Linux-Advocacy Digest #913, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 00:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Chad Myers")
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux (Charlie Ebert)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Chad Myers")
Re: Seeking Comparison of Solaris & Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Germany Denies Microsoft Ban (Chad Everett)
Re: How is FreeBSD faster than Linux? ("mmnnoo")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Alan)
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:22:44 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:12:55 GMT, Chad Myers
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >So? Stringing together hundreds of boxes isn't something to really
> >be proud of, necessarily.
>
> Unless you can set a TPC record by doing it, apparently.
That would be the only way Linux could win, really.
However, if you look at the Windows results, it only took a few
boxes. No armies and armies necessary as in the Linux examples.
-c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:38:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> >Chad Myers wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > In article <va9t6.87051$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > >> Ed Allen wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > In article <cCOs6.82336$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> > >> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > >It's alright, laugh it up. I know you're really just jealous
>> >> > >> > >because you know that I'm right. You know that the only company
>> >> > >> > >who really takes Linux seriously (if that's what it really is)
>> >> > >> > >is IBM, and IBM has a poor track history with desktop and
>> >> > >> > >small-server OSen.
>> >> > >> > I suppose that is true if you have a secret definition for
>> >> > >> > "seriously" like Erik likes to do.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > How many more millions does Intel need to invest to qualify in
>> >> > >> > your private definition ?
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Lets not forget that AMD is encouraging Linux developers to use their
>> >> > >> > coming 64-bit chips. They don't qualify, why ?
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > SGI does not qualify either. Why not ? They are planning to add
>> >> > >> > their NUMA technology and sell Itanium cluster machines.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Then too, all the universities using Linux to put together their
>> >> > >> > own Supercomputers are not companies either.
>> >> > >> > http://www.vnunet.com/News/1113447
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > What do you think the graduating students will recommend for use
>> >> > >> > at their new jobs ?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Yes, a very excellent point!
>> >> > >
>> >> > >It's a very common problem.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Universities using archaic or esoteric systems to teach their students,
>> >> > >and then when the students graduate and get out into the real world
>> >> > >where companies have to make money, they realize they know nothing
>> >> > >necessary to compete.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Meanwhile, the intelligent individuals who decided not to waste
>> >> > >their time on worthless university "computer science", and instead
>> >> > >decided to learn the hot technologies that pay well and are making
>> >> > >a fortune and are in high demand, even in today's economy.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Those students may suggest it to their employers, but their employers
>> >> > >will laugh because they know the truth about linux.
>> >> > >
>> >> > I suspected you might ignore my refutation of your false claim and
>> >> > make another to change the subject, hoping nobody would notice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry Chad sock-puppets do not think or write well without their
>> >> > masters' hand up their butt.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't usually post HTML but this one's for you and I would not
>> >> > want to strain your little neuron.
>> >> >
>> >> > The first one is the *only* link I have seen for a W2K cluster.
>> >> > It is one tenth as powerful as one of the Linux links beneath it.
>> >>
>> >> Not everyone uses supercomputers. For the masses, Win2K is the fastest
>> >> clustering solution you can buy (or can't buy, as the case may be).
>> >> See www.tpc.org.
>> >
>> >Do "the masses" have $80,000 to spend in licensing fees to get lower
>> >performance than can be obtained with $100 worth of Linux CD's?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> LIES LIES LIES! Debian is less than $15 from cheapbytes
>> and even cheaper if you know what the internet is about.
>>
>
>Thanks for setting me straight, Charlie.
>
>The Microsoft:Linux initial COST ratio isn't
> 800:1, as i mistakenly suggested...it's 5333:1...or higher!
>
>
Hell just tell the truth AK.
It's INFINITY to 1.
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The Linux clusters are accomplished only by stringing together hundreds
>> >> of machines. It doesn't speak much about Linux that it's so low-performance
>> >> that you need to string hundreds of machines to achieve any respectable
>> >> performance.
>> >
>> >Must be why 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-CPU mother boards always perform BETTER
>> >when running Linux than when running LoseDOS.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > The second one explains that Linux clusters are rapidly climbing to
>> >> > the top of the list of largest supercomputers.
>> >>
>> >> So? Stringing together hundreds of boxes isn't something to really
>> >> be proud of, necessarily.
>> >
>> >Can you take 100 80386 boxes destined for the trash bin, and hook
>> >them together to get supercomputer performance using any WINDOWS
>> >product?
>> >
>> >a) yes
>> >B) HELL NO!
>> >
>> >
>> >Can you do this with Linux?
>> >
>> >a) no
>> >B) HELL YES!
>> >
>> >
>> >Ask the department at the Oakridge, TN nuclear weapons facility which
>> >needed the throughput of a CRAY supercomputer, but didn't have the funds...
>> >but were able to build a supercomputer and get the throughput and
>> >performance they need using nothing other than old 80386 and 80486
>> >machines collected from the trash-heaps of other departments.
>> >
>> >Let's see you try that with Mafia$oft operating systems
>> >
>> >Oh...and notice that Macneil Schwindler Corporation, the vendor of the
>> >most widely used Finite Element Analysis software is now advertising
>> >for Linux-people to go around to their most computationally demanding
>> >customer sites and install:
>> >
>> > LINUX CLUSTERS
>> >
>> >...to run their high-end products.
>> >
>> >Why is that?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> And even so, they're just competeing with
>> >> Unix, for the most part. For the rest of the world, there's Windows.
>> >>
>> >> > How do you think working on and building clusters big enough to be
>> >> > ranked among the top 500 supercomputers in the world deserves to be
>> >> > labeled "using archaic or esoteric systems" ?
>> >>
>> >> In terms of how the world uses computing, this is a small portion of it.
>> >> Granted, it is the largest portion in terms of MIPS, but in terms of
>> >> people using them, many more people use Windows every day for servers
>> >> and desktops. Linux is still a niche OS.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Oil companies, biotech companies, and financial houses are hardly
>> >> > what I would class as dead end jobs.
>> >> >
>> >> > The Linux community is putting together several "Supercomputer On A
>> >> > CD" distros so these clusters will become more common and the
>> >> > knowledge of how to put them together and keep them tuned up will be
>> >> > within the reach of every highschool science club.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is the territory Bill is aching about getting in to and Linux
>> >> > is here first and widening the gap.
>> >>
>> >> Not really. Bill goes after the big bucks, not some geeky niche.
>> >>
>> >> > I would let someone else show him this list if I were you, he has been
>> >> > known to spit and throw things when he is unhappy.
>> >> >
>> >> > <TITLE>Bookmarks for Chad Meyers</TITLE>
>> >>
>> >> It's "Myers", fuckwit.
>> >>
>> >> <snip: html post>
>> >>
>> >> -c
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >Unix Systems Engineer
>> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
>> >ICQ # 3056642
>> >
>>
>> The rest of this I agree with.
>>
>> Charlie
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:39:02 -0500
Michael Vester wrote:
>
> Jon Johanson wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Andy Walker wrote:
> > >
> > > "Blue Screen of Death" has a whole new meaning.
> >
> > Fortunately that's not an issue with any properly configured system,
> > especially not a W2K system hardened for military use - silly boy...
>
> Hardened for military use???
Yes...the server chassis is made of titanium alloy.
> --
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
>
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:23:43 GMT
"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <rBnt6.88480$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Not everyone uses supercomputers. For the masses, Win2K is the fastest
> >clustering solution you can buy (or can't buy, as the case may be).
> >See www.tpc.org.
>
> At $20K per CPU I hardly think masses of people will even look at
> W2K.
Then that would exclude Unix, which is way more expensive than that.
Win2K has been growing rapidly in that space due to its low-cost,
super-performing results.
www.tpc.org
-c
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Seeking Comparison of Solaris & Linux
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:41:17 -0500
Glenn Catlin wrote:
>
> Where I work we use Solaris in production, but we recently bought a Dell
> host with Red Hat Linux. One of our seasoned Solaris folk quickly
> turned her nose up after a couple of her first command-lines at the
> Linux host failed. I want Linux is succeed in my office, but I need a
> book or something to demonstrate the differences/similarities between
> the two flavors. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Probably something specifying a hardware device name...which,
unfortunately, has not been standardized completely in the Unix
world, and which more unfortunately, Linux has kind of screwed up
by putting nearly all of the devices in one huge honking directory.
What will she do when an HP is installed?
>
> - Glenn
> Philadelphia PA
> USA
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Germany Denies Microsoft Ban
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:41:56 GMT
On 19 Mar 2001 18:48:15 -0600, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hahahaha - silly penguinistas - I TOLD you it was a lie... but you choose to
>believe your own fud machines... hehe
>
>http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C42502%2C00.html
>
hahahaha - stupid MicroSoftGreyMatter...did you actually READ the article in
the link above? It confirms everything you MicroHeads were so vigorously
denying.
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From: "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How is FreeBSD faster than Linux?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:48:21 GMT
How could you not crosspost such a moving sentiment
to a freebsd advocacy group?
Ah, what might have been.
"Dark, Shadowy Hypnagogic Hallucination" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hey bastards, how the hell do you come up with this ridiculous assertion
> that FreeBSD is faster than Linux?
<snip>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:48:50 -0500
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Shades wrote:
> > >
> > > > Unix has half a dozen GUI's that are so good that Mafia$oft
> > > > copied (in their own, usual, less-than-elegant way) as much of
> > > > this functionality as they could.
> > > >
> > > > Now....if Unix is supposedly soooooooooo difficult to use, then
> > > > please explain why Mafia$oft is copying Unix ON THE BASIS OF
> > > > EASE OF USE.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do not understand this statement. Where is MS copying Unix on ease of
> > > use? All the newest GUI's I have seen on Linux look a lot like
> something
> > > I have seen before.
> >
> > Ah..more like what you've seen before were copies of Unix GUI's already
> > in existance. For example, the Windows2000 GUI is a (faulty)
> implementation
> > of the unix/linux-land Enlightenment GUI.
> >
> I remember the Mac users were saying MS copied Mac with Windows 95, but
> after I talked with alot of my friends who have used alot of different OSs,
> included Unix. The general feeling is MS copies EVERYONE but only tried to
> take the best parts. BTW you can run Enlightenment (clone) on NT4 as an
> explorer replacement, might ever be available for 2K.
M$ gives new meaning to the phrase "not invented here"...as there
is not a single feature of an M$ platform which was invented by
Microsoft.
The only "inventions" M$ can be credited with is new ways to
run a software corporation as a criminal organization.
>
> >
> > Here's a Hint....
> > Neither Microsoft nor Apple invented the GUI. In fact, even the total
> > of their work COMBINED is only a small fraction of the work done on
> > GUI development.
> >
> Debatable, but they have the 2 biggest selling GUIs out there.... Most
> Unix boxes, I have seen are CLI.....
The fact that Palo Alto Research Center invented the GUI is *NOT*
a matter of debate--it is a HISTORICAL FACT.
>
> > There have been GUI's for Unix going all the way back to early Sun
> > Microsystems products in 1984.
> >
> Beat my GUI (GEOS) on my C64 by about year.
Whoops...forgot that one from my list.
>
> > The first GUI was one that was developed in the late-1970's by the Palo
> Alto
> > Research Corporation (PARC), which, at the time, was owned by Xerox.
> > In the early 1980, morale at PARC was low, and Jobs was starting a new
> > project at Apple...and wanted a GUI...most of the people at PARC left
> > and hired in on the Macintosh project.
> >
>
> Wrong answer..... GUIs started in the 60s by Doug Englebart who also
> invented the Mouse. Xerox was the first to try to make it into a product
> but at 10K each, they didn't sell.
>
> > So..here's the timeline:
> >
> > PARC's gui circa 1978
> > Macintosh 1983
> > SunWindows 1984
> > Atari GEM 1985
Commodore GEOS 1985
> > Commodore Amiga 1986
> > XWindows protocol 1986
> >
> I'm not going to debate your timeline since I don't remember which was
> first, but I though the Amiga was out in 1985, a very short time after
> Atari. There are quite a few other GUIs out there you didn't mention.
>
They are far toooo numerous to make a complete list.
I was merely giving a list of influential GUI's that were widely
used...most all of which appeared LONG before Billy Trust-fund baby
Gates III discovered them.
> > > not have any empirical proof that you can base it on. For the case of
> > > Microsoft you have people from all over the world who have to focus on
> > > getting their job done(not knowing the intricacies of the OS) and they
> do it
> > > mostly on Microsoft Windows. Why it seems odd that if everything works
> so
> >
> > You have the EXACT same pointy-clicky functionality on Linux and Unix...in
> fact,
> > it has been available on Unix for FAR LONGER...
> >
> True but at a much great cost, until recently. Most users don't like to
> dump all their software and start new again...
If they wouldn't invest so much of their money purchasing software
which stores data in proprietary formats, they wouldn't have that
fucking problem, would they?
Users who complain about the high cost of switching away from Microsoft
have nobody but their own POOR judgement to blame.
And then they foolishly trust that SAME poor judgement which tells
them to continue suffering the thrice-yearly bloodletting from
Microsoft rather than bite the bullet and free themselves from
Redmond's biggest drug pusher once and for all.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:49:30 GMT
I stand by my original post.
"This is a hole that could allow information to be manipulated by
others," Cooper wrote on the NTBugTraq Web site. "However, it's
limited to 'others' who already have Web authoring permissions on the
same box."
...Besides using the phrase, a hacker would need author privileges in
order to gain read-only access to Active Server Pages files, she
said.
The problem that I see is not that the code is in there, but that MS
by default has no security. Unless you know how to lock all the doors
(and that just isnt part of the documentation that ships with the
computer), you have some potential problems. Hence the paranoia in the
second part of the original post by someone about a potential NSA key.
It takes a lot of "atta boys" to make up for one "ahh shit." And in
regards to security, microsoft doesn't have to many attaboys.
On 19 Mar 2001 19:14:13 -0600, "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:03:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad
>> Everett) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>Evidence? You call this evidence? What you wrote is complete bullshit
>and
>> >>does not exist in anything but your fantasy.
>> >>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2550735,00.html
>>
>> MS calls it a pinhole. Some could claim you could fly a Boeing 747
>> through it.
>
>How convienent that you didn't bother to post the follow up report that
>proves my point, it's bullshit.
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2550387,00.html
>
>
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:49:55 -0500
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Shades wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You obviously haven't worked on any HP, Sun, or SGI machines with
> > > > version 1990 or later versions of Unix.
> > > >
> > > > The learning curve for these systems is SHALLOWER than windows.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well then I suppose Sun/HP and SGI are going to be winning the desktop
> > > anyday? Hmm?
> >
> > In the same way that the gasoline engine ripped the guts out of
> > steam-powered automobile manufacturers.
> >
> The reason is gasoline engines are alot better than a steam power auto.
And likewise, Linux is a FAR better desktop OS than anything sold
by Microsoft AND ALSO a far better server OS than anything sold
by Microsoft.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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