Linux-Advocacy Digest #189, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 13:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ("Todd")
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: To Aaron ("Todd")
Re: Windows vs. Unix printer model (Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Ethernet card for UNIX/Linux ("Chris Coyle")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Donn Miller)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:59:28 +0800
"jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
> Microsoft claims that it can run for days
> without crashing! Anyone have any real
> world experience with Windows XP?
> Is it really reliable?
No way to tell until its been out for a couple of years...
However, NT was more stable than 9x and 2000 is more stable than NT...
So, I guess one *could* conclude that XP will be more reliable than 2000.
However, I wouldn't bet my life on it.
2000 is pretty darn stable. I've had almost zero problems with it, and it
runs DirectX 8 ! What more could you ask for? hehe... I know I'm gonna get
quite a few responses here... :)
-Todd
>
> I already have 5 PC's at home all running
> Linux. I don't see why I need a new OS.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:01:54 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : > No thanks. I'll just use Slackware. You forget something. Maybe some people
> : > are SICK AND TIRED OF GIVING OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION. I'm one of them. I use
>
> : Damn straight.
>
> We need more people to get fed up. Why do stores insist on knowing your name
> and address when you pay cash anyways? Simple. It's for spamlists.
What I really hate is Radio Shack's insistance on getting my complete
address EVERY TIME I buy something from one of their stores.
They should just ask me if I'm interested in changing my address
so that they can continue to send me their circulars.
>
> : > cash as much as possible these days. I use no "preferred customer card". I'm
>
> : Same hear. I am absolutely repulsed by the idea of a supermarket
> : keeping
> : track of what particular items I, as an individual, purchase at their
> : store.
> : They know what their sales rates are. They have absolutely *NO* good
> : reason
> : to know exactly who purchased what item, other than for the purpose of
> : being
> : extremely invasive.
>
> And snailspam is invasive. It's like the lame mail in rebates on everything.
> They overprice it and "offer" the rebate.
Too true.
>
> : > damn near to the point of using an alias when shopping with fake address when
> : > asked for that information. I no longer answer the phone due to telemarketers,
>
> : Caller ID is good for this.
>
> I get extremely few legit calls.
Sucks to be you.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:04:12 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Mike Martinet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Whoah! Hold on there little buckaroo. I'm the one who said I hope MS
> : tries to turn their software into a subscription service because I
> : believe it will *speed* the acceptance of Linux as an alternative. In
> : other words, I completely agree with your forklift analogy.
>
> : "This is not your father's forklift"
>
> A fun question is what is the wierdest analogy ever devised for Microsoft.
>
A rapist who's infected with Hepatitis, Gonorrhea, and AIDS.
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Aaron
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:04:43 +0800
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:96ecs3$ikb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok,
>
> > So check out www.tkpowers.com now... you will see that I have finally
> > *PROVEN* you wrong...
>
> > I am not Todd Needleham from MS or whoever...
>
> > So, now that the facts are put out in front of you, will you be a man
and
> > admit you were wrong?
>
> > The fate of Linux advocates rests in your hands...
>
> What the fuck does what he typed have to do with anyone or anything else?
Actually, I was just joking there...
> You may not be that todd needleham person, but you are beyond the shadow
> of a doubt a complete moron.
You linux advocates are getting a wee bit too serious...
-Todd
>
>
>
>
> -----.
>
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows vs. Unix printer model (Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:06:14 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Neil Cerutti"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten posted:
>>That's not true. If you print to a captured port rather than an
>>uncaptured port if the printer is plugged in to your computer, then the
>>print job will go through the spooler.
>
> I've captured LPT1: for network printers in Windows 95 (various
> flavours), but is it possible to do so in Windows NT 4? I haven't been
> able to find the technology, and it's convenient/necessary for printing
> from old console applications that just want to dump to LPT1:.
It works under NT4. I've used it to print PS directly to a networked
printer from the DOS Print command.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:09:57 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "chrisv"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
>>VI. I tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from
>>his cube.
>>"Sweet!"
>
> Since when is a global replace in a text file difficult to do in
> Windows?
Since windows can do only a global replace on one item only. Usind a
proper tool, you can do global search and replace using regex's
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:21:07 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On 11 Feb 2001 21:48:25 GMT, Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
>
> Does this mean I can run slower and still use the same calories?
>
Approximately, yes. Although, in general, faster movement tends to
be a little less efficient (i.e. a little more energy expenditure
for the same distance travelled); with wheeled and flying vehicles
it's due to drag...for walking/running, it's due to greater
up and down movement (waste work), and more energy expended in
large muscular groups counter-rotating the upper and lower torso.
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:21:25 +0000
>>Nah. They can't because windows won't run flawlessly, which is why it
>>will be dead in a few years.
>
> I doubt that very much, somehow. Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't mind if
> it dropped off the face of the Earth tomorrow; it has a stupid API, an
> unreliable foundation (NT4; Win2k is better, but...), and a track record
> that would make anyone not so envious. However, it is also an essential
> part of many enterprises and a monopoly on the desktop.
>
> To dislodge that sort of market power will take time. Quite a bit of
> time, I would estimate; certainly more than a few years.
I though so too, but MS have been coming up with some pretty nasty ideas
recently. If they push them, then I think that Windows will be gone much
sooner than I perviously thought.
-Ed
> (How long did it take IBM to lose its hardware monopoly on the PC,
> for example?)
>
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:26:06 +0000
> Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> I've had an excellent time with my old ThinkPad 390E. ThinkPads in
> :> general tend to have 3 button trackpoints, the non-i* ones have no
> :> useless Windows keys, the keyboards themselves are large and there's
>
> : Windows keys aren't useless. Thay can be mapped to compose, if you're
> : that way inclined, or to some of the function keys that the Sun
> keyboards
> : have, like copy, paste, cut.
>
> I've mapped the right alt for the ever-important "compose" key
> (how can one spell naïve without it? :),
..
Naive ? :-)
Live th
but just the notion of
> a software corperation's trademark hogging up space on a laptop
keyboard
Pen knives come in useful. You can scratch off tehlogo in no time. On an
ordinary keybaord, you could probably just replace the key caps.
> (which, being a laptop, can't be easily replaced) I find somewhat
> annoying. Of course, for me the real selling point was a 3-button
> trackpad (which runs like a charm for X11 apps), but the keyboard was
Nice.
> just icing on the cake - so to speak.
>
> : If I wasn't a lazy miser, who won't throw away a working keyboard*
> then
> : I'd get one with the extra keys.
>
> : *I still have an 83 key keyboard (somewhere) from an old 8086 RM
> Nimbus.
>
> The new Sun type 6 keyboards come in USB varieties. I might just have
> to fetch one in case my current Pfuca keyboard drops dead someday.
> Having actual "cut/copy/paste" keys would be nice.
If my keyboard dies, then I will too (I would get a USB card if that was
the case, as I don't have USB). However this is one of those rather
reliable Cherry keyboards and it isn't going anywhere. besides if it
does, I'll just reinlist my old 83 key one. Now that is one tough
keyboard.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:34:28 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:07:53 -0500, jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
> >>Microsoft claims that it can run for days
> >>without crashing! Anyone have any real
> >>world experience with Windows XP?
> >>Is it really reliable?
> >
> >Just days? Hardwired russian apple II clones were more reliable.
> >
> >Bill gates deserves a house that burns to the ground every few days.
>
> What's totally hillarious about XP being announced is that
> Windows 2000 professional was a total flop in the sales
> department.
>
> There are thousands of companies who are setting on NT for
> two reasons. #1, it would simply cost them too much to
> buy new PC's and upgrade. #2. They don't want to buy
> 32 bit CPU's when they know 64 bit is on the way.
>
> I think #2 is poetic justice for Microsoft and Intel
> as they both decided to delay the release of this
> technology even though Linux has a 64 bit OS already
> tested and ready for use.
At this rate, AMD is going to eat Intel for breakfast.
:-))))))))
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> **DEBIAN** **GNU**
> / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
> / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
> /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
> http://www.debian.org
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Chris Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Ethernet card for UNIX/Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:39:09 -0500
"Martin Eden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:_wqi6.393$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi everybody.
>
> I need an ethernet card for my new system. I'll dual boot Linux and FreeBSD.
> Any advice on which one to get?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
Wrong NG buddy.
We're too busy cursing M$ to answer a question like that.
Try comp.os.linux.networking
------------------------------
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:42:22 -0600
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2000 is pretty darn stable. I've had almost zero problems with it, and it
> runs DirectX 8 ! What more could you ask for? hehe... I know I'm gonna get
> quite a few responses here... :)
Seriously, I think it should be priced a lot lower. If they'd have priced it
around $99, I would be running it now. $199 is ridiculous, although the OS
is probably decent. (I'll never find out with a price that high.) MS really
could've had a hot one on their hands, if only they'd set the ceiling to
something more reasonable, like $99. More reasonable software pricing
translates into more sales and less boot-legging. MS has a way of screwing
themselves over a lot of times...
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:43:37 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:07:05 -0000
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:33:22 +0000, pip
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > It's kind of ironic. Every time we do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to get a
> >>> > new version of debian, Wintrolls have to *pay* for a new version of
> >>> > Windows. The higher sales figures they are bragging about are a direct
> >>> > result of them being forced to make more purchases. What a laugh!!
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it's very ironic that Windows enthusiasts keep bringing up how much
> >>> money MS has managed to extort from the market as a result of its
> >>> monopoly.
> >>
> >>All true - but remember - M$ is a monopoly because they
> >>sold what people wanted to buy at a time when the alternatives
> >>were crap. You could arue that
> >
> > This is simply delusional.
> >
> > At no point in time has Microsoft bested it's competitors
> > technically.
>
> A business need not best its competitors technically. It can
> outmarket them, for example.
>
> That said -- some of Microsoft's tactics for establishing market
> dominance are at best questionable; the notion of banning a browser
> from an initially-installed desktop because "it damages the OS"
> is laughable! (Or would be, if they weren't so damned serious about
> it at the time.)
>
> One thing they did do more or less legitimately -- although even
> here there are some questionable tactics (cf the magical "DR-DOS"
> beta error message, and the strange encryption done on some of
> their code), is that they leveraged their DOS dominance into
> Windows dominance. They then leveraged their Windows dominance
> into Win95 dominance.
>
> I'm not sure how they dominated in the DOS world, admittedly.
> DOS wasn't all that hot. (Maybe IBM helped; I forget now.)
"Per CPU licensing"
Basically, the OEM's were charged for an M$-DOS license for EVERY
computer shipped, even if MS-DOS was replaced with DR-DOS.
Effectively, this meant that choosing DR-DOS ($55) over M$-DOS ($95)
cause the consumer to pay $55 MORE, rather than getting a $40 discount.
This is blatantly illegal, which is why M$ settled out of court
with Caldera (who bought the corpse of Digital Research SOLELY for
the "latent" value of the lawsuit. Once DR had the info on what
M$ had done, they pretty much had Billy by the Ballmer....until
they ran out of money for the lawyers. So, Caldera bought DR-DOS,
based on the likely financial return once the lawyers went back to
work.
Although I have no proof, I think what helped Caldera/DR the most
was the Justice Department trial...Caldera could simply say: "Look,
Assholes....PAY UP ****NOW***** or we turn over EVERYTHING to Judge
Jackson's court."
>
> > Try and demonstrate otherwise, in actual
> > detail rather than simply by empty rhetoric.
> >
> > Microsoft sold what people thought most other people used.
> > The vendorlock you allude to existed as early as 1988, more
> > than a decade ago, and prior to the existence of ANY useful
> > version of Windows.
> >
> > Microsoft was subjecting people to DOS driver installs and
> > manual memory management as late as the 2nd half of 1995.
>
> Not to mention those HORRID protocol stacks. UGH!
> Win95 was bad, but it improved on that. (Mind you, that's
> not saying a heck of a lot.)
>
> >
> >>1. OS is a natural monopoly
>
> Bullshit. The mere fact that there are/were a fair number of operating
> systems disproves pip's statement; VMS, Apollo's Aegis, Solaris, HP/UX,
> AIX, Daisy-DNIX (now there was an OS that made Microsoft look *good*) [*],
> OSF/1, VM/CMS, RSX-11M, TOPS-20. Closer to home -- home PC, that is --
> there was CP/M, Apple ][ OS, Apple /// OS (DOS?), the IBM PC's built
> in BASIC (one has to squint a bit), AmigaOS, Atari's TOS, C64's
> built-in BASIC (one has to squint even more), Tandy's TRS-80's Basic,
> and last (well, not quite, but I don't know any more OSes) but most
> certainly not least, MacOS.
>
> To be fair, most of these are hardware-specific -- AmigaOS, for example,
> couldn't run on IBM PC hardware, although one might be able to
> recompile parts of it; I believe such a project is out there and
> ongoing, but have forgotten its name.
>
> The only exceptions (AFAIK!) are Unix, MacOS, and Windows -- although
> a number of people have written CP/M emulators, and there might be
> one for the Amiga, too, but emulators don't really count, for various
> reasons.
>
> MacOS only made it to two platforms: Macintosh 680x0, and Mac PPC,
> and all other Windows ports are now more or less dead.
>
> >> API's, file formats and device drivers are all serious "lock-in"
>
> Depends on the API. One can, for example, write X code in Windows,
> with the help of a development library and an X server, such as Mi/X,
> eXceed, or XWin32 -- X runs on a large number of platforms.
> Or one might try compiling XFree86 on NT (my understanding is that it
> can be done, but I don't know if anyone's tried it or backpatched the
> source upon failure -- note that certain clients such as xterm might
> have troubles because NT doesn't have pseudo-ttys, but this isn't a
> serious impediment to the server itself AFAIK).
>
> And of course the whole point of POSIX compiliance is to be able
> to build POSIX-compliant code -- which isn't much, as there's no
> graphics; it's not even clear to me whether it supports what
> might be called "one-key-at-a-time" mode (as opposed to buffering
> an entire line).
>
> >>2. Monopolies exist because they are the best at the time
> >> M$ provided a platform with better software than Apple did at the time
> >>
> >>They are now of course a deeply evil company in their tactics dept.
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> > Unless you've got the engineering process to match a DEC,
> > you won't produce a VMS.
> >
> > You'll just end up with the likes of NT.
> > |||
> > / | \
>
> [*] Daisy originally had a 286-based machine, vaguely reminiscent of
> a hopped-up PC with some specialized display hardware. Their original
> OS, "MAESTRO", was a single-tasking affair with some peculiar, but
> workable, internal structures -- it didn't have a seek(), for example;
> one had to maintain a structure and could manipulate a long value
> within it to indicate which bytes to operate on within a file.
> Shades of old DOS FCBs!
>
> MAESTRO's commands were all UPPER CASE. For some reason, someone over
> there had a sense of humor in naming their commands:
> DANCE (DAisy Network Connectivity Editor), DRINK (Daisy Resolving lINKer),
> SING (a simulator; I forget what it stands for), SIFT, SOM (not to
> be confused with HP-UX's SOM headers), and the usual MOVE, COPY, etc.
>
> Enter DNIX, which was Daisy's answer to Aegis, most likely (don't ask
> me where they got the Unix-like kernel), which not only had a peculiar
> mix of commands in upper and lower case, but also apparently had some
> minor synchronization problems internally, leading to unexpected
> hangs and such on occasion.
>
> Ultimately, they ported their stuff over to Solaris and then got
> bought out by Intergraph. It was bizarre.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 9d:17h:01m actually running Linux.
> >>> Make Signatures Fast! <<<
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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