Linux-Advocacy Digest #455, Volume #33 Sun, 8 Apr 01 21:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: DVD on Linux? (Black Dragon)
Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... (Goldhammer)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Robert
Sturgeon)
Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... ("Chris Z. Wintrowski")
Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... (Goldhammer)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (robert@-)
Re: XP = eXPerimental (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Xerox bans XP = eXPerimental beta (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: t. max devlin: kook (mlw)
Re: Baseball (".")
Re: XP = eXPerimental (Goldhammer)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: t. max devlin: kook ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Becker)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Robert
Sturgeon)
Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman (Jeffrey Siegal)
Re: DVD on Linux? (Nigel Feltham)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Subject: Re: DVD on Linux?
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:57:39 GMT
On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:58:08 -0000 in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Andy Walker' said:
: I was trying to find out how to get my DVD to play on Linux the other day
: and found out that there is a reverse engineered decryption package needed
: to do so
[...]
: As this law doesn't exist in the UK, does anyone know where I can get the
: necessary files?
Download it from a Internet DNS server near you with this script:
=====
#! /bin/sh
for DVDs in Linux screw the MPAA and ; do dig $DVDs.z.zoy.org ; done | \
perl -ne 's/\.//g; print pack("H224",$1) if(/^x([^z]*)/)' | gunzip
=======
--
Black Dragon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Subject: Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:07:25 GMT
On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:55:50 GMT, Chris Z. Wintrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Goldhammer wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 14:37:23 GMT, WGAF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Luckily for Linux, there are people who
>> >can see behind the hype.....
>> >
>> >http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/01/12/index3a.html
>>
>> This article presents the usual incorrect
>> picture of the OSS movement as somesort of
>> 'corporation' or 'business' whose goal is
>> to compete in the marketplace:
>
>Whilst you are partly correct, let me remind you that there are
>companies out there that are totally based on the OSS movement.
>Does RedHat ring a bell? What about Ximian? Eazel?
Yes, these are, as you say, based on the OSS movement,
in some sense at least. But these companies, although
"based" in some sense on the OSS movement, are not
*the OSS movement*. Greenspan is talking about the
competitive survival *the OSS movement*, not just
companies "based on the OSS movement":
"You may even think the open-source movement can
survive on its own..."
>Whilst I agree that the possible failings of any OSS-based company or
>community is by no means going to spell the end of the OSS movement, it
>*is* necessary for these OSS-based companies or communities to "stay
>competitive" if they ever hope to succeed.
Sure. Companies need to stay competitive in order
to succeed. Why does "the open source movement"
"need to stay competitive" in order to "succeed"?
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: Robert Sturgeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:18:59 -0700
On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:29:39 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
(snips)
>>Yeah, it's right-wing socialism, characterized by vertical integration
>>of the industrial sector.
>
>there is no such thing as right wing socialism dumb fuck
What then do you suppose Nazi means?
(rest snipped)
--
Robert Sturgeon-
Proud member of The Vast Rightwing Conspiracy.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
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From: "Chris Z. Wintrowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates...
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:26:42 GMT
Goldhammer wrote:
>
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:13:02 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:N__z6.56894
>
> "You may be of the opinion that open-source
> software does not need to compete directly
> with Microsoft or any other commercial
> software vendor. You may even think the
> open-source movement can survive on its
> own without any corporate influence. But
> the truth is, at this point in time there
> are very few major open-source projects that
> could continue to evolve at their current rate
> without some help from the for-profit sector..."
>
> Aside from not supplying any cogent reasoning for
> his hypothesis, Greenspan's conjecture is predicated
> on the mistaken notion that the OSS movement is
> some kind of vast business conglomerate which has
> to "survive" in the same sense that Microsoft has
> to "survive". That is quite nonsensical, of course.
> Add to this his implicit categorization of the OSS
> movement as non-profit -- another misunderstanding.
Greenspan's a hack. What do you expect?
I really don't see why you are falling for his nonsense. It's like
you've read a bad review of your favourite film and you're discussing
the review with your friends, hinting that the critic should have his
knee caps summarily removed. What's the point? It's obvious that the
future of the OSS movement doesn't hinge on it's competition with
commercial software vendors. Even my recently evacuated feces don't need
me to tell them this.
> Lots and lots of stupid advice has been offered
> on how Linux can "stay competitive" or "survive
> in the markets". 'If Linux or OSS is to survive,
> it's got to learn some lessons from
> ActiveState/Borland/Microsoft/whatever.' Advice
> like this is just polemical rubbish, because OSS
> is not a corporation. Some people just can't grasp
> this point.
Yes, mostly mindless marketroid voids who cannot get the OSS idea
through their thick, fecal infested skulls.
- Chris Z. Wintrowski -
* "Is that your head, or did your neck throw up?" *
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Subject: Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:50:19 GMT
On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:26:42 GMT,
Chris Z. Wintrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Greenspan's a hack. What do you expect?
>
>I really don't see why you are falling for his nonsense. It's like
>you've read a bad review of your favourite film and you're discussing
>the review with your friends, hinting that the critic should have his
>knee caps summarily removed. What's the point?
That's a fair point. Let me offer an analogy.
Do you ever watch Star Trek Voyager? If you're a geek,
there's a good chance you catch the later episodes at
least, if only to gawk at 44-Of-D. Other than that, you
probably think the show is total crap, that Roddenberry
and his intellectual heirs are hacks. Yet for some reason,
you keep watching... watching... if only for the sheer
joy of hinting to your friends that the scenes where
Kes eats bugs, Nog is recycled as an adolescent Kazon,
the HoloDoc sings operettas, Seska transmogrifies into
a yet-more-hideous cackling lunatic, and Janeway turns
into an iguana... fully justify the removal of Rick
Berman's kneecaps.
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: robert@- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: 8 Apr 2001 14:58:07 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GreyCloud says...
>
>Ever tried Solaris 8??
>
Solaris is definitly better organized and better managed than the
chaotic way that Linux distro and the linux apps are managed.
at least on Solaris they now have a GUI installer for everything.
Still Solaris for the desktop is a joke. you can't even play DVD
on Solaris and netscape on Solaris (as netscape on every unix) is
a joke.
I think Unix is destined to remain a server only environment, and even
in this, windows seems to be gaining grounds.
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:58:12 GMT
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > In misc.invest.stocks J.T. Wenting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > | "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > |> XP = eXPerimental
> > > |>
> > > | thought it meant ExPert?
> > >
> > > Naw...It means eXtra Profit...
> >
> > X-ray (your) Possesions?
> > eXamine (your) Passport?
> > eXcoriate (your) Pudendum?
> > eXit (all) Programs?
> > Xerxes-like Profits?
> > Xenophobic Posturing?
> > eXcess Pee?
> >
> > --
> > [ Do Not Make Illegal Copies of This Message ]
>
> Now that I look at it long enough, XP,... it looks like a dead emoticon
> with its tongue hanging out.
>
> --
> V
Windows ExPired.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xerox bans XP = eXPerimental beta
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 23:01:54 GMT
Goldhammer wrote:
>
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:14:06 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Now that I look at it long enough, XP,... it looks like a dead emoticon
> >with its tongue hanging out.
>
> Those are prophetic words.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18164.html
>
> --
> Don't think you are. Know you are.
I like the part where the outages were blamed on third party _hardware_.
A installs XP on his desktop and it brings down the network, but it
isn't MS fault. All the hardware manufacturesr should have read their
tea leaves and built equipment that will run anything MS decides to do.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 8 Apr 2001 23:08:27 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Said Craig Kelley in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 05 Apr 2001 09:38:42
:>"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:>
:>> Oh, so the Rep's were the only ones honest about their dealings?
:>
:>Of course not, but at least republicans go after Microsoft with the
:>intent of restoring a free market, and not with some loony class-war
:>redistribution of wealth fanaticism.
: Liberals have no class-war issues; that's just the straw-man of the
: conservatives.
That would be easier to believe if more of the liberals could finish a
complete sentence without calling for open class warfare. :(
BTW: many conservatives openly call for class warfare as well. I'm
not defending them. To a libertarian, both ideologies have some
serious issues.
Joe
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:33:14 -0400
Anonymous wrote:
>
> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it
> > is simpler
The GUI vs CLI debate rages on. At issue is "easier to learn" vs "easier to
use." The problem with this is that is is different based on the application
you are using.
A paint program is most certainly the type of app which benefits from point and
click. I have yet to see a GUI based integrated software development
environment (IDE) that was helpful to someone who knew what they were doing. I
have yet to see a SQL front end that was easier to use than the raw SQL.
The biggest problem I have with GUI based applications is the "where did they
hide the setting?" game, followed closely by "where did the move that setting
in this version?"
After that, I like CLI based commands because I know what I want to do and I
can type it. A GUI based system requires an added step of navigating the
various menus and dialog boxes that seem to get in the way of what I want to
do.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:29:54 +1200
> Windows NT will not do this. If your hardware is sound and drivers
> are correct. "GPF" sounds like a 3.1x thing.
I use GPF as a generic term for an application fault, since it's quicker to
type. Application randomly tries to access memory it's not supposed to, and
the operating system shuts it down. There are multiple types of fault, but
since they all have the same result (app shut down, data lost), I just like
the quickest option for referring to it.
> If it is the application only that is crashing, then that is an
> application fault, not an OS fault.
Agreed, the situation I described is most likely a problem with Excel.
However, under apparently identical conditions, Excel will sometimes work.
And Excel is not the only offender, piles and piles of software will crash
unpredictably while running under windows. At some point you have to wonder
whether the OS is really all that well put together. Can so many
programmers be so totally incompetent, or is there a more serious problem?
> > Every time I use linux, it does what I would expect it to do. THAT'S
ease
> > of use.
>
> heh. linux won't even install on a computer that ran windows NT non
> stop for a year and a half (meaning the only time it was "down" was when I
shut
> it down). linux has its problems as well.
And how familiar with linux are you?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 23:36:31 GMT
On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:21:34 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:> Naw...It means eXtra Profit...
>eXtra Pathetic
eXceedingly Perverse
eXorbitant Price
eXtraordinarily Purulent
eXtraneous Procedures
eXpect Pus
eXtreme Pain
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:38:28 GMT
On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:18:59 -0700, Robert Sturgeon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:29:39 GMT,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
>
>(snips)
>
>>>Yeah, it's right-wing socialism, characterized by vertical integration
>>>of the industrial sector.
>>
>>there is no such thing as right wing socialism dumb fuck
>
>What then do you suppose Nazi means?
I don't give a fuck what the name means dummy. Unless yer one of the
idiots that still thinks East germany was a democracy and China a
republic.
>
>(rest snipped)
>
>--
>Robert Sturgeon-
>Proud member of The Vast Rightwing Conspiracy.
>http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:39:45 +0200
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> After that, I like CLI based commands because I know what I want to do and
I
> can type it. A GUI based system requires an added step of navigating the
> various menus and dialog boxes that seem to get in the way of what I want
to
> do.
Read the help files.
You have to do it anyway for CLI applications.
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From: Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:09:44 -0500
"robert@-" wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> GreyCloud says...
>
> >
> >Ever tried Solaris 8??
> >
>
> Solaris is definitly better organized and better managed than the
> chaotic way that Linux distro and the linux apps are managed.
>
> at least on Solaris they now have a GUI installer for everything.
>
> Still Solaris for the desktop is a joke. you can't even play DVD
> on Solaris and netscape on Solaris (as netscape on every unix) is
> a joke.
>
You know, this has always puzzled me. Scott McNealy (Sun CEO) has
a very public distain for Microsoft. This is without question. Yet,
Sun's CDE (Common Desktop Environment) is an absolute joke. You would
think that this would be a no-brainer for McNealy and he'd get the
lead out and put out a respectable window manager with drag-n-drop,
file managers, multimedia, etc..
It's one thing for McNealy to sit around and bitch about Microsoft, but
if he (McNealy) cannot produce the goodies for the desktop, then SHUT-UP!
> I think Unix is destined to remain a server only environment, and even
> in this, windows seems to be gaining grounds.
This may or may not be true. I don't know the figures and really don't
care. I will say that Microsoft is walking a very fine line with Windows
XP with all the bullshit registration stuff. I don't like the idea of
my operating systerm contacting Microsoft to say "Hi!".
Patrick
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From: Robert Sturgeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:25:00 -0700
On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:38:28 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
>On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:18:59 -0700, Robert Sturgeon
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:29:39 GMT,
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
>>
>>(snips)
>>
>>>>Yeah, it's right-wing socialism, characterized by vertical integration
>>>>of the industrial sector.
>>>
>>>there is no such thing as right wing socialism dumb fuck
>>
>>What then do you suppose Nazi means?
>
>I don't give a fuck what the name means dummy. Unless yer one of the
>idiots that still thinks East germany was a democracy and China a
>republic.
Thank you for being totally open about your willful
ignorance.
--
Robert Sturgeon-
Proud member of The Vast Rightwing Conspiracy.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
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From: Jeffrey Siegal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:39:02 -0700
Isaac wrote:
> First they claim that if you distribute
> a program that can link only to a GPL'd library, that when you distribute
> the program even without the library, you are really still distributing
> the program+library.
I don't know whether they actually claim that or not, but frankly, it's
ridiculous.
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From: Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DVD on Linux?
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:14:06 +0100
> As this law doesn't exist in the UK, does anyone know where I can get the
> necessary files?
>
Doesn't this law exist in the UK - a local DVD shop was closed down last
year for selling american DVD's and accused of selling pirated discs. This
is just as stupid - American film company presses a DVD then UK company
imports this DVD and it becomes classed as a Pirated disc in the UK even
though in many cases it was pressed in the same factory as the UK release.
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