Linux-Advocacy Digest #548, Volume #33 Thu, 12 Apr 01 14:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: I'm so happy! (Mark Hillary)
Re: Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V (Was: t. max devlin: kook) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: MS and ISP's (T. Max Devlin)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (T. Max Devlin)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (T. Max Devlin)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (T. Max Devlin)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (T. Max Devlin)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (T. Max Devlin)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin)
Re: CLI vs. GUI (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (The Ghost In
The Machine)
Re: Basement Boy: Aka Aaron Koookis (Chad Everett)
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From: Mark Hillary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I'm so happy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:49:32 +0100
Todd Wrote
>> Thank you for the time, and sorry if I bored ya. I'm just happy!
>
> Sounds like you are convinced !
>
> -Todd
>
Sounds like he's on drug's
--
Mark Hillary
Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V (Was: t. max devlin: kook)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:51:56 GMT
Said Rob S. Wolfram in alt.destroy.microsoft on 9 Apr 2001 07:18:48 GMT;
>Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>>message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>[snip]
>>> - Control/C, Control/X, and Control/V
>>
>>I remember using RH 6, with copy, cut, paste, were alt instead of ctrl, it
>>drove me *mad*.
>
>I have no idea where the choice for these keybindings originated, but is
>surely is a *very* poor choice. The Ctrl-[letter] combinations have had
>a special meaning since the early days of ASCII. Why they had to be
>abused for copy/cut/paste is a mystery to me.
They came from the Macintosh, sort of, though the Mac didn't have a
control key; it was the 'command' key. The industry standard (mostly
because IBM used it) CUI (Common User Interface) used different keys:
Shift-Insert, Shift-Delete, and Control-Insert, or somesuch. Microsoft
used those in the first three versions of Windows. After Win3.0 became
widely implemented, after Apple lost their lawsuit over "look and feel",
Microsoft added the Mac bindings as an alternative in Win3.1. With
Win95, they dumped the CUI bindings, and picked up the trash can and
other Mac-like details.
>How am I supposed to send an INT signal to an application that
>interprets the ^C itself (where using the multitasking abilities of the
>underlying OS is not an option)?
Yup, that's a problem. Which is why DOS boxes don't have
straight-forward cut/copy/paste controls. They either use alternate
bindings, or you have to use the menus.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:51:57 GMT
Said JS PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:42:54 -0400;
[...]
>MS holds no "right" to be on all computers, but my power company holds the
>"right" to be my sole supplier of electricity. That is a true monopoly. [...]
Sounds more like a true public utility. Tell me, is this "right" that
they have something they always have by their nature, or something which
is imbued unto them from outside? I think you're just using the term
"right" to mean "whatever I decide it means". Kind of like the way you
use the word "monopoly". Why does the government writing regulations
making your power company the sole supplier of your electricity confer a
"right" to do so? Wouldn't that really be just the "ability", or the
"opportunity", rather than the "right"?
What is this thing you call "right"? And why should we imagine you have
any better idea of what that abstraction pertains to then you do for
"monopoly", which you've obviously simply made up an almost random
definition for?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:51:58 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:30:34
-0600;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it
>> is simpler
>
>i just wanted to see that again
And I bet the last thing in the world you wanted was for me to explain
it. You're such a putz, pretending like typing is somehow impossible.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:00 GMT
Said The Ghost In The Machine in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 08 Apr
2001 13:42:18 GMT;
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Anonymous
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:30:34 -0600
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it
>>> is simpler
>>
>>i just wanted to see that again
>> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
>There are advantages to the command line, but ease of learning
>is not among them (though it depends in part on the complexity
>thereof, the design of the GUI, and to a large part on the
>documentation available using 'man' or 'info').
The problem you are having understanding why my words are correct is an
abstraction error. I did not way "a command line" is easier, did I?
No, I said "anything with a command line" is easier. As in any
operation you wish to perform with a command line is simply a series of
characters. To explain how to do outrageously complex tasks, a Unix
guru need merely send me a string, and say "type this." How much
simpler could it be? With the Windows geek, its a matter of outrageous
amounts of navigation through windows and dialogs, clicking this point
not that point on the screen....
Ease of learning *EACH COMMAND* is without a doubt the NUMBER ONE
strength of the command line. Ease of learning the whole thing is no
different with CLI or GUI, of course, since either task is actually
learning how a computer works, the whole thing, and the interface does
not change the way a computer works.
>A well-designed GUI can be very easy, especially if it has common
>elements; this is what makes Windows so powerful. (Mac OS, too,
>as it turns out, although the details are different, and, to
>a slightly lesser extent, widget sets on X; the main problem there
>is cut and paste, and resize feedback.)
>
>Everyone understands:
>
>- moving the mouse pointer
>- clicking, dragging, and dropping
>- double-clicking, dragging, and dropping icons
>- folder icons as directories, document icons as files
>- top-mounted window pulldown menus
>- keyboard shortcuts
>- buttons with balloon help
>- text entry controls, both multiline and single-line
>- Control/C, Control/X, and Control/V
>- scrollbars
>- scrolling lists (both horizontal and vertical)
>- drop down comboboxes (which are actually a combination of button,
> menu, and list)
Magically, do they know this?
I'd say it is more likely that everyone knows
- A
- B
- C
- D
- E
[...]
Along with a few special characters, this is a far more universal set of
components that the mouse techniques (which often take as many months to
master as the alphabet, though most people forget how long it took them
to learn the alphabet (and forgot what it was like not to know it) just
as quickly as they forget what it was like not to know mouse techniques.
>Windows does have advantages.
The statement is incomprehensible. Perhaps you mean something which is
similar to Windows without being monopoly crapware would have
advantages. And I agree, though I am skeptical if it is possible to get
software to actually do all the things that MS promises without ensuring
it is crapware.
>However, MS may be frittering
>away some of them; the latest Windows appear to have movable
>menubars. What use is that? Detach a menubar from the window,
>and it becomes a floating menubar -- um, now what app did
>that floating menubar correspond to?! (Netscape and GTK have
>the same capability, so it's not limited to Windows.)
OpenLook, Sun's pre-CDE desktop, did something like this. Remember the
little push-pins?
>And then there's the famous gorgeously slow disappearing and
[...]
Blah blah blah. Windows sucks eggs.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:01 GMT
Said GreyCloud in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:24:32
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
[...]
>> Actually, not. Ever see a true newbie in front of a Windows machine?
>>
>> They are just as stymied by a GUI as they are by a command line.
>
>You're correct! I've watched new secretaries trying to learn point and
>click for the first time. Hand-eye-coordination training is needed.
>All newbies to windows have trouble in the beginning. And then real
>troubles later on when the crapware starts giving them fits.
All newbies to all computers have trouble in the beginning. This seems
proof enough to me that our brains do not work like computers, but that
is a different discussion. As for picking up the intuitive technique of
mouse controls, it may take anywhere from twenty minutes to two hours
simply to get the idea, and two days to two months of practice before it
becomes thoughtless and automatic. From that point on, of course, the
person is convinced it is always, and always has been, thoughtless and
automatic.
This is why they put Solitaire in Windows; I used it often in my
"Introduction to Windows" classes as an ideal way of getting this out of
the way. Folks can learn to click and drag (thought sometimes, believe
it or not, you have to explain the rules of Klondike solitaire) and then
after they start getting it, you can introduce the mysterious
"double-click" (some people don't seem to know, even now, that you can
double-click a card to put it on the stack if it is the next card in the
suite.)
It is also very handy for getting people used to using Windows
applications. Solitaire is an example of a program on Windows that
hardly ever crashes, which is rare, so it is a good starting point that
eliminates that possible point of confusion.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:02 GMT
Said Ray Chason in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 09 Apr 2001 04:18:43
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
>>Most X window managers rubberband during resize, so this facility
>>may not even be available. I am tempted to write one that treats
>>X resize events similarly to X move events, but I fear the performance
>>in many apps may not be there -- and it will take me awhile,
>>as it's not my speciality.
>
>(Is there some reason this thread is crossposted to soc.singles?)
Well, T. Max Devlin, the aforementioned "kook" (or at least that's what
the trolls call me) is single, now that you mention it. Any young
nubile ladies (or old perverted women) who would like to can send me
email.
>I'm running KDE 2.1, and it refreshes on resize.
The real reason it is cross-posted is because Jackie Pokemon seems to
like to cross-post to soc.singles for no reason whatsoever. I suppose
he finds it an effective trolling technique, regardless of where the
cross-posts go to. I've added the cross-post back into this message,
(the announcement above seems senseless otherwise), but follow-ups are
set accordingly. Any complaints or sexual fantasies, you can send them
to me email.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:03 GMT
Said mlw in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:33:14 -0400;
>Anonymous wrote:
>>
>> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it
>> > is simpler
>
>The GUI vs CLI debate rages on. At issue is "easier to learn" vs "easier to
>use." The problem with this is that is is different based on the application
>you are using.
There is no debate. Just people with confused opinions, and people who
appreciate both. Sorry, Mark, at issue in the statement above is not
any argument about what "easier to learn" is or means or relates to
"use". That is simply a category error. It's possible that, had jackie
not stripped it of all context, you still would not have realized that,
but nevertheless, I made the statement, so I know what it means. And it
means what it says, and there is no room for debate. Memorizing a
string of text might seem like rocket science to some people, but it is
simpler than pages and pages of "now go here" instructions, every time.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:05 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:39:45
>"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> After that, I like CLI based commands because I know what I want to do and
>I
>> can type it. A GUI based system requires an added step of navigating the
>> various menus and dialog boxes that seem to get in the way of what I want
>to
>> do.
>
>Read the help files.
>You have to do it anyway for CLI applications.
>
No you don't. All you have to do is type. Learning what to type is
still easier (because you learn what to type from other people, if you
have any brains, not the computer) because the person who knows it can
simply GIVE it to you. It will work without any explanation at all.
The instructions necessary to perform ANY task with a GUI, however, are
MASSIVELY COMPLICATED, in comparison.
Note the issue I originally addressed, before Jackie started playing
troll games. Using a CLI allows verbatim execution of "blind commands";
as long as you type it correctly, it doesn't matter if you understand
it. That can come later. With a GUI, however, there are no "blind
commands"; you cannot simply perform a task by rote without performing
an intricate *series* of steps, all of which have verbose *explanations*
that you must understand or you will not be able to proceed to the next.
Sure, you can click "OK" without a complete breakdown of what OK does,
but the question is automatic, I think: "Which OK button?" because there
are multiple OK buttons in the procedure, quite possibly.
What a CLI, everything is simply a command, or series of commands. With
a GUI (which I much prefer for most tasks, of course, as do most other
people) it is a series of tasks (all variable and ambiguous) or series
of procedures. Which sounds "simpler", to you?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:06 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 07:16:48
-0600;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:09:06
>> -0600;
>> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:06:51
>> >> -0600;
>> >> >"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> Maybe Microsoft will go the full monty and deliver a stable OS for once?
>> >> >
>> >> >why don't you do something to make unix as easy to use as windows while
>> >> >retaining the former's stability and put microsoft out of business?
>> >>
>> >> Your result does not logically follow from your premise, I'm afraid.
>> >> What does ease of use have to do with illegal monopolization?
>> >
>> >for one thing it's extremely popular and thus affords you the opportunity
>>
>>
>> What does ease of use have to do with illegal monopolization?
>
>microsoft's total domination of the desktop is the result of windows.
>no amount of alleged monopolistic tactics will cut it if the product
>don't sell.
Guffaw.
>or:
>if they had stuck with dos we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:07 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 07:19:39
-0600;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:39:05
>> -0600;
>> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:44:45
>> >> >aaron wrote:
>> >> >> Anonymous wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > > Maybe Microsoft will go the full monty and deliver a stable OS for once?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > why don't you do something to make unix as easy to use as windows while
>> >> >> > retaining the former's stability and put microsoft out of business?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's been so for well over a DECADE, jackie.
>> >> >
>> >> >so you're saying that in 1991 there was a unix system as easy to use as
>> >> >windows is today?
>> >>
>> >> To someone who knows how to use it, Unix is easy to use. To someone who
>> >> does not know how to use it, Windows is hard to use.
>> >
>> >which one is easier to learn to use?
>>
>> Unix, without a doubt. I've taught ignorant people both, and there is
>> no comparison. Unix is more powerful than many people feel comfortable
>> with, of course, as they're insecure and unimaginative, as they've been
>> taught to be. But Unix is undisputably easier.
>
>the emperor's new OS
Quite trolling me, you little worm. You are not EVEN entertaining
enough to be worth my time flaming.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: CLI vs. GUI
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:10 GMT
Said Chris Ahlstrom in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 09 Apr 2001
>667 Neighbor of the Beast wrote:
>>
>> > "Aaron R. Kookoonut" wrote:
>> > >
>> Ever see a true newbie in front of a Windows machine?
>> > >
>> > > They are just as stymied by a GUI as they are by a command line.
>>
>> Yes it has been proven that DOS accounting apps are 3X more productive
>> for a business to use than GUI accounting apps cuz the office workers
>> find them so much easier to use.
>
>A newbie always moves tentatively in a new neighborhood, whether
>on foot, on a bike, or in a car.
I don't think the newness of the apps was an issue. I think it is more
a matter of constantly having to do things because of the insistence of
maintaining a graphical representation. You have to constantly go from
keyboard to mouse. Unless the application is built to be run completely
from the keyboard, in which case it would be faster, more reliable, and
more efficient if you didn't waste time with the graphics.
I would certainly like to see the study, and I would not presume that it
was a whitewash or a dunning.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:53:41 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, silverback
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:15:09 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:22:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam A. Kersh)
>wrote:
[snip]
>>I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the last
>>year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
>
>and yer wrong again fuckhead
>
>>redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation." Falsely call
>
>sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
*Any* taxation of any type is redistribution, if only in the limited
sense of distributing money otherwise spendable by the individual
receiving it [*] to a government agency which can use it as it wishes,
as opposed to the individual spending it as he wishes. Kind of a
"guns" versus "butter" issue, in a twisted sort of way.
Progressive taxation is merely the increasing of the marginal taxation
rate as income increases (the first dollar is not taxed, the first
dollar after the exemption limit is taxed at 15%, the last dollar may
very well be taxed at 39.6% if one's income is high enough). For
another example: the Social Security tax is a regressive tax, as it
has a cutoff at about the $66,000 level; any dollars earned above that
amount are not subject to the tax.
The objective of such taxation is to ensure that those who are
"truly needy" (a phrase from the 1980's) are not lost in the shuffle,
and that government can continue functioning at the levels we enjoy today.
(This may or may not be a good thing, depending. For a historical
perspective, IIRC it was a 2% stamp tax which incited the Boston Tea Party.
Our current income tax is almost 20 times that amount, at its topmost level.
It was also claimed during the passage of Amendment 16 that the
income tax would never go above 10% (the original amount was 3%)
and no limit was ever put in. Whoops!)
[snip]
[*] not all money received is earned income, especially if the receiver
accepts bribes and kickbacks. But even dividend money and
interest money is suspect; at most, one has put up capital for
someone else (the bank) to use as its wishes, paying the person
a fee every so often (the interest) for the privilege of pooling
everyone's money in a more central location and making it available
for lending; those that borrow, of course, pay interest -- more
interest than the individual investors are receiving in their
savings accounts.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 6d:08h:27m actually running Linux.
The EAC doesn't exist, but they're still watching you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Basement Boy: Aka Aaron Koookis
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Apr 2001 11:36:14 -0500
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:06:43 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Karel Jansens wrote:
>>
>> Chad Everett wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:52:03 -0400, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Given access to the source code, which is a given, you need only change
>> > >> a few lines of code and recompile. I don't understand why even the
>> > >> UNIX guys are having trouble with this concept.
>> > >
>> > >Yes, but that's Mozilla, I'm talkin' Netscape 4.76, and there is no
>> > >source code for that branch. Mozilla is not Netscape; it is a totally
>> > >re-vamped open source version of Netscape. Netscape 4.76 is
>> > >closed-source.
>> > >
>> >
>> > OK...you're correct that it would be very hard to get the source code for
>> > netscape 4.6 or 4.7x.
>> >
>> > but the POINT is that it is very easy to modify a different newsreader (slrn,
>> > mozilla, etc) and make headers look EXACTLY like those generated by netscape 4.6
>> > or 4.7x
>>
>> I can only follow part of this thread (Aaron Kulkis is in my killfile),
>> but I have to ask anyway: What could _possibly_ be the point of
>> maskerading a newsreader to make it pretend it is another newsreader??
>
>Keeps me from being targeted by virus freaks.
>
You can't name one way it actually accomplishes this.
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