Linux-Advocacy Digest #222, Volume #33 Sat, 31 Mar 01 11:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Communism ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Here is the response from Microsoft regarding Linux and Piracy: (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Microsoft has gone insane (Michael Vester)
Re: More "user friendly" behavior from Mafia$oft windows (Michael Vester)
Re: Earn some money with Linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux dying ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Paul Holloway)
Re: Microsoft has gone insane (Chad Everett)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:16:02 +0100
Scott Erb wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Communism is a utopian idea which is completely incompatible with
> > human nature. Hence any attempt to implement it will end in either
> > capitulation or tyranny. Generally the latter, as anyone driven to
> > take power is not likely to give it up.
>
> That's a tad simplistic. Human nature is not necessarily incompatible
> with socialism or communism, but Marxian communism ignored culture and
> politics in its focus on economic determinism. It also, in its
> Leninists variants, saw the state as being able to enforce a complete
> change in society, something that does indeed lead to tyranny. If any
> kind of socialism is ever to be achieved, it will have to be democratic
> and chosen, not enforced. I suspect that is still generations away.
Communism requires that people should NOT be out for any personnal
gain. If everyone always acred in the best interests of 'society' as a
whole, then maybe communism could work. But people don't, and communism
doesn't.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:30:26 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:59:49 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Very important news regarding outlook express:
> >
> >
> >http://www.satirewire.com/news/0103/outlook.shtml
> >
>
> Take it to a newsgroup that gives a flying fuck.
Did you actually *read* the article?
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here is the response from Microsoft regarding Linux and Piracy:
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:29:06 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Charles Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > Joel Barnett wrote:
> > >
> > > "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthew Gardiner"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From Microsoft Anti-Piracy Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date
> > > > > Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:31 pm To Matthew Gardiner
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject Re: Piracy???? (KMM187946C0KM)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We suggest that you contact Linux.
> > > > >
> > > > > Microsoft Corporation
> > > > > Worldwide Sales & Support Group
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > Great response from MS, Matthew. I hope you're attempting to have a
> > > > conversation with your kernel right now.
> > > >
> > > > Let's be charitable: Maybe it was a typo, and the MS support person
> > > > instead meant to write:
> > > >
> > > > We suggest that you contact Linus.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Or, perhaps the MS person realized the stupidity of the question and
> > > intentionally gave a stupid answer.
> > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Adam
> > >
> > > jbarntt
> > Doubtful. I've just been talking to the support people from another
> > major company that makes DSP chips.
> > ME : Hi, I have need information on emulators for your AAABBB DSP chip.
> > SUPPORT : Is that a calculator?
> > ME : No. Its a "Digital Signal Processor" semiconductor chip.
> > SUPPORT : Oh. Have you visited our web site xx.com.
> > ME : I tried, but it doesn't come up.
> > SUPPORT : Well what did you type for the URL?
> > ME : XX.com and it 404ed
> > SUPPORT : What's 404ed?
> > ME : It didn't come up.
> > SUPPORT : That's because its been changed to xx.education.com.
> > ME : Let me try that. (Enters URL in browser)
> > I get a site that talks about programs for primary grade school
> > children.
> > SUPPORT : That is where we have all the information on our calculators.
> > ME : I have a meeting to go to. I'll call back later.
>
> Tell your local sales rep. That's the most effective way to get
> such problems fixed.
>
> When salesmen mention customer complaints...people listen.
>
I would be most happy to talk to the local sales rep. If there was one.
It seems that with the internet, that company has decided there is no
need for local sales reps. Nor is there any need to provide personal
support to multi-million dollar customers. Do a search on their name via
google and you get hits on hundreds of stories about them missing
projections.
> > --
> > Russ Lyttle
> > "World Domination through Penguin Power"
> > The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> > <http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft has gone insane
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:30:01 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Chad Everett wrote:
> >
> > Hey! Just another indication that Microsoft wants to charge
> > you for every bit that goes in or out of your computer,
> > PDA, cell phone, satellite dish, toaster, and on and on.
> >
> > Can you say "HailStorm"?
> >
>
> As I recall, Hailstorms tend to be as damaging as a swarm of locusts.
>
Hailstorms damage windows. Whenever we get a hailstorm, the greatest
damage is to green houses, car windshields and other window like
structures. I wonder if the mighty Microsoft marketing machine has thought
this out very well. Hailstorms and windows do not go together very well
unless you sell glass related products.
> > Don't believe me? Read this:
> >
> > See http://www.internetweek.com/newslead01/lead032901.htm
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More "user friendly" behavior from Mafia$oft windows
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:34:49 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marada C.
> > Shradrakaii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Just to suit their tastes? In general, you have to rearrange cards to
> > > deal with large/awkward connectors. For the large antenna to fit on my
> > > TV card, either it or the sound card or both had to move. Linux,
> > > unsurprisingly, didn't miss a beat. Windows made it an all-afternoon
> > > struggle.
> >
> > I bought a new PCI modem, and it wouldn't fit next to the sound card I had
> > because of a connector sticking out of the sound card. Anyway, I ended up
> > having to swap the modem's position in the backplane with the sound card.
> > Not a big deal, I thought....
> >
> > Under Windoze, I ended up having to reinstall my printer, my joystick, and
> > a whole buncha other stuff that shouldn't have been related just to get
> > Windoze back up and running. It took me two or three hours and a dozen
> > reboots to get my MSFT stuff into a stable state after a simple PCI board
> > swap.
>
> Behold...user friendly.
I did a motherboard swap on a losedos system. I lost count after 22
reboots. Everything was the same except the motherboard. Every driver had
to be re-installed even though they were already there and correctly
configured. A motherboard swap with Linux is an extremely easy process.
>
> >
> > Linux, on the other hand, never even noticed. It just worked. IT JUST
> > FSCKING WORKED!!! I didn't have to do squat on the Linux side. And MSFT
> > apologists claim how easy Windoze is to work with... bullshit.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
<snip>
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Earn some money with Linux
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:43:27 GMT
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:53:15 +0200, Nils Zonneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I understood it, when you use GPL'ed code in your project, your code
> becomes automatically GPL'ed too. Only when you keep your code
> completely separated from GPL'ed code it remains proprietary.
That's the gist of it, yes. If you create a "derived work", that work
is also covered by the GPL. Note that the output of a GPL program is
explcitly defined to _not_ be a "derived work".
> When you compile something with gcc, you make at least use of gcc's
> header files. So you link your code with GPL'ed code by which your
> code becomes GPL'ed. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this.
You are incorrect. There are several parts, not all licensed under the
same terms. There is the compiler itself, the libgcc.a support library
that contains various low-level routines that are not generally visible
to the compiler user, and the libc C library. There are also various
bits and pieces such as compiler test cases, but those aren't usually
relevant.
The C library and correspoinding header files are under LGPL, which
allows use of the code in the way you describe.
The compiler itself is under GPL, which includes language saying that
the "program output" is not under GPL unless it would be so for reasons
independent of having been produced by "the program".
The compiler support routines in libgcc.a are under GPL but contain the
following license language:
/* As a special exception, if you link this library with other files,
some of which are compiled with GCC, to produce an executable,
this library does not by itself cause the resulting executable
to be covered by the GNU General Public License.
This exception does not however invalidate any other reasons why
the executable file might be covered by the GNU General Public License. */
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:45:16 +0200
"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Roy Culley wrote:
> >
> > In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
> > >
> > > I concur with you about the PC sales. Out there now, and you probably
> > > already know this, is the Sun Blade 100. A 64-bit, $950, Sparc IIe
> > > processor. Does everything at this price except MS windows. And for
an
> > > extra $400 one can get a plug-in card if they really need MS windows.
> > > This one is really going to put a crimp in intels' and AMDs new 64-bit
> > > pricings.
> >
> > I haven't got my hands on a Sun Blade 100 yet but I don't think there is
> > anyway it is going to replace PC's on the desktop. There just isn't the
> > support for Sparc Linux as there is for Intel boxes. Just go to rpmfond,
> > ximian, netscape and see what support there is for Sparc. I run redhat
> > on my ultra-5 at work with gnome/sawfish. The only way to get recent
updates
> > is to comile it myself. Have you ever tried compiling sawfish? What
about
> > thingd like gnucash, evolution, etc? Things are even worse if you run
> > Solaris. You have to compile most things yourself and sorting out
dependancies
> > can be a nightmare. I would rather have a PC on my desk at work running
> > Linux than any Sun workstation.
>
> Doesn't Solaris run linux binaries anymore?
Natively, I don't *think* so.
A simple recompile should fix it, however.
Beside, isn't Solaris based on BSD? BSD has a linux compatibality layer, I
would be surpised if Solaris didn't have one.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Holloway)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:53:23 GMT
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:57:29 -0800, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Roger Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> : Lets see... anti-constitutional subversive activity. Like you saying those
>> : who believe in a different economic system should be shot? Now that's real
>> : "constitutional" of you, aaron. You can't have it both ways -
>> : constitutionally and your way. And that is why you are considered ignorant
>> : and a nazi by the adults here.
>>
>> Actually, according to the U.S. Constitution and federal law, Aaron is
>> mostly correct.
>>
>> If you're a U.S. Citizen, but choose to make war against your own
>> country, or give aid and comfort to its very numerous enemies (foreign
>> or domestic), then you're guilty of treason, a capital crime.
>>
>> Also, if you conspire to violate the Constitutionally guaranteed
>> rights of any U.S. Citizen under color of law, you're guilty of a
>> felony, which becomes a capital crime if loss of life results.
>>
>> Regarding the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), membership in it was once
>> held to be illegal for this reason - not because you aren't entitled
>> to hold and express any opinions you wish, but because you are not
>> entitled to conspire to violate the rights of others.
>>
>> But right now the CPUSA, though obnoxious, is among the very least of
>> our problems. Both of the "mainstream" parties are much worse, since
>> they have much more power.
>>
>> Both major parties advocate and practice socialism (in varying
>> degrees), both have *knowingly* caused massive loss of life, liberty
>> and property, which they were supposed to protect, and both have
>> conspired, very successfully, to make this nation an oligarchy
>> masquerading as a democracy, rather than the Republic that by law it
>> must be.
>>
>> Hence, there are a LOT of traitors in our midst. And given the threat
>> that they pose to the life, liberty and property of all people (both
>> inside the U.S. and elsewhere), I think it is not only reasonable, but
>> necessary, that the worst of them be dealt with as the law requires.
>>
>> Aaron is not advocating that we round up everyone - just those who are
>> the most blatantly and obviously guilty. And, so long as these folks
>> get an *exceedingly* fair trial, and as long as their sentences are
>> somewhat commensurate with their crimes, I am in total agreement with
>> him.
>>
>> I don't want more bloodshed. I think there's been too much already
>> (the left's war on unborn children, the right's war on drugs, and
>> other kinds too numerous to list). But it is absolutely necessary
>> that the crimes against peaceful and law-abiding U.S. Citizens, not to
>> mention the nationals of many other countries who have been harmed by
>> actions of our so-called "government," be ended. Hopefully, by the
>> most peaceful means possible.
>>
>> I too took an oath to defend the United States, its lawful government,
>> its Constitution, its citizens, and its valid laws against all threats
>> whether domestic or foreign. So have millions of others. We are
>> greatly outnumbered by the traitors at the moment, but times and
>> political winds do change, and I remain hopeful that someday we will
>> be able to return to a legitimate, federal, Constitutional, republican
>> form of government.
>>
>> Joe
>
>Thank you! Well put!
>
>--
>V
>
Hmmmmm, ya'll are living in a different USA than I am. Maybe I took a
wrong turn somewhere, I just don't see these multitudes of traitors
strolling around everyday.
"May you always have fair winds and following seas..."
Paul Holloway
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft has gone insane
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 31 Mar 2001 10:00:43 -0600
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:30:01 -0700, Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>>
>> Chad Everett wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey! Just another indication that Microsoft wants to charge
>> > you for every bit that goes in or out of your computer,
>> > PDA, cell phone, satellite dish, toaster, and on and on.
>> >
>> > Can you say "HailStorm"?
>> >
>>
>> As I recall, Hailstorms tend to be as damaging as a swarm of locusts.
>>
>
>Hailstorms damage windows. Whenever we get a hailstorm, the greatest
>damage is to green houses, car windshields and other window like
>structures. I wonder if the mighty Microsoft marketing machine has thought
>this out very well. Hailstorms and windows do not go together very well
>unless you sell glass related products.
>
>
Hailstorms destroy windows and windshields that would normally not have
to be replaced, forcing continued upgrades and payments to windows
manufacturers that, if not for hailstorms, would not be needed.
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