for UNIX/Linux ("Martin Eden")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ("Martin Eden")
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes ("Flacco")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ("Flacco")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ("Flacco")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:03:37 GMT
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > "chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > LOL! Right. It's got NOTHING to do with it being the best tool for
> > > the job...
> >
> > In many cases, it's not, but don't tell a Unix blockhead or a
> > penguinista that!
>
> Chad continues spewing insults and calling names.
>
> Do tell, chad, if linux is just a fad, why are you so threatened?
>
> What motivtates you to haunt the Linux advocacy forums?
I pride myself if having never spent more than just a few minutes
viewing COLA. All the messages I reply to have been cross-posted
by someone else.
-chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:03:37 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Myers
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:09:05 GMT
> <5H0i6.30249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:96998r$9v6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> >But you are the exception to the norm. Even if there were a
> >> >thousand people like you, it still so insignificant as to be
> >> >almost not worth talking about. Less than one percent of one percent
> >> >or something like that.
> >>
> >> If a thousand people were less than one percent of one percent, then the
> >> total sample size would have to be larger than 10 million.
> >>
> >> Nice own goal, Chad :)
> >
> >You proved my point for me. There are tens of millions of computer
> >users, of which only a couple hundred thousand are day-to-day
> >Linux users.
>
> 200,000 / 100,000,000 = 0.002 = .2% = 20% of 1%
>
> Your math is a little off. However, you are correct (if your figures
> are accurate); we "Penguinistas" are below significance level.
Yeah, well it was all off the hip. We were all discussing relatively,
and then somebody had to start counting the grass leaves.
Anyhow, regardless, it's less than one percent and therefore
insignificant (niche).
> That said -- DOS was once below significance level.
Not as relative to the market as a whole. DOS _WAS_ the market,
in essence.
It would be more like CP/M in the DOS days, in terms of numbers,
at least.
-Chad
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:31:05 GMT
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has
all
> the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows
does all
> he needs.
>
> He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
VI. I
> tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> "Sweet!"
>
> Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> platform isn't so easy to use.
>
> The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
Windows is easier to use. And, I have all those things on my Windows machine
(vim, awk, sed, etc, etc) - and so should your coworker (if he's any good at
tracking these things down, he will have in a few days). So, then what?
-- Mike --
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: 13 Feb 2001 23:44:44 -0700
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > X11 has traditionally had crappy fonts, no argument. In fact, the
> > whole
>
> Yes argument. X has always had very good fixed width fonts. The variable
> width fonts were always sucky.
>
>
> > *design* of X had to be overhauled to support AA (which recently was
> > incorporated into the XFree86 distro via XRender). But AA is now
>
> Couldn't they have just ade an AA extension to X and mand the font server
> use the extension?
I believe that's how the new XRender module works. It's an XFree86 4
module that is capable of doing anti-alias stuff and alpha blending.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT 4.0 symbolic links?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:54:38 -0600
"Bill Shine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Soni6.498$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Would anybody happen to know if you can create symbolic links under NTFS
> with NT 4.0? I unfortunately have to use this rather brain-dead system
> at work, and the lack of mount points is driving me nuts! Our IT
> department is planning on an eventual migration to w2k by early next
> year...
Not symbolic links, but DFS does give you the ability to mount multiple
volumes under NT4.
http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/downloads/winfeatures/NTSDistrFile/Adm
inGuide.asp
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:56:10 -0600
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
VI. I
> tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> "Sweet!"
Are you not aware that sed is available for NT?
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and the 21st Century Boom - Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the
desktop
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:09:19 -0600
"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a89bb38$0$27533@reader4...
> I'll make you a deal: find me a case where MS didn't abuse that
> power to stop an OEM from shipping an alternative to Windows,
> and I'll go hunting for supporting evidence to my claim.
Huh? There is no way to prove what you're asking. All you have to do is
accuse them of having a secret deal to offset any case of an OEM willingly
choosing windows.
> Despite
> some hot-headed reaction on my side, and some extenuating
> circumstances on your side of the argument, the score is still
> (by your own admission) 1-0 in my favour.
I fail to understand why you think that tit-for-tat in licensing deals is
abuse. IBM screwed up, and didn't want to meet the terms of their license.
MS had every right to deny them a license based on their previous
violations.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:08:21 GMT
Mike wrote:
> Windows is easier to use.
Correction -
windows is easier to use only for those for whom
windows is easier to use.
I don't find windows particularly easy -
windows merely makes the easy things easy,
and the hard things just about impossible.
> And, I have all those things on my Windows machine
You have a few windows ports of some older unix
tools, but you lack the Unix environment that makes
them really effective. These tools are just a piece of
the big picture.
> (vim, awk, sed, etc, etc) - and so should your coworker (if he's any good at
> tracking these things down, he will have in a few days). So, then what?
He'd still be stuck with a windows pc -
Once you get to know Unix, there's no going back.
jjs
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Peformance Test
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:17:51 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:96bdf9$3ou$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> muppet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> When you're talking about a system which controls carbon-dioxide
lasers,
> > one
> >> bug can cause someone to die or get very hurt.
>
> > And you're controlling this safety-critical system with an NT box?
> > I was rather worried when I saw ATMs running NT, but at least that could
> > only burn money, not people.
>
> Eric doesnt understand what carbon dioxide lasers are used for. No one
> is going to die or get hurt if theres a bug in the control system.
I'm glad you're not designing them, then. Such an attitude would be quite
dangerous.
For instance, a bug in the door enclosure safety interlocks could allow the
laser to fire when someone is inside the enclosure.
> Alot of money will be lost though.
>
> Which is why that kind of thing is almost always controlled with an actual
> REAL RT embedded OS, and not NT crap.
We use RTX, a real-time kernel for NT for the time-critical code. The rest
runs in the Win32 subystems.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: 14 Feb 2001 00:10:43 -0700
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has all
> the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows does all
> he needs.
>
> He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in VI. I
> tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> "Sweet!"
>
> Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> platform isn't so easy to use.
>
> The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
I hear the same things from my Windows buddies. They saw me use wget
once and couldn't believe that it was so easy to do simple things like
grab all the AVI files from Boeing's website without having to view the
source of the HTML and grabbing the links inside them.
To Microsoft's credit, they've at least started admiting that the
command shell is more important than they previously thought. Windows
2000 comes with a lot more goodies in that department than NT4 did.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT 4.0 symbolic links?
Date: 14 Feb 2001 00:13:16 -0700
"Bill Shine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Would anybody happen to know if you can create symbolic links under NTFS
> with NT 4.0? I unfortunately have to use this rather brain-dead system
> at work, and the lack of mount points is driving me nuts! Our IT
> department is planning on an eventual migration to w2k by early next
> year...
Welcome to the wonderful world of Windows, where you can't do simple
things like that. To answer your question: no, you can't -- even
Windows 2000, which supposedly supports symbolic links, doesn't seem
to work with them most of the time.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes
Date: 14 Feb 2001 00:14:51 -0700
Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2657517,00.html
>
> So, you won't be able to run your programs on Windoze unless Microsoft
> says its OK. Seems a perfectly good reason not to run Windoze.
They see the writing on the wall. Unless they adopt the console-like
mentality of software licensing, they will have no product to sell in
a few years.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Feb 2001 17:29:46 +1100
"Chris Bennetts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Umm, around 300 hundred million computer users. And circa 10-20 million
>Linux users (and increasing). That gives Linux about half a percent of the
>market at least,
Oops --- you meant 3 to 7%, didn't you? These pesky orders of magnitude....
Bernie
--
That would be a good idea
Mahatma Gandhi
After being asked what he thought of Western civilization
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From: "Martin Eden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Ethernet card for UNIX/Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:33:14 GMT
Hi everybody.
I need an ethernet card for my new system. I'll dual boot Linux and FreeBSD.
Any advice on which one to get?
Thanks in advance.
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From: "Martin Eden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:45:36 GMT
"jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
> Microsoft claims that it can run for days
> without crashing! Anyone have any real
> world experience with Windows XP?
> Is it really reliable?
I kept Win2K up for over a month once. I played Half-Life on it and ran the
seti at home screensaver whenever I wasn't around. The only reason I ended
up re-booting was to install SP1.
Windows is more stable than Linux for desktop use - if you have half a brain
in your head and some decent hardware. The problem with WinXP resides in the
fact that once you install it, you will end up granting Microsoft the
de-facto title to your hardware. Thus, upgrading to Whistler is (IMO) too
expensive at any price.
>
> I already have 5 PC's at home all running
> Linux. I don't see why I need a new OS.
>
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:44:03 +0100
In comp.os.linux.hardware [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:04:24 -0800, "Guillermo Auad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>I have RHat 7.0 installed on my IBM thinkpad and when I type
>>
>>% ifconfig eth0 (or eth1)
>>
>>it does not find the card. The card, a 3Com 10/100 PCI Mini Ethernet
>>adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000 on the same laptop.
What card? What are you talking about???? Laptops don't have "cards" in
the same way as desktops do. They have pcmcia sockets or cardbus
sockets. You need to install pcmcia drivers, and pcmcia tools, and so
on. Then you need to teach the system about your card if its not in the
database (it will be .. I have plenty of 3com pcmcia cards).
>>Any ideas? please, reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>thx.
> Yea.
> Run Windows instead of Linsux .
Doesn't work. Never "recognized" my 3c589. Was a thinkpad too! The
wizard was very helpful, but entirely wrong and most frustrating. After
three days of circles in windows, I finallyrealized that it was
speaking crap, ignored it, set irq and ioport the way I thought
it should be, having seen the linux data, and all worked. The wizard
was trying to set the card irq to the same irq that the pcmcia
controller was using.
> Or, do without your hardware like most Linux users.
Wrong way round.
Peter
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:39:36 +0000
> He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
> VI. I tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from
The syntax is the same in vi and sed. IN vi, alll you need to do is
prepend a % or a 1,$ to the command.
> his cube.
> "Sweet!"
Sed is one of my favourite languages.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:40:57 +0000
> Windows is easier to use. And, I have all those things on my Windows
No its not*
> machine
> (vim, awk, sed, etc, etc) - and so should your coworker (if he's any
> good at
> tracking these things down, he will have in a few days). So, then what?
So what? Windows isn't easier to use.*
*Why is it easier to use? I find it harder to use than UNIX. I find
getting stuff done in UNIX much easier.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:45:00 +0000
In article <kSpi6.466$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
> VI. I
>> tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his
>> cube.
>> "Sweet!"
>
> Are you not aware that sed is available for NT?
Another nail in the coffin of windows being easy to use.
Linux: put in the CD. 0.5 hrs later, you have a fully functional system
with lots of tools.
NT: Put in the CD O.5 hrs later you have an OS with nothing of use.
Here's the hard bit: now you have to infer from something that all these
useful tools are avaliable for Windows. This is not esay since MS made
such an effort to klill the commandline.
Then download lots of stuff, then install it etc etc etc. Takes a long
time and some steps are very, very difficult.
Then you have more functional set of command line tools, with out a
decent command line window. Cmd.exe sucks. Xterm or the consoles are much
better.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:20:35 -0500
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2657517,00.html
>
> So, you won't be able to run your programs on Windoze unless Microsoft
> says its OK. Seems a perfectly good reason not to run Windoze.
They've finally, truly lost their minds, haven't they? They must feel very
complacent with their monopoly to try something like this.
Back-room deals, anyone?
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:48:31 +0000
> 64 bits operating systems are extreme overkill (have you any idea how
> big 2^64
> is?) for anything but corporate databases... *large* corporate
> databases.
32 bits are underkill. 64 bits is the next logical step.
2x as wide bus, 2x as much data per clock cycle.
IA64 runs IA32 code like a P100, so they really, really need a 64 bit
OS in order to run at a decent speed.
-Ed
> The only thing that makes 2^64 look anything but mind boggling huge is
> MS's bloatwear. They'll need that address space just for their 3D
> dancing paperclips.
>
>
> P.S. 2^64 == 18,446,744,073,709,551,616
Have you memorized that ;-)
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:49:35 +0000
> Windows is more stable than Linux for desktop use - if you have half a
Where did you invent that POS from?
Windows being stable != linux being unstable.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:36:21 -0500
> We need more people to get fed up. Why do stores insist on knowing your
name
> and address when you pay cash anyways? Simple. It's for spamlists.
...and store catalogs (radio shack is big on this). And signing receipts on
those digital pads so they can digitize your signature.
I just say "No thanks" to all that stuff. Sometimes the clerk doesn't know
how to do it without it - I make him get the manager.
> And snailspam is invasive. It's like the lame mail in rebates on
everything.
> They overprice it and "offer" the rebate.
...and are very reluctant to *give* the rebate for that matter. I've never
received my rebate for a 3Com/USR Courier modem. Like the vast majority of
people, I've given up on ever seeing it, but I've learned my lesson: I
never consider the rebate amount on anything when I make a purchasing
decision.
> : Caller ID is good for this.
Answering machine.
I moved recently, and got a new phone number. The loser who had this number
before me must have had some serious credit problems, because I get
collections calls for someone named "Tracy" daily.
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:40:52 -0500
> Bill gates deserves a house that burns to the ground every few days.
He could afford it.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:06:50 +0000
> I'll try to rephrase in Windows terms: printer setup creates a printer
> queue (which would - extremely roughly! - be the equivalent of an
> installed printer in Windows - it's not, but let's not split furs). You
> can have many different queues, just as you can have many different
> printers installed in Windows. Right? If in Windows you choose to print
> to a Canon bubblejet, while your printer port has a LaserJet hanging
> onto it, you get the same surrealistic results in Windows.
>
> Now the differences: In Windows everything has to go through the Windows
> printing system (which rasterizes your output and translates it into
> something a particular printer can understand), but in linux,
> applications can (and often do) come with their own printer drivers
> (StarOffice, WordPerfect, Applix Office...), so you can bypass the
> rasterizer (in linux: Ghostscript) completely.
Also, under Linux, you can have as many rasterizers on the queue as you
want. So my printer appears to understand PS, DVI, PDF and a few other
kinds of file. It also understands text and PCL which are passed straight
through.
> Why is this a good idea? System-wide printing subsystems have to go for
> the lowest common denominator, because it has to work for every printer
> possible. But specific printer drivers can go to the bone and squeeze
> the last dot out of the drum, or achieve faster-than-light printing
> results (i.e. in Applix, using the native PCL driver, my LaserJet 4
> spews out copy so fast the paper hits the opposing wall
> <G>).
In some cases it doesn't matter. I have a hp500. My computer can handle
PS much faster than the printer can print.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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