Linux-Advocacy Digest #237, Volume #33 Sat, 31 Mar 01 22:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Multitasking (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Formatting a floppy (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: You have to check out The Register ASAP (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger! (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism (Scott Erb)
Re: Communism (Scott Erb)
Re: Linux dying (GreyCloud)
Re: What is user friendly? (William Burrow)
Re: Communism (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Treason (was Re: Communism) (T. Max Devlin)
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:39:37 +1200
Correct! the book written about her was quite enlightening/
Matthew Gardiner
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Karel Jansens
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:26:32 +0000
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >>
> >> One person I would really hate to see in charge of the US is Steve Jobs.
> >> Could you imagine the havoc that would be unlessed! some finds out a
> >> secret, and Steve (who is renound for is "quick to fire" response, esp.
> >> the case of the ATI Randeon debarkle) would nuke the person. Personally,
> >> I would like to see Magarate Thature in charge of the US, balls of
> >> steel, ruling with an iron fist.
> >>
> >Who is/was Margarate Thature?
>
> Most likely Margaret Thatcher, who was in 10 Downing Street in England
> (Great Britain?) back during (part of? all of?)
> Reagan's tenure as US president. :-)
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 54d:20h:39m actually running Linux.
> Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Multitasking
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:42:39 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Windows XP is in beta. The beta requirements are grossly exaggerated
> due to all the debug code which will be compiled out for the release.
>
> Windows 2000 had a beta requirement of 128MB of RAM and 2GB of hard
> disk, even though the release had a requirement of 32-64MB ram
> and 400MB disk space or something similar.
>
> Windows XP is likely to have the exact same or very similar requirements
> as Windows 2000.
Which means you'll get okay performance from a 128 Mb P II 450, but
you'll want 256Mb and dual-pentiums to feel comfortable with the
speed.
I find Office 2000 and Visio 2000 dog slow on the first machine, running
Win2K.
Visio is wayyyyyyyyy overdependent on VBA, and VBA seems to be more
buggy under Win2K than under Win NT.
Chris (the guy reading trade journals while waiting for a Word document
to save -- in the background, ha! -- and Word to respond again.)
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Formatting a floppy
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:44:14 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
>
> Since when has a Penguinista been known NOT to speak
> from their arse?
>
> -c
The face of Chad Myers:
( . . )
( .. )
( * )
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You have to check out The Register ASAP
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:50:03 +1200
LOL. If this was deliberate, you've got to admitt, the Poms sure have a
sense of humour.
Matthew Gardiner
Adam Warner wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/
>
> :-)
>
> Adam
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:53:49 +1200
Geeze you yanks have a real problem with a sense of humour.
Matthew Gardiner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:16:07 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Use a valid email address to make yourselfa accountable for you posting.
> >
>
> If you have more than 5 brains cells at your disposal, you'd be able to figure
> out how to remove the anti-spam crap and e-mail me.
>
> If you'd be kind enough to remove all the assholes off the internet, I've be
> happy to post without an alias. In the meantime, I use an alias to prevent such
> assholes from doing stuff like looking my address up in the phone book and
> ordering, fraudulantly, crap that I have to go out of my way to return.
>
> Get over it and quit being such a jerk.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:54:23 +1200
Geeze you yanks have a real problem with a sense of humour.
Matthew Gardiner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:59:49 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Very important news regarding outlook express:
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.satirewire.com/news/0103/outlook.shtml
> > >
> >
> > Take it to a newsgroup that gives a flying fuck.
>
> Did you actually *read* the article?
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger!
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:50:32 -0800
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > I disagree on the desktop argument. By serving install fests in our
> > local mall, our organization has made it public that there is an
> > alternative to microsofts o/s. Many people aren't aware of Linux
> > because no one has enough money to advertise Linux during prime time
> > TV
>
> Do you read newspapers? Linux got so much free advertisiment that its name
> is clearly recognizable to anyone with a miniscule interest in computers.
Not in the boonies they haven't. Our local newspaper is more concerned
about local happenings let alone whats happening anywhere else.
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From: Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:58:54 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > The German economy in the 30's was certainly not a centrally planned
> > economy, and was one of the world's only booming economies (making
> > people like Charles Lindbergh say America could learn from Nazi
> > Germany). It was an untenable boom, based on an arms build up, but it
> > certainly wasn't anything like Stalinist Russia's policies.
> >
>
> There is a LOT of "central planning" in the economic sector of
> a fascist economy. Look at the economic structure of Japan.
Japan is certainly not fascist. Do you just make this stuff up as you
go?
> Mitsubishi owns thousands upon thousands of subsidiary businesses,
> all for benefit of Mitsubishi. This organization comprises
> about 10% of the Japanese economy.
Yeah, that's capitalism in action for you, big corporations controlling
a lot of economic activity.
> There are fewer than 15
> nearly identical economic power structures in the Japanese
> economy...and they all do the same thing.
Corporations world wide seek to benefit corporations. Capitalism.
> Germany and Italy were the same way.
Capitalist? OK, but their systems of government were fascist. Fascism
can co-exist with capitalism, of course.
> The only difference between the economic "planning" of Communism,
> and the planning in a fascist economy is that under Communism, the
> planning is done by politicians and/or their appointees, who write
> a law, and issue it to the factory owners.
>
> In fascism, the factory owners (i.e. the bigwigs at the top of
> each of these industrial pyramids) tend to get together, and
> then compose a law to give to the politicians, who rubber stamp
> it (out of fear of falling out of favor with the factory owners).
That's capitalism, or monopoly capitalism, and that is indeed a danger,
but it is a misuse of terms to mix that up with fascism (something a lot
of people on the Left do frequently).
> Absolutely. Do some research, and you will see.
I've done research, I teach courses on comparative politics.
Perhaps you need to define fascism more clearly, and explain what you
mean, your assertions are all very murky at this point.
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From: Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:54:43 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Scott Erb wrote:
> >
> > > This is why Democracy is *ILLEGAL* at the Federal and State level.
> >
> > What on earth do you mean?
>
> You didn't pay attention in your civics class, did you?
> Either that, or your teacher was some leftist tool.
Your response is argumentum ad hominem, and thus a fallacy. Anyway,
I've got a Ph.D. in Political Science, so I obviously have studied quite
a bit about political systems.
> > You do know, don't know, that a Republic can be democratic?
>
> That's a contradiction in terms.
>
> DEMO-CRACY literally equals "government by the people"
As I explained, a Democratic Republic is NOT a pure democracy where
majority rules, but a democratic system that is limited by certain
rules, in our case, a constitution.
> If you look at the Constitution, it is quite clear that "the people"
> are specifically PROHIBITED from governing the nation....that is
> left to the Senate and the House of Representatives....that is,
> a REPUBLIC (governance by representatives)
That is called representative democracy. People choose their
representatives, and can hold them accountable at election time. The
most pure system of representative democracy is the British system,
which is a parliamentary unitary system (not a Presidential federal
system).
-snip-
> > sets certain rules and procedures within which the democratic aspects of
> > the system function. The term "Liberal Democracy" (used to describe the
> > US and many European states) means a Democratic Republic limited by
>
> The us is NOT a democracy of any type. Whoever told you that the US is
> a "Liberal Democracy" is either ignorant of what the term means, or
> filling your head with propaganda. Likewise for Europe. In fact,
Alas, you're the one totally out of step with all theory and scholarship
on this issue, as well the history of the US.
> I know of *NO* nation on the face of the earth which is a democracy.
If you look at any text (I'd recommend Hauss' Comparative Politics, or
Juerg Steiner's "European Democracies"), you'd see that all what are
called "democracies" today are Republics of some sort, save perhaps
Great Britain whose link to the Monarchy gives it a different kind of
rationale (though it still functions practically as a democracy, albeit
not limited by a written constitution but agreements between Parliament
and the Crown, and precident).
No government is a "pure democracy" of majority rule with no limits.
That is obvious.
> > liberal principles (a right to life, liberty, and property, with a focus
> > on individual freedoms, harkening back to philosophers like Locke, it is
> > distrustful of a strong central government).
>
> None of which has to do with Democracy.
>
> Respect for human rights is not democracy. In fact, Democracy is
> particularly DANGEROUS to human rights. Ever hear of the term
> "the Tyranny of the Majority" If "the majority" of easily confused
> and swayed citizens can be rallied to violate your human rights, then
> exactly how does a democracy connote human rights.
All that is why we have Democratic Republics. That is what the general
term "democracy" means in current usage. If you're attacking crude pure
democracy you're just attacking a straw man, your argument has no
relevance to issues at hand today.
> Fortunately, the final protector of the human rights affirmed in the
> Constitution is the 2nd Amendment (Unconditional right to keep and
> bear arms) which gives teeth to all of the others.
Of course, a fat lot of good that will do you if you try to claim the US
government is illegitimate and try to ignore it. The government can
outescalate you every step of the way.
cheers, scott
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:56:15 -0800
Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> Roy Culley wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
> > >
> > > I concur with you about the PC sales. Out there now, and you probably
> > > already know this, is the Sun Blade 100. A 64-bit, $950, Sparc IIe
> > > processor. Does everything at this price except MS windows. And for an
> > > extra $400 one can get a plug-in card if they really need MS windows.
> > > This one is really going to put a crimp in intels' and AMDs new 64-bit
> > > pricings.
> >
> > I haven't got my hands on a Sun Blade 100 yet but I don't think there is
> > anyway it is going to replace PC's on the desktop. There just isn't the
> > support for Sparc Linux as there is for Intel boxes. Just go to rpmfond,
> > ximian, netscape and see what support there is for Sparc. I run redhat
> > on my ultra-5 at work with gnome/sawfish. The only way to get recent updates
> > is to comile it myself. Have you ever tried compiling sawfish? What about
> > thingd like gnucash, evolution, etc? Things are even worse if you run
> > Solaris. You have to compile most things yourself and sorting out dependancies
> > can be a nightmare. I would rather have a PC on my desk at work running
> > Linux than any Sun workstation.
>
> Doesn't Solaris run linux binaries anymore?
>
Yes, through Lxrun.
> --
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
> ==============================================================
> "You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
> ==============================================================
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:02:33 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:34:03 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It's not that hard. Think something along the lines of
>
> MOVE A TO B.
> SUBTRACT B FROM A.
> ADD A TO B GIVING C.
Also can use: COMPUTE C = A + B
> CALL DoSomethingAwfullyInteresting USING 1, 2, AMOUNT-DUE.
> EXIT PROGRAM.
>
>and you've gotten most of it. :-) Its main strength is that
Perhaps one of the more popular statements is something like:
PERFORM SomeLoop VARYING X BY 1 UNTIL SomeLevel88Flag
>for example. It also handles structures and arrays; I forget
>how they're specifically declared, though. Note that the MOVE
Perhaps with the OCCURS clause?
>statement takes into account the PIC declarations of its source
>and destination, and does the right thing.
One powerful aspect of COBOL is its table stucture.
01 SUPPLIER-TABLE.
05 SUPPLIER OCCURS 10 TIMES
ASCENDING KEY IS SUP-NAME
INDEXED BY SUPPLIER-INDEX.
10 SUP-NAME PIC X(20)
10 SUP-ADDR PIC X(40).
etc.
>(Disclaimer: I haven't written COBOL in years and years, since
>about 1989, so take the above with a grain of salt. There were also
>at least two strains of COBOL in the wild at the time -- IBM and
>DEC, each with their own quirks. I'm still hoping for a freeware
>COBOL compiler for Linux at some point, but it's a bit like hoping
>for a copy of Internet Explorer for Linux -- rather pointless to
>most of us. :-) )
There was work on a free COBOL compiler, I don't know if it has stopped
or not. Last I saw couldn't compile much, certainly not any standard
IBM or DEC code (the IDENTIFICATION section wasn't complete).
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
Y1.99K compliant message. ~ ()>()
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:18:19 -0800
Roger Perkins wrote:
>
> Ahh, now I haven't ever heard that before! Spoken like a true leg.
>
> Roger
> AIRBORNE!
>
The drill instructor really loved to joke and intimidate. The whole
purpose of basic training then was to make sure you could take it. I'd
feel sorry for any current soldiers that would ever get into a major
ground war and not be toughened up. I hear that its bad enough to get
captured but worse staying in that situation. If they aren't toughened
up how are they going to survive or even escape??
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Roger Perkins wrote:
> > > >
> > > > aaron, aaron, aaron, your ass must be frostbitten hanging out the way
> it
> > > > does. How does someone as stupid as you survive in the modern world.
> Now,
> > > > I know that's now where you mind is, but still! You don't know
> history, you
> > > > don't know politics, you certainly don't know the military but you
> insist on
> > > > shooting your mouth off.
> > >
> > > False premise,
> > >
> > > Ah yes, Roger's favorite method of debate..
> > >
> > > Proof by ... assertion.
> > >
> > > Check out the local university and see if the philosophy department has
> > > a course on logic and epistomology.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Roger
> > > > AIRBORNE!
> > >
> > > What happened....cutoff the oxygen to your brain for too long from
> > > getting your head caught in the shroud lines....
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > While in Basic training in the Army, the drill instructor said if you
> > want to be an AirBorne Ranger that's up to you... then said "But two
> > things fall out of the sky: Bird shit and Fools!"
> >
> >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Ian Davey wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >He's gonna use nukes against an invasion force on his own
> beaches,
> > > > > > >so that the fallout can blow all over the island, making the
> entire
> > > > > > >place uninhabitable....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're obviously misunderstanding how Nuclear weapons are used for
> > > > defence.
> > > > > > See the Cold War for instance. It's a case of "hit me and I'll
> launch my
> > > > > > Nuclear arsenals at your cities". I can't believe you thought he
> meant
> > > > the
> > > > > > above... not even Castro would have been that stupid.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Yeah...right...you're a loony you are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Remember...several MILLION Americans took an oath to defend the
> > > > Constitution
> > > > > > >from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >So...when we line you up against the wall....don't forget
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I TOLD YOU SO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What, is America a dictatorship now. When did that happen? Or are
> do you
> > > > > > see the US turning into a dictatorship in the future?
> Interesting...
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No...but the penalty for treason still includes death by firing
> squad.
> > > > > And if it's wartime, drawing-and-quartering is ALSO a valid penalty.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ian.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > \ /
> > > > > > (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> > > > > > /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/
> (art)
> > > > > > | |
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > The wise man is mocked by fools.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> > > K: Truth in advertising:
> > > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> > > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> > > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> > >
> > > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> > >
> > > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> > >
> > > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > > you are lazy, stupid people"
> > >
> > > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> > >
> > > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> > >
> > > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > > her behavior improves.
> > >
> > > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > > ...despite (C) above.
> > >
> > > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> > >
> > > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > > direction that she doesn't like.
> > >
> > > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> > --
> > V
--
V
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:21:18 GMT
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 31 Mar 2001
[...]
>Fascists kill the poor first.
>Communists kill the rich first.
Meanwhile, Aaron concentrates on anyone who disagrees with him, rich or
poor.
>In fascism, industry "owns" the government.
>In Communism, the government "owns" industry.
Amazingly clueless.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:21:19 GMT
Said JS PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:35:49 -0500;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Shocker. Let me ask you something: how much can an author ethically
>> charge for something that costs him nothing, and has no functional
>> value?
>
>The author can ethically charge whatever he wants, it's the beauty of living
>in a free society. I realize you wish producers of intellectual property
>were slaves of the state and must give away their creativity to anyone who
>wants it or sell it at a rate which you can best afford but the world
>doesn't work like that anymore. Maybe a hundred years ago perhaps, but it's
>a whole new world today.
> If I write a song and want a trillion dollars for it, it's my right.
>Communism is dead Marx.
You appear to believe that ethics don't exist. Is it true that this
makes you unethical? I believe so.
I didn't ask how much he can legally charge, or how much consumers may
wish to spend, or whether there were any government regulations
preventing them from charging more. I asked, quite specifically (and
received two attempts to avoid answering, with nobody willing to admit
they understand the term "ethical") how much an author can ethically
charge for something that costs him nothing, and has no functional
value? To answer "anything he wants" (or "$1 or 1 Million dollars", the
alternate response) is to suggest there is no such thing as ethics,
since they do not physically bind a person's actions.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:21:21 GMT
Said Michael Allen in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:47:49
>"JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> > Shocker. Let me ask you something: how much can an author ethically
>> > charge for something that costs him nothing, and has no functional
>> > value?
>>
>> The author can ethically charge whatever he wants, it's the beauty of living
>> in a free society. I realize you wish producers of intellectual property
>> were slaves of the state and must give away their creativity to anyone who
>> wants it or sell it at a rate which you can best afford but the world
>> doesn't work like that anymore. Maybe a hundred years ago perhaps, but it's
>> a whole new world today.
>> If I write a song and want a trillion dollars for it, it's my right.
>> Communism is dead Marx.
>>
>>
>That is perfect!!! T. Marx Devlin. Now it all makes sense. The problem
>with most Communists is they aren't willing to admit what they are.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! "Communist"! Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! You're as silly as
Aaron Kulkis.
>You can
>honestly debate the economic theories of communism vs socialism vs
>capitalism, nothing wrong with that.
No, I'm afraid there is. Communism is not an economic system, and so it
is not possible to honestly debate communism vs economic systems.
> But what I find so cowardly are
>communists or socialists who parade as capitalists because they don't have
>the spine to admit what they truly believe in.
I think its ironic that everyone assumes they know the answer to the
question, and presumes they know what I think the answer is (and that it
differs from theirs), but still, nobody seems able to answer the
question!
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:21:22 GMT
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 31 Mar 2001
>Scott Erb wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> > Let's suppose for a moment, Roger, that you are not, in fact, a
>> > fully indoctrinated Communist.
>> >
>> > If that is so...then I'm sure that you can specifically name a few
>> > of the ways in which you fundamentally disagree with Communist philosophy.
>> >
>> > Accuracy counts, so be precise
>
>Actually, the question was posed to Roger Perkins, not you.
>
>> That sounds like the McCarthy era hearings, putting the burden of proof
>> on someone to prove that somehow they are not something. You are the
>> one who needs to be precise: what do you consider the "philosophy of
>> communism" to be?
>
>Let's use Marx and Engels' writings for starters.
I don't see why you should, as they're both dead and so have little
influence on the definition of communism. But if you think you can
handle, fine.
Please be specific, Aaron: define the philosophy of communism, according
to Marx and Engels.
[Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! Like that's going to happen!]
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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