Linux-Advocacy Digest #286, Volume #33            Mon, 2 Apr 01 15:13:06 EDT

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  Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
  Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Dana")

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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:25:58 GMT

It really was a very nice try, Beth.  Very nice.  Thanks for posting.

Don't get discouraged by Aaron here; he is indefatigable to a fault.
Not everyone who evidences the knee-jerk reactions that he does is
equally as clueless.


Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 02 Apr 2001 
>Beth wrote:
>> 
>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> > Beth wrote:
>> > >
>> > > People, people...give up the "party line" BS and face facts:
>> > >
>> > > ALL political systems are crap.
>> > >
>> > > Communism is crap.
>> > > Capitalism is crap.
>> > >
>> > > To badly paraphrase Churchill, "Democracy is crap but it's the best
>> we've
>> > > thought up so far"...
>> > >
>> > > I mean, if you want to get your kicks from needlessly arguing back and
>> forth
>> > > about "lefties" and "facists" then feel free but you'll get nowhere
>> > > fast...what you think all the political thinkers since the dawn of time
>> have
>> > > been doing? This argument: "selfishness" vs. "altruism", me vs. you,
>> > > blah-blah-blah...is the oldest thing mankind has fought over...
>> > >
>> > > It's interesting that someone pointed out the very close parallels
>> between
>> > > Hitler (far, far right) and Stalin (far left)...don't you get it? Both
>> ideas
>> > > at their extremes are more or less identical...they are BOTH CRAP...
>> >
>> > Yes, SOCIALISM in all it's forms is craps.
>> 
>> I bet you think you're oh-so-clever for twisting my words around...you know
>> what I meant...ALL of them are ALL crap...
>> 
>> Guess what? Nope...you are now looking dumb...just ask around if you don't
>> believe me on that score ;)
>> 
>> > How such observations indight the US Constitution, which is specifically
>> > ANTI-socialist, is beyond me.
>> 
>> Anti-socialist? Really? They've made a whole load of amendments and
>> revisions to it recently then, have they?
>
>No.  We merely have a whole lot of unconstitutional programs brought
>into being by treasonous politicians.
>
>Stealing from those who work for the benefits of the parasites is
>unconstitutional, no matter how popular it is.
>
>
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong...I _greatly_ admire the US constitution...I'm not an
>> American but I always advocate freedom of speech, the right to silence and
>> lots of the ideals of the US constitution but I urge you to not be so
>> flag-waving ("Patriotism is the love of one's country NOT ever the hatred of
>> another" :) and look at it with a little cynical eye...if it is as good as
>> you say, then even outright cynicism and pessimism won't tarnish it...you
>> can't do any harm that way...BUT if you just swallow everything they
>> spoonfeed you without thinking then guess what? You're NO better than living
>> under a dictatorship...IT IS CRUCIAL THAT YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF...the
>> freedom of speech implies the freedom of thought...THAT is what MUST be
>> defended and preserved...
>> 
>> "Don't believe the hype" ;)
>> 
>> > > Also, note that captialistic countries were/aren't/won't be purely
>> > > capitalistic and communistic countries were/aren't/won't be purely
>> > > communistic...they are ideals that cannot be physically reached...and,
>> if
>> > > they were, then BOTH would collapse...
>> > >
>> > > For instance, in a pure capitalistic environment, then an individual
>> would
>> > > be striving for monopoly...it's the ideal state that a capitalist can
>> aim
>> > > for...BUT, as every capitalistic country knows, you CAN'T allow monopoly
>> > > because, ironically, it's a communist dictatorship you're aiming for in
>> the
>> > > ideal...
>> > >
>> > > Let me just re-iterate: THEY ARE *ALL* CRAP...
>> >
>> > Liberty is *never* crap.
>> 
>> Agreed; But Capitalism != Liberty...it is a stride towards that but it does
>> NOT guarantee it...in fact, a true communist (not those pretenders to that
>> title that you'd find in the former USSR...they only adopted some of
>> communism that suited them...in fact, a bit like how US (and UK, where I'm
>> from) only adopt the parts of capitalism that suit them...does the notion of
>> welfare ring any bells? Totally a socialist idea and employed by even the
>> mighty US :) would argue that their ideal better preserves liberty
>
>Socialism relies on theft from the productive (i.e. slavery) for the
>benefit of the parasites.  Thus, Socialism cannot be liberty, at least
>not for the workers.
>
>
>> 
>> Again, I re-iterate...I'm not arguing for or against here...I think they're
>> all crap...what I'm trying to explain to you is that the true enemy is
>> yourself...heck, if John Doe down the road wants to share out all his money
>> with everyone, who cares? It doesn't effect you unless he tries to share out
>> your money, yes? Well, just don't let him do that...
>
>No.  The enemy is politicians who cater to parasites.
>
>
>> 
>> BUT if you start attacking him just because you don't agree with his ideas,
>> then you can give up on your holy principles, Aaron...because it'll turn
>> into anarchistic war, if you push it...remember, the "default" political
>> system is anarchy...if you go off fighting other people and do not tend to
>> your own beliefs then when you come home to them, you'll come home to
>> anarchy...
>
>I attack those who promote unconstitutional laws.
>
>
>> 
>> Btw, I'm impressed with your "I'm a great mind and people mock me" act when
>> you, in fact, spout rhetoric and do NOT accept debate or discussion...ANSWER
>> ME...stop the posing...and ANSWER _ME_ and what I say in this
>> post...twisting my words is an impressive display of literary skill but it
>> does NOT further your points NOR does it refute mine...
>> 
>> In your bizarre signature, you insult another for deflecting the argument
>> away because they won't address your points directly...well, guess what? You
>> are no better UNLESS you actually answer my post point for point and discuss
>> it intelligently...Note: intelligent discussion does NOT mean employing
>> intelligent deflections or intelligent witicisms...it means addressing
>> another with relevent points and examples...
>
>Certain people, through the daily creation and posting of lies about me,
>have earned their place in my .sig, as a reminder to everyone else, that
>those people are, in fact, liars.
>
>
>> 
>> The problem with your "the wise man is mocked by fools" thing (ignoring that
>> such out and out blind arrogance will not endear you to anyone ;) is what
>> happens when you meet as much (or more) of a "heretic" than yourself...well,
>> here I am...I'm the original heretic...your attempt to get pity for being
>> "so misunderstood" (sob, sob) won't wash with someone who's also regularly
>> mocked for her opinions...
>> 
>> A wise man is merciful because he is able to be kind where others can't
>> be...a wise man always listens because he knows there are things he has yet
>> to understand...wise != intelligent XOR knowledgable :)
>
>Being merciful with those who are trying to destroy you is tomfoolery.
>
>hope that hlelps
>
>
>> 
>> Beth :)


-- 
T. Max Devlin
  *** The best way to convince another is
          to state your case moderately and
             accurately.   - Benjamin Franklin ***

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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:26:47 GMT

Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 02 Apr 2001 
>Mathew wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Beth wrote:
>> 
>> > People, people...give up the "party line" BS and face facts:
>> >
>> > ALL political systems are crap.
>> >
>> > Communism is crap.
>> > Capitalism is crap.
>> >
>> > To badly paraphrase Churchill, "Democracy is crap but it's the best we've
>> > thought up so far"...
>> >
>> > I mean, if you want to get your kicks from needlessly arguing back and forth
>> > about "lefties" and "facists" then feel free but you'll get nowhere
>> > fast...what you think all the political thinkers since the dawn of time have
>> > been doing? This argument: "selfishness" vs. "altruism", me vs. you,
>> > blah-blah-blah...is the oldest thing mankind has fought over...
>> >
>> > It's interesting that someone pointed out the very close parallels between
>> > Hitler (far, far right) and Stalin (far left)...don't you get it? Both ideas
>> > at their extremes are more or less identical...they are BOTH CRAP...
>> >
>> > Also, note that captialistic countries were/aren't/won't be purely
>> > capitalistic and communistic countries were/aren't/won't be purely
>> > communistic...they are ideals that cannot be physically reached...and, if
>> > they were, then BOTH would collapse...
>> >
>> > For instance, in a pure capitalistic environment, then an individual would
>> > be striving for monopoly...it's the ideal state that a capitalist can aim
>> > for...BUT, as every capitalistic country knows, you CAN'T allow monopoly
>> > because, ironically, it's a communist dictatorship you're aiming for in the
>> > ideal...
>> >
>> > Let me just re-iterate: THEY ARE *ALL* CRAP...
>> 
>> Man I feel like taking a crap right now! :)
>> Excellent analysis,Beth.
>
>You'll endorse ANYTHING which allows you to not face up to the fact
>that you are a totalitarian statist.

Guffaw.  Thanks, Aaron; you've made it clear that Mathew is far more
rational than you are.

-- 
T. Max Devlin
  *** The best way to convince another is
          to state your case moderately and
             accurately.   - Benjamin Franklin ***

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From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:31:27 -0800

silverback <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Scott Erb wrote:
> >>
> >> I couldn't believe the sudden torrent of fascist like threats and
> >                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >Spot the character assassination.
> >
> >
> >First of all, Fascism is a form of socialism.  By now, it should be
>
> wrong clyde. Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Fascism has
> always been a top down revolution to protect the interest of the rich
> corporate owners. The fact that the fascist supporters are from the
> top tier of society is enough to dispense with yer silly nonsense.

They are just about one and the same. Socialism usually leads into fascism,
look at Germany around 1930's to 1945.
>
> >very very very clear that I am utterly opposed to all forms of socialism,
> >as that is merely a trendy word for government-mandated slavery.
> >
> >
> >
> >> bravado.  Apparently the guy does not like being shown that he is wrong
> >> in his world view -- a view which seems based on his own whims, never
> >
> >No...what I don't like are closet-wannabe-dictators like you, who piss
> >on the Constitution, promote worker-enslaving taxation schemes, and then
> >want to parade around as if you are some sort of liberator.
> >
>
> sorry fools liberals support progressive taxation.

Which is socialism
>
> >
> >
> >> supported or substantiated in any way.  He did prove to me in this post
> >> that he isn't worth being taken seriously.  It takes all kinds, I
> >> guess.
> >
> >Fortunately, the vast majority of those who keep and issue the automatic
> >weapons in this country agree with me.
> >
> >heheheheheh
>
> and we'll be coming for that illegal gun.

It is not illegal
>
> >
> >Have fun when you get your gun-control laws passed, and discover that
> >the people sent out to your house to search for them....all think like
me.
> >
> >Talk about poetic fucking justice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Mathew wrote:
> >> >
> >> > For a person who constantly calls people"little dictators"
> >> > and "fascists" , Aaron certainky takes the cake for personifying
> >> > his own words.
> >> >
> >> > A product of fascist military indoctrination ,no doubt.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Scott Erb wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Scott Erb wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > This is why Democracy is *ILLEGAL* at the Federal and State
level.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > What on earth do you mean?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > You didn't pay attention in your civics class, did you?
> >> > > > > Either that, or your teacher was some leftist tool.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Your response is argumentum ad hominem, and thus a fallacy.
Anyway,
> >> > > > I've got a Ph.D. in Political Science, so I obviously have
studied quite
> >> > > > a bit about political systems.
> >> > >
> >> > > That must be why you are so full of propaganda, and yet miss
> >> > > things that are completely fucking obvious to 4-year olds,
> >> > > such as your ridiculous assertion that races don't exist.
> >> > >
> >> > > To be a fully brainwashed liberal parasite, a PhD is an absolute
> >> > > necessity...and something as utterly WORTHLESS and non-testable
> >> > > as Political Science is a bonus for establishing your credentials
> >> > > as a true-believer.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tell us...if you studied Political SCIENCE...tell us of all
> >> > > the repeatable, verifiable experiments which you perform?
> >> > >
> >> > > After all, that *IS* a necessary pre-requisite for something
> >> > > to be a science.
> >> > >
> >> > > No....no...you didn't study Political *Science*...not at all.
> >> > >
> >> > > You studied Political PROPAGANDA METHODOLOGY.
> >> > >
> >> > > Fortunately, you are easily defeated by anybody who is half-way
> >> > > observant of history and the world around him.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > You do know, don't know, that a Republic can be democratic?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > That's a contradiction in terms.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > DEMO-CRACY literally equals "government by the people"
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As I explained, a Democratic Republic is NOT a pure democracy
where
> >> > > > majority rules, but a democratic system that is limited by
certain
> >> > > > rules, in our case, a constitution.
> >> > >
> >> > > FUCK YOU and your LYING PROPAGANDA SPEWING ASS.
> >> > >
> >> > > There is no "democratic" about it.  We are a Republic.  More
> >> > > specifically, we are a CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED REPUBLIC.
> >> > >
> >> > > NOWHERE in *ANY* government laws and sort of democratic *anything*
> >> > > allowed at the State or Federal level.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you want to run a town, or even a county, as a democracy, you
> >> > > are fully within your rights to do so.
> >> > >
> >> > > But the US Constitution, the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, specificies
> >> > > in UNMISTAKABLE language the the United States is a Republic.
> >> > >
> >> > > Not a "democratic republic"....just a Republic.
> >> > >
> >> > > Popular election of Representatives and Senators does *NOT*
> >> > > a democracy make, nor a Democratic Republic make,  so you and
> >> > > your PROPAGANDA NOISE about the US being a "democratic Republic"
> >> > > can go take a flying fucking leap off a cliff.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > If you look at the Constitution, it is quite clear that "the
people"
> >> > > > > are specifically PROHIBITED from governing the nation....that
is
> >> > > > > left to the Senate and the House of Representatives....that is,
> >> > > > > a REPUBLIC (governance by representatives)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > That is called representative democracy.
> >> > >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Wrong.  The United Kingdom is a Representative Democracy.
> >> > > However, *WE* do not have a parliamentary system, therefore,
> >> > > we are not a Representative Democracy
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > By the way, it's best not to contradict yourself within a
> >> > > mere one paragraph of your previous statement.
> >> > >
> >> > > To wit, you previously said that the United States is a "democratic
> >> > > republic", and *NOW* you said that it is a "representative
> >> > > democracy".
> >> > >
> >> > > Well, which is it?  A Democracy by Representation, or a
> >> > > Republic by Democracy?
> >> > >
> >> > > It can't be BOTH ways.
> >> > >
> >> > > Therefore, I have now demonstrated, by your own definitions,
> >> > > that you lied at least once.
> >> > >
> >> > > Of course...the real truth is that you lied twice.  Every time
> >> > > you try to weasel in the word "democracy" to describe our system
> >> > > of government, your are LYING.
> >> > >
> >> > > Remember, Asshole, several MILLION American took an oath to defend
> >> > > the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES against *ALL* enemies, both
> >> > > foreign and domestic.
> >> > >
> >> > > People like you, claiming to have a PhD in Political Science, who
> >> > > then go around telling lies like such as above, qualify, in no
> >> > > uncertain terms, as ENEMIES OF THE CONSTITUTION.
> >> > >
> >> > > Make no doubt about it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Some day...when they you're lined up against the wall, and you
> >> > > feel the hot, searing pain of bullets ripping through your body,
> >> > > literally turning the very cells around the entry wound into
> >> > > a worthless pool of slime in the wound cavity....just remember,
> >> > > that I warned you.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Oh..and if you think that you should call the government to
> >> > > come get me...guess what, asshole....I *AM* the government.
> >> > >
> >> > > Not only that, but *YOUR* *TAX* *DOLLARS* go to express purpose
> >> > > of training MILLIONS of people just like me, to kill
closet-dictator
> >> > > assholes just like you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Just remember that the next time you advocate the idea that
> >> > > individual rights are unnecessary because you can trust the
> >> > > government to do the right thing.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >                                        People choose their
> >> > > > representatives, and can hold them accountable at election time.
The
> >> > > > most pure system of representative democracy is the British
system,
> >> > > > which is a parliamentary unitary system (not a Presidential
federal
> >> > > > system).
> >> > >
> >> > > The United States is NOT a parliamentary system.  Therefore,
> >> > > the premise of your argument is false...which makes the rest
> >> > > of your argument null and void.
> >> > >
> >> > > For a PhD in Political Science, how come you're getting your ass
> >> > > REAMED by an engineer who never even fulfilled the necessary
> >> > > humanities requirements for a degree?
> >> > >
> >> > > If I were you, I'd go back to whatever community college you got
> >> > > your PhD from and demand a fucking refund, because, whatever they
> >> > > taught you in class, it's quite obvious that you didn't learn jack
> >> > > shit about the real world (other than how to lie).
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -snip-
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > sets certain rules and procedures within which the democratic
aspects of
> >> > > > > > the system function.  The term "Liberal Democracy" (used to
describe the
> >> > > > > > US and many European states) means a Democratic Republic
limited by
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The us is NOT a democracy of any type.  Whoever told you that
the US is
> >> > > > > a "Liberal Democracy" is either ignorant of what the term
means, or
> >> > > > > filling your head with propaganda.  Likewise for Europe.  In
fact,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Alas, you're the one totally out of step with all theory and
scholarship
> >> > > > on this issue, as well the history of the US.
> >> > >
> >> > > Said "Scholarship" being the work of your fellow leftist
closet-dictators.
> >> > >
> >> > > Oh no, you, and they, *certainly* don't have an axe to
grind...other
> >> > > than the fact that you got picked on in high school, and now you're
> >> > > looking for revenge...and the best way YOU can think of is to set
> >> > > up a form of government where you can micromanage their lives.
> >> > >
> >> > > Well, fortunately, because leftist assholes like you refuse to
serve in
> >> > > the military...guess what....All the people who actually HAVE THE
GUNS...
> >> > > ..you know..the MILITARY GRADE GUNS....the ones with the KEYS TO
> >> > > THE ARMS ROOMS IN THE ARMORIES...and the KEYS TO THE AMMUNITION
> >> > > STORAGE POINTS....guess what...***ALL*** of those people are the
very
> >> > > same people who's political views you despise.
> >> > >
> >> > > The police, the army, the FBI, the CIA...leftist assholes like you
> >> > > all shirk your responsibilities as a citizen, to do your part to
> >> > > serve in these organizations...don't you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Therefore...here's a fucking thought that should help you sleep
> >> > > soundly...
> >> > >
> >> > > Those people who's political views you abhor:
> >> > >
> >> > > THEY're the ones who patrol your streets
> >> > > THEY're the ones who have the civil disturbance training.
> >> > > THEY're the ones who run the military
> >> > > THEY're the ones who fly the air force's combat aircraft
> >> > > THEY're the ones who crew the tanks
> >> > > THEY're the ones who man the cannons
> >> > > THEY're the ones who carry the rifles, machine guns, grenade
> >> > >       launchers, and all of the other parafarnelia of
> >> > >       the infantryman
> >> > >
> >> > > so DON'T FUCK WITH THEM, because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO STAND
> >> > > GUARD WHILE YOU SLEEP!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I know of *NO* nation on the face of the earth which is a
democracy.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you look at any text (I'd recommend Hauss' Comparative
Politics, or
> >> > > > Juerg Steiner's "European Democracies"), you'd see that all what
are
> >> > > > called "democracies" today are Republics of some sort, save
perhaps
> >> > > > Great Britain whose link to the Monarchy gives it a different
kind of
> >> > > > rationale (though it still functions practically as a democracy,
albeit
> >> > > > not limited by a written constitution but agreements between
Parliament
> >> > > > and the Crown, and precident).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > No government is a "pure democracy" of majority rule with no
limits.
> >> > >
> >> > > Really?  Are you absolutely sure?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > That is obvious.
> >> > >
> >> > > No, it is not obvious at all.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > liberal principles (a right to life, liberty, and property,
with a focus
> >> > > > > > on individual freedoms, harkening back to philosophers like
Locke, it is
> >> > > > > > distrustful of a strong central government).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > None of which has to do with Democracy.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Respect for human rights is not democracy.  In fact, Democracy
is
> >> > > > > particularly DANGEROUS to human rights.  Ever hear of the term
> >> > > > > "the Tyranny of the Majority"  If "the majority" of easily
confused
> >> > > > > and swayed citizens can be rallied to violate your human
rights, then
> >> > > > > exactly how does a democracy connote human rights.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > All that is why we have Democratic Republics.  That is what the
general
> >> > > > term "democracy" means in current usage.  If you're attacking
crude pure
> >> > > > democracy you're just attacking a straw man, your argument has no
> >> > > > relevance to issues at hand today.
> >> > >
> >> > > You insist on insertin the word Democracy without showing me ANY
> >> > > citations that give you a basis for such a claim.
> >> > >
> >> > > The United States constitution specifically spells out the word
> >> > > REPUBLIC.  The word "Democracy" isn't even mentioned.  In fact,
> >> > > up until the 1930's, the U.S. Army Basic Training handbook, which
> >> > > is given to each soldier, specifically stated that not only is
> >> > > the United Staes ***NOT*** a democracy, but also (truthfully,
> >> > > I might note), that democracy is the greatest threat to the
> >> > > protection of human rights.
> >> > >
> >> > > Democracy is the last step before dictatorship.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ask the Russians.
> >> > > Ask the Germans.
> >> > >
> >> > > They know.
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Fortunately, the final protector of the human rights affirmed
in the
> >> > > > > Constitution is the 2nd Amendment (Unconditional right to keep
and
> >> > > > > bear arms) which gives teeth to all of the others.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Of course, a fat lot of good that will do you if you try to claim
the US
> >> > > > government is illegitimate and try to ignore it.  The government
can
> >> > > > outescalate you every step of the way.
> >> > > > cheers, scott
> >> > >
> >> > > Clue for the clueless...I ***AM*** the government, you asshole.
> >> > >
> >> > > Specifically, I am part of the very force that you saw will be
> >> > > "sent to get me"....in fact....I would say that 90% or more of
> >> > > the infantrymen,...the guys who you think will be "sent out to
> >> > > get me"....believe the same things as what I stated above.
> >> > >
> >> > > Putting PhD behind your name doesnt change the fact that we all
> >> > > know that you're lying out your ass....
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> >> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >K: Truth in advertising:
> > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> >
> >
> >J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> >   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> >   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> >I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> >   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> >   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> >   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> >H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> >    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> >    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> >    you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> >G:  Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
> >
> >F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> >   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> >E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> >   her behavior improves.
> >
> >D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> >   ...despite (C) above.
> >
> >C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> >B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> >   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> >   direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> >A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> ***********************************************
>
> GDY Weasel
> emailers remove the spam buster
>
> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>
> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>
> *********************************************



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