Linux-Advocacy Digest #700, Volume #32 Thu, 8 Mar 01 04:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: What does IQ measure? ("Mike")
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) ("David Brown")
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) ("David Brown")
Re: Sun Blade 100 (Donn Miller)
Re: measuring uptime on Win2000 ("Mike")
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Klaus-Georg Adams)
Re: C# ("GreyCloud")
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Tim Hanson)
Re: Windows emulators ("GreyCloud")
Re: Sun Blade 100 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: C# (Craig Kelley)
Re: What does IQ measure? (The Danimal)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Sun Blade 100 ("GreyCloud")
Re: I am looking for a newsreader (Klaus-Georg Adams)
Re: Anyone else get this Konqueror error? (Ray Chason)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Stefaan A Eeckels)
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 07:18:56 GMT
"Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > A true IQ test would have to involve pictures and patterns, and
> > >> > perhaps have some mathematical basis, because these are the only
> > >> > ideas that translate well all over the world.
> > >>
> > >> I don't believe there is a true IQ test. People are good at different
> > >> thing.
> > >
> > > BULLSHIT.
> > >
> > > There is are VERY strong correlations between doing well on a
> > > well-designed IQ test, and the ability to quickly learn and perform
well
> > > at any other randomly selected task. (Quickly as compared to the rate
> > > at which an IQ 100 person [statistical mean] would learn).
> >
> > The only thing that IQ tests measure is how good you are at IQ tests.
> >
> > They put no emphasis on precision over speed, for instance.
> >
> > The kind of person that works slowly but precisely and creatively scores
> > poorly in IQ tests.
Stephen Jay Gould wrote a book a few years ago called "The Mismeasure of
Man," that looked at the history and practice of intelligence tests. It's
hard to read his book and still conclude that intelligence tests are
particularly useful. It's even harder to look at the history of the tests,
and their attempts to distill intelligence down to a single number, and
conclude that we should place much faith in them at all.
I was tested when I was in 4th grade. I don't remember much from the test,
but the few things I do remember were puzzles, similar to what Mensa
publishes. I kinda like puzzles, and I rarely miss a question in the Mensa
tests. It's not because I'm so smart, though: it's because I've seen almost
all the puzzles before, so I know the answer as soon as I see the question.
If that's all there was to this intelligence business, I'd be another
Einstein.
On the other hand, having a piece of paper that says I'm even smarter than
Einstein only convinces the folks who believe that a two hour test can
accurately indicate intelligence. It sure doesn't convince me.
-- Mike --
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:12:57 +0100
Ayende Rahien wrote in message <986fta$r6e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:986e6q$dd6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
>> Since an OS can be partially judged by the state of its development
tools,
>> and those of Linux far exceed Windows, it is difficult to argue that
>Windows
>> is "modern" in those terms
>
>Disregarding everything else you said, while I sort of agree on the general
>statement (OS can be judged by the development tools). I disagree with your
>interaption to it, since you seem to think that this statement include only
>development tools that come bundled with the OS.
>
In general, I agree with you - it would be unreasonable to judge an OS
solely by the tools that were bundled with it. There are plenty of good
tools for both Windows and Linux that do not come with the OS. But this
part of the "Microsoft Tax" thread started with the claim that one of the
modern features of Windows was the quality of the development tools that
came with it. That part of the arguement has got lost in snipping and
re-starting the thread.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:21:06 +0100
Mike wrote in message <2EFp6.27603$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:986e6q$dd6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Since an OS can be partially judged by the state of its development
tools,
>> and those of Linux far exceed Windows, it is difficult to argue that
>Windows
>> is "modern" in those terms. Indeed, Windows has taken a step backwards -
>at
>> least DOS used to come with QBasic (not the world's best development
tool,
>> but good enough for making start-up menus and the like). With Win95 it
>was
>> an option hidden away on the CD, and with newer Windows it is missing
>> entirely.
>
>Hmmm....
>
>e:\>ver
>Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
>e:\>which qbasic
>C:\WINNT\system32\qbasic.exe
>e:\>
>
>It's still buried on the CD.
>
You're right - it is still there on NT. It is missing on my Win98SE machine
at home, although that could be the stupid "recovery" CD system.
>But, still, I'm not sure I'd ever have considered QBasic to be a
development
>system.
>
>On your other points, since Perl, Python, Tcl, Tk, and various other
>scripting languages are all readily available for Windows, it seems to me
>that by judging the system only by what is included with a distribution
>disk, you're just trying to exclude Windows. Sure, this is an advocacy
>group, but you'd serve the purpose better by making the case that Linux is
>superior because of something other than the distribution disk.
>
>
As I mentioned to another poster, this is the continuation of a thread which
was specifically about bundled tools rather than available tools. This has
got lost through snipping and restarting the thread - all I was really doing
was countering the absurd claim that Windows comes with modern development
tools in the bundle. I use NT for my work, and I use Perl and Python
(amongst others) on it - I make a definite point of trying to use
cross-platform tools, giving me the choice to use whatever suits my needs.
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 02:34:47 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100
Tim Cain wrote:
> Looks pretty interesting. I'm tickled pink at the thought of having
> a Sun box sitting in my home-study, but OTOH, what the hell would
> I do with all those MIPS/FLOPS or whatever?
Just get a lower-end Sun, then, like for example, a Sparc-5 120 MHz (or
is that 150 MHz?).
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: measuring uptime on Win2000
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 07:48:01 GMT
"Henry_Barta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:985gbh$id7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> As I was rebooting my Win2000 box last night (so my son could
> print from his Win2000 box.) I was wondering how to measure
> uptime on a WinNT or Win2000 system. Is there an equivalent of
> an uptime command?
There's an uptime command in the Resource Kit, or you can go to by Mark
Russinovich's Sysinternals web site - www.sysinternals.com - and get
psuptime.
-- Mike --
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From: Klaus-Georg Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 08 Mar 2001 09:15:50 +0100
"JS PL" <js@plcom> writes:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > That's also another reason no one likes [Linux]. It's
> > > touted as being free, but it's generally not.
> >
> > Interesting assertion.
> >
> > What do you mean?
>
> Typical "not" free situation:
> I don't know anyone with the exception of myself who would download a cd
> distribution 600-1200mb of Linux. Therefore they simply pick it up off the
> shelf at a retail outlet. Pay the cashier $30-$50. Take it home and install
If they have some decent friends, they just borrow their Linux
distros, shell over 2 bucks for a couple of CDRs and burn themselves a
copy.
Just as 95% of the people I know do it with NT or W2k... but this will
end with XP thanks to the registration :-)
Then I'll watch them flock to Linux...
--
kga
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From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C#
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:21:06 -0800
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:54Fp6.36$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I've looked into ms's C#... looks like the spitting image of java to me!
> > Looks like trouble on the horizon. I wonder if Sun will sue them
again??
>
> Actually, it's not. There are a lot of differneces. The first being that
> it's not interpreted.
>
> Second, even if it were an exact clone of Java, it's already been ruled in
> court that doing so is legal, and there's noting Sun can do about it other
> than enforcing their Java trademark.
>
>
Thank you! I was very curious, because ms settled with sun and paid them
$20Million. I suppose tho that
MS will charge an arm and a leg for it.
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:23:45 GMT
"." wrote:
>
> > Well, I have had four different linux distros install flawlessly on my
> > machine until I bought OpenLinux
> > 2.4 from Caldera. I popped in the CD and all I got was a kernel panic! I
> > was glad I had the manuals
> > that came with it and finally had to use the old Lizard install program to
> > get things going again.
>
> I'll be honest with you: Caldera didn't last 30 minutes in our house.
> We tried to install and just encountered issue after issue. So I would
> have to say, not all distributions are created equal.
>
> > The best distro I liked was from a book that had slackware linux 3.5 with
> > it. The book was most
> > educational and explained quit a bit about how things worked together. It
> > was an M & T book.
>
> If I'd had a book when I tried slackware, I think I would have liked it
> more. For some reason, linux basics isn't really that big a candidate
> for free web pages and stuff. There's no nice 'how to use the shell'
> type tutorial for linux (man bash REALLY doesn't cut it if you haven't
> got the concepts down beforehand).
Have you looked at _Learning the Bash Shell_ from O'Reilly?
--
While your friend holds you affectionately by both your hands you are
safe, for you can watch both of his.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
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From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows emulators
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:23:20 -0800
"Michael Mamone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> It seems that the demands of Uni mean the end of my "No Windows" policy.
> I still want to maintain my dignity, however, so I'd like to try out
> VMWare or Win4Lin.
> What would I find better, Win4Lin running '98 (advantage of speed), or
> something like VMWare (advantage of more 'robust' MS OS's).
>
> Ta.
Don't suppose that when one runs windoze in a child window one will see
a blue screen a lot in that window??
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.12
> GCS/CC>$ d- s-:- a--- C+++ >ULPP+++ L+++>$ E--- W+ N+ >o++++
> K? w--- O? >M+ !V PS--- PE+++ Y-- !PGP t? 5 X++ >R+ tv++ b+++
> DI+ D+ G >e+++++ >h++ !r !y*
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:28:54 +1300
DOn't waste your time running crap on a Sparc, use Solaris for
christsake! more stable, developed and hardware support for Solaris
Sparc than Linux Sparc.
Matthew Gardiner
Tim Cain wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> Has anybody looked into the new Sun Blade 100?? It's around $1K, 64-bit
>> sparc, 128M, 18Gb drive, Cd-rom.
>> Runs at 500 Mhz. Uses ECC memory expandable to 2Gb. Has Gnome available
>> for it bundled in along with the other gpl software. It appears to be a
>> good buy, but I'll take a coffee break and see what others have to say about
>> it.
>
>
> Looks pretty interesting. I'm tickled pink at the thought of having
> a Sun box sitting in my home-study, but OTOH, what the hell would
> I do with all those MIPS/FLOPS or whatever?
>
> Running Linux, my old AMD k6/200 is plenty fast enough for the stuff
> I want to do: Surf the net, browse the news, a bit of spreadsheeting,
> some (very) lightweight development...
>
> It's still a very appealing idea, though. Are there any packaged
> distributions
> (a la Mandrake etc) for the Sparc platform? I guess HW support may be
> less of
> an issue here, as well (A *big* guess).
>
> Best,
>
> Tim.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C#
Date: 08 Mar 2001 01:42:57 -0700
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I've looked into ms's C#... looks like the spitting image of java to me!
> > Looks like trouble on the horizon. I wonder if Sun will sue them again??
>
> Actually, it's not. There are a lot of differneces. The first
> being that it's not interpreted.
Java isn't interpreted.
> Second, even if it were an exact clone of Java, it's already been
> ruled in court that doing so is legal, and there's noting Sun can do
> about it other than enforcing their Java trademark.
Agreed.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a PCI slot on your ATX videoboard.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:46:23 -0500
From: The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Mike wrote:
> Stephen Jay Gould wrote a book a few years ago called "The Mismeasure of
> Man," that looked at the history and practice of intelligence tests. It's
> hard to read his book and still conclude that intelligence tests are
> particularly useful.
It gets considerably easier after you read some of the commentary
on Gould's masterpiece of politically motivated deception. Start here:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kmcguinn/kdoc/mom-review.htm
> It's even harder to look at the history of the tests,
> and their attempts to distill intelligence down to a single number, and
> conclude that we should place much faith in them at all.
But we don't have to put "faith" in the tests. We put faith
in the data, because irrationality is the only alternative to
believing what you can measure repeatedly. See:
http://www.sciam.com/specialissues/1198intelligence/1198gottfredbox2.html
to get an idea of what IQ tests measure (a person's probabilities
of particular social outcomes).
--- the Danimal
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 8 Mar 2001 08:48:24 GMT
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:40:11 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> This is not true at all. If they lose their job, they need to file another
>> visa application immediately.
>
>In theory. In reality, the visa application process usually takes longer
>than they have to stay in the country. Friends of mine that are H1B's have
>tried to do what you are talking about, and found it takes a minimum of
>about 18 months to reprocess your H1B application.
But can they kick you out if you have a pending application ?
>> IMO the biggest problem is that it's very difficult for them to change
>> employers if they are dismissed without fair notice.
>
>Which is why the H1B's will do *ANYTHING* to keep on the good side of their
>employer.
IMO the real problem with the way the system works is that the INS don't
seem consistent on the subject of what H1B visas are for. They're supposed
to be non-immigrant visas, but they are used (or abused) as gateways to
immigration. This is really the INS's fault -- 6 years is too long for
a temporary visa, and they did this deliberately to attract foreign
workers. Another inconsistency is that they only allow any given
nationality to comprise 7% of green cards handed out in a given year.
The inconsistency is that they have no such policy for H1Bs. IMO they
need some consistency (especially since, oddly enough, most H1B holders
are from the countries that are at the cieling of the 7% limit.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:46:44 -0800
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Tim Cain wrote:
>
> > Looks pretty interesting. I'm tickled pink at the thought of having
> > a Sun box sitting in my home-study, but OTOH, what the hell would
> > I do with all those MIPS/FLOPS or whatever?
>
> Just get a lower-end Sun, then, like for example, a Sparc-5 120 MHz (or
> is that 150 MHz?).
>
Hard to say, Donn, on the Sparc-5... last time I checked on the price the
5's were running around $2000.
The Blade 100 is only $995 and runs at 500Mhz and is 64 bit instead of the
5's 32 bit processor. But, I bet
that the 5's will drop down in price by quite a bit. Things like that
happen.
That vax 4000... I'm getting it from a university and I was told it was
running straight for 6 years without being
shutdown or having any glitches. But I don't have the fine details to prove
this. Its their claim. On the Suns an
individual claimed to have been running one since 1999 without any shutdowns
or reboots. Then he did an update and some memory upgrades which ended that
streak.
Before I retired, I was running vms on their machines and one day my pointy
haired boss came in and said "Well, we can't afford the license contracts on
these machines so we're going to shut them down and move over to windows
machines and network them with Novell". Thats when I retired! Believe
me,... DEC was far better than windoze!
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From: Klaus-Georg Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am looking for a newsreader
Date: 08 Mar 2001 09:46:17 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Sims) writes:
> Knode is ok but I want something like Xnews, that I can run on
> my linux partition (SuSE 7.0, KDE 2.1). I have tried krn and did
> not like it either.
Try GNUS under emacs.
--
kga
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone else get this Konqueror error?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:00:37 -0000
Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>From the location bar in Konqueror v 1.98, bundled with Mandrake 7.2,
>type http://www.ibm.com<enter>. On my system, this yields a
>server-side redirect to wireless.ibm.com which in turn produces the
>following error:
>
>This browser is unsupported.
>
> The current supported browsers are:
> UP.Browser (HDML)
> Nokia (WML)
> AvantGo (HTML)
> HandWeb (HTML)
> Palmscape (HTML
>
>I have used IBM.com for months with this browser with no problems. No
>one in the kde mail group that I subscribe to gets the error on their
>versions. Can anyone confirm the error on their machine?
Confirmed with Konqueror .
Routing my browsing through Junkbuster, configured to tell the world
I'm running IE, causes ibm.com to render correctly. The "user agent"
setting on KDE 2.01 doesn't seem to work for this purpose.
Email sent to IBM's web maintainers.
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:38:53 +0100
In article <aQAp6.240$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> That statement about the GPL being free is a lie.
You are promoted to the rank of Tibetan prayer mill.
--
Stefaan
--
How's it supposed to get the respect of management if you've got just
one guy working on the project? It's much more impressive to have a
battery of programmers slaving away. -- Jeffrey Hobbs (comp.lang.tcl)
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