Linux-Advocacy Digest #796, Volume #33 Mon, 23 Apr 01 04:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 ("Todd")
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! (jtnews)
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows ("Todd")
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 ("Todd")
Re: Anyone have any stats on how many times RedHat 7.1 is being (jtnews)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud)
Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested! ("Todd")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft: Closed source is more secure (jtnews)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Jan Vorbrueggen)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Nomen Nescio)
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:27:14 +0800
Reply-To: "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Todd wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > <snype>
> > > > Hehe, come on matt...
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, where's Illustrator? Photoshop? Quark Xpress? Indesign?
> > Flash?
> > > > Colin McRae Rally? Half-Life? Flight Simulator? Dreamweaver?
Director?
> > Shall
> > > > I go on?
> > > >
> > > > None of these apps have even similar-quality equivalents in Linux.
> > > >
> > > > I use Staroffice 5.2 also btw. It's great (for those rare times when
I
> > > > actually need an office suite). What the guy said isn't FUD, it's
the
> > god's
> > > > honest truth. For a regular joe user, Linux is useless. It's great
for
> > > > programmers, but that's about all. If you want to get some R&R or do
any
> > > > kind of design-related jobbie, linux is sort of a dead end. Also,
I'm
> > not
> > > > sure why they call win98 bloatware, when my Mandrake 7.2 install
took up
> > > > almost a gig and a half.
> > > >
> > > > It's ok in an office environment though, if office work is all it's
> > going to
> > > > be doing. Linux is a really good turnkey OS but not great at doing
many
> > > > varied things. That falls squarely in the court of Windows / MacOS.
> > Unless
> > > > it's games. Than there's nothing but windows (and not even 2000,
just
> > 98).
> > >
> > > As for running it in a design studio, I don't see in the short term
> > > Linux making huge inroads, however, how do I or any one else knows
that
> > > Adobe of Macromedia are quiety testing out pre-alpha linux versions of
> > > their software on Linux?
> >
> > How do we know they are?
>
> How do when know they are not? Most companies start a little internal
> beta, view the market place and decide whether to throw it on the back
> burner for a while or whether to go the full monty. Macromedia maybe in
> that phase. By the tone of your post you literately say, "it ain't
> going to happen", well, it just might.
Hey - I've been around enough to see almost everything. But users that need
to get work done need software - and if it is in internal beta, that just
doesn't cut it.
>
> > > maybe they are just hanging around and may
> > > release it when the time is right.
> >
> > And maybe they won't.
> >
> > In order to be productive, you need *the software*.
> >
> > Speculation doesn't get work done.
> >
> > Windows has the software, Linux doesn't.
> >
> > > No one knows. As for photoshop and
> > > Quark Xpress, howmany home users out their use those sorts of titles,
> > > considering Photoshop in NZ is $2500 +GST, and Quark Xpress is around
> > > the same amount.
> >
> > Many companies (such as the one I work at) have deals with major
software
> > suppliers such that it allows the employees to work at home.
> >
> > I am not sure how these deals are done, but I do know that companies
like it
> > when their employees work from home :)
>
> I was taking about general home users. Those circumstances you mention
> are in relation to home offices which is a different kettle of fish.
> Yet again I will emphasise that the average user doesnot use those sorts
> of software.
Ok - then I would say most home users are web browsers, email, and then
entertainment. Windows rules the entertainment and the browser by far.
Next comes the office suite - even my dad wants Office 2000. It's just
simple. People want Office. It doesn't run on Linux.
> > > As for the area of games, most people I know use gaming consoles such
as
> > > Sony Playstation because they can use it on their tv and have a larger
> > > picture.
> >
> > There are many console gamers, yes.
> >
> > But they are different from PC gamers.
> >
> > This is the same argument OS/2 users use because they know Win32 games
> > *rock* ; and they don't run on OS/2 (or Linux for that matter).
> >
> > Console games are played on TVs with a rez. of about 240x160... I am
sure
> > you are not going to say that 'rockz' over playing Quake3 in 1600x1280
:)
> >
> > Also, most console games are so limited they just don't impress me.
> >
> > Tribes 2 on a console ? NOPE.
> >
> > Ground Control on a console ? NOPE.
> >
> > Age of Empires II on a console ? NOPE.
> >
> > Space Empires IV on a console ? NOPE.
> >
> > get my point?
> >
> > The types of games PC gamers like mostly don't exist on a console.
>
> Question, do you buy a new game each week?
If there were a game that I liked, I would.
> and would you get pissed off
> if you ran out of games to buy?
It wouldn't piss me off. But I love good games.
> Most people don't buy a game each
> week. The games for Linux are just as great if not better than what is
> available on Linux.
Ummm... OK :) You have a girlfriend with you or are you drinking? :)
Anyway, I will assume you meant windows that last line :)
But, Windows has better games. Just face the facts.
> If you could do better, why don't you start up a
> company dedicated to porting all these "popular games" to Linux, or
> don't you have the balls?
I'd have the balls if there were *money* in it.
> > > Currently there are, for linux: Civilization: Call to Power,
> > > Myth II, Railroad Tycoon II, Eric's Ultimate Solitaire, Heretic II,
> > > Heroes III, Quake III Arena, Heavy Gear II, SimCity 3000, Sid Meier's
> > > Alpha Centauri, Soldier of Fortune, Descent3, MindRover, Unreal
> > > Tournament, Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns, Tribes 2, Deus Ex Rune, Heavy
> > > Metal: F.A.K.K.2
> >
> > You just said most gamers like consoles, and now you are printing the
almost
> > complete list of games for Linux (very very limited compared to
Windows).
> >
> > So what exactly was your point? (oh and the Tribes 2 client is NOT
ready
> > for Linux yet)
> How many users have more than 5 games? bugger all, so get over your
> little, "Windows has more games than Linux" fad.
It's not a 'fad', it's the truth. There is a ton more variety with Windows
games - and utimately satisfies a greater number of people.
> > > That doesn't include some of the freeware games out there. So the
range
> > > of games available is quite extensive.
> >
> > But not *nearly* as extensive as for Windows.
> List the Windows freeware games.
Freeware games, huh?
I was going to respond, but after searching www.downloads.com and
www.fileplanet.com, it struck me that there were literally thousands of
freeware games, not to mention shareware games. I couldn't even list them
if I tried. Then I searched under Linux games. Far, far fewer entries.
> > > As for the comment regarding the size of Mandrake, that includes
> > > StarOffice,
> >
> > StarOffice is *ok*, but not nearly as great as MS Office. Also, you
need to
> > be able to read and write what the rest of the world uses - and that is
the
> > (proprietary) Office formats. (Hey - I wish the formats were pure XML -
> > don't flame me)
> XML would be awsome, imagine, you save it in XML and no matter what
> Office Suite is being used, they can read the file. Now that is what I
> would call innovation, which, Microsoft not world renowned for.
Actually, that wouldn't be innovation as this idea has been around for quite
a while. MS *couldn't* do this, because it would make it easy for
competitors to latch onto the file format that *MS* created. Not good
*business* sense.
> > > uncompressors, compressors,
> >
> > WinZip is the best on the market - a win32 app. There are a bazillion
of
> > these tools for Win32 as well.
> >
> > > browsers,
> >
> > Yet Linux doesn't support IE6 - the best browser by far. Please oh
Please
> > don't even mention Netscape - I can pull back zillions of posts about
how
> > crappy netscape is (from all Linux users).
> >
> > And please don't try to convince w2k users that IE crashes - you will
lose
> > your credibility. YES, it does crash a LOT on 9x platforms ( I know it
> > because I have used it at WAN cafes)
> >
> > BTW - Win32 has IE, Opera, MSN, GEO, and yes, buggy and crashy Netscape
> > (although it didn't crash for me that much...)
> Nutscrape Scabpicker 6 is a terrible browser, however, I prefer using
> Konquorer for normal browsing. Mind you, the latest version 4.76 isn't
> too bad, it hasn't crashed on be, yet.
Hmmm... I have heard that Konquorer is better than Netscape on Linux... but
haven't tried it. Netscape doesn't seem to crash as much (or so I've heard
from Linux users) on W2k.
> > > mediaplayers,
> >
> > Heh - Win32 has a ton more media players than Linux. It even has "Media
> > Player" which is going to blow your mind when you see version 8.
> >
> > BTW, it may be proprietary, but I tried out MS' new audio format. It
really
> > does sound better - and it compresses more. The downside is that it
*is*
> > proprietary... bummer. *But*, the *technology* is better and MS created
it.
> > Wish they would submit it to the standards board.
> Why doesn't Microsoft make it a defact standard by developing players
> for Linux, *BSD, Windows, Mac, Solaris, HP-UX and IRIX? then I would be
> really impressed.
Me too... but most wouldn't like it anyway. Although the format is
*better*, it does have the copyright restrictions and stuff in there... so
it wouldn't allow for 'free trade' of copyrighted material. This would
annoy most of the extreme users of Linux and the open source movement,
copylefters, etc.
> > > server
> > > tools,
> >
> > Ok, besides the *old* MacOS, what OS *doesn't* have server tools??? W2k
has
> > more server tools than I know what to do with.
> the previous poster wanted to know why the installation was so big, and
> there was the answer, there are servers, freeware titles, office suites
> etc installed by default.
ahhh. I really don't care how big an installation is, as long as it is
organized logically and documents. Linux, so far, hasn't done a hot job of
that.
But, it is getting better in that regard.
> > > development tools and many other third party tools you would
> > > spend hours looking for and downloading.
> >
> > The best development tools exist for Win32.
> >
> > There was a nice shot of ID working on DOOM3 - and the ID developer was
> > using... <drum roll/> Visual C++
>
> What does Visual C++ do that Borland C++ doesn't? please expand on that.
My favorite question :)
I used to be a Borland fanatic all the way until NT 3.51.
What got me is this: I love programming assembly, and Borland took *out*
the assembler when they shipped a revised version of it that I was using for
OS/2.
I called them up and they said they now charge *extra* for the same product
I had just a few months ago. Well, I was pissed. I ended up buying it
anyway.
That is what made me *look* at Visual C++, and I was very impressed with it.
I gave it a try, and I switched.
I haven't looked back.
-Todd
>
> Matthew Gardiner
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:24:36 GMT
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
>
> ipslo wrote:
>
> > Just build your own computer. The parts are really cheap these days and
> > you have total control and it is actually a fun project.
>
> That's what I've done the past two upgrade cycles. I highly recommend it.
>
> No more inflated prices to cover the "free" bundled software, either.
>
> I hate to think what I would have had to pay to get the equivalent of what I
> just built from Dell.
I've gone through this same argument before.
But whenever I use something like PriceWatch.com
and add up all the equivalent components I'd need
to buy I always wind up with a machine that costs
about the same or a little bit more than if I just
bought one of the cheapest boxes from Dell.
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:37:26 +0800
Reply-To: "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9burv3$49r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Speaking of keyboards, I still have one of the *original* IBM PC-AT
> > keyboards with that famous magnetic 'click' keysound.
> >
> > Those keyboards were made out of *metal* and they rocked.
>
> Old keyboards are cool. I have an old 83 key keyboard from an RM Nimbus
> 80(1?)86. Metal bast and clocks in at over a kilo. Very solid.
>
> But the BBC keyboards were some of the best. They had individual switches
> that you could replace easily (if you have a soldering iron) if they
> broke.
That's what I loved about the original PC keyboards made by IBM. They
didn't have mechanical switches. All magnetically operated... *really* cool
and almost impossible to break.
And that 'click' sound... <sigh>
-Todd
> They were pretty much indestructable 9as were the computers built
> in to them).
>
> -Ed
>
> > Wish you could still buy them new...
>
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:35:58 +0800
Reply-To: "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9bu9gi$plt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I would never say linux is 'useless'.
>
> true.
>
> > It *is* hard to learn, and not organized very well.
>
> untrue. It's fine to learn.
It may be 'fine' to learn, but it is still *relatively* difficult.
> And once you've learned it, it is a hell of a
> lot easier to use.
This is true for everything... once you learn something, doing the task in
question is easier, because you don't have to *relearn* it.
HOWEVER - what I am saying is that Windows is easier to learn than Linux.
> > Yes. But why would you want to use the CLI anyway?
>
> It's fast and efficient. It's nuch faster to type pan or xv or gimp than
> to navigate through 4 levels of menus to find a program. In fact, I have
> an xterm swallowed by one of those FVWM2 modules, so I always have a
> terminal which ever desktop I am on.
>
> how would you do something like:
>
> ls *.wav | sed -e's/sox & -r44100 -c2 &.cd' | sh
>
> in a GUI? It converts all wav files in a directory to CD quality ones. It
> took about 20 seconds to type. How long would that take in a GUI? Longer
> than 20 seconds. I do stuff like that all the time. It would take lot
> longer in a GUI.
Probably true... however, I bet it would take 1/10th of the time to *learn*
that process in a GUI than from a CLI.
> > Funny. A CLI is
> > simply a text based GUI.
>
> er....?
>
>
> > The Windows 2000 server resource kit give one
> > almost every tool necessary for CLI work anyway... never used it though.
>
> So M$ finally realised that a CLI was a very good thing to have. Well,
> they took their time.
The have always had the command prompt from day one.
> > Just use terminal services for remote admin. Works great.
>
> Great! Just like ssh+X.
In other words, both systems are easy to administer remotely.
> >> Can you get any
> >> good documentation with windoze?
> >
> > Sure. It is fully indexed and very easy to use.
>
> I tried using 'soze documentation once. It was useless. I haven't tried
> it in Win2K, though.
I forgot how NTs looked, but the one in w2k is great.
> >> At least I can type "info rm" and get a
> >> FULL DETAILED discription of usage and envocations for the command!
> >> Have you tryed "help fdisk" in windoze?
> >
> > The correct CLI syntax is to put a /? at the end of the command. If you
> > want a lot more detailed help, there is always 'help' on the start menu.
> > I know that may seem unintuitive to the linux community :)
>
> So you keep having to jump out of hte CLI.Now that is a pain.
Well, the CLI in w2k is graphical - no need to jump out of the gui, you are
already in it.
> >> Argue as you will but Linux has taken my blood and I shall give
> >> my
> > energy
> >> to the revalotuion.
> >
> > You may want to get a spell checker someday also :)
>
> ispell.
that's intuitive :)
-Todd
>
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone have any stats on how many times RedHat 7.1 is being
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:32:27 GMT
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> Nice in theory, but... :)
What theory? It worked for me on RedHat 7.0
5 times for each computer I had.
Then it worked again on RedHat 7.1 on my test
system just two days ago.
> Fine... drop the ISOs (and base and RPM folders, just for giggles) onto a
> local server. FTP in and... nope; doesn't like FTPing that server.
> Fine, reconfig to deliver via HTTP - doesn't like that, either.
What exactly was the problem you encountered when
you tried FTP? Where did it stop working?
Once you learn how to use the FTP method,
it really is simple.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:40:26 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > How much does it cost to buy Win2K today???
> >
> > --
> > V
>
> Windows 2000 Pro: $NZ800 Full version, retail
> Office 2000 Pro: $NZ1300
>
> OEM Pricing (all in New Zealand Dollars, Excluding GST (12.5%)):
>
> OEM Windows Millennium Edition (3 Pack) $645.00
> OEM Windows Millennium Edition (30 Pack) $6,400.00
> OEM Windows 98 Second Edition (3 Pack) $665.00
> OEM Windows 98 Second Edition (30 Pack) $6,500.00
> OEM Windows 2000 Professional (3 Pack) $949.00
> OEM Windows 2000 Professional (30 Pack) $8,900.00
> OEM Windows 95 (3 Pack) $649.00
> OEM Windows NT Workstation 4.0 (3-Pack) $1,150.00
> OEM MS-Dos 6.22 (3 Pack) $235.00
>
> -
Well, that answers my question! Too pricey for me. Heck, Sol 8 x86 for
$75 is good for more than one machine. That beats out WinMe even.
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> Disclaimer:
>
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
--
V
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested!
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:42:18 +0800
Reply-To: "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Todd wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > Novell Netware is dead. Why train and work in a dead technology.
> > >
> > > I agree, thats like training to become a MSCE.
> >
> > Funny, most jobs I look at these days require or state that MSCE cert.
is a
> > bonus.
> >
> > -Todd
> >
> > > All I was pointing out is
> > > if you already have those skills, why not put them to some good use?
> > >
> Not in New Zealand, oh, and btw in New Zealand the are a high percentage
> of MSCE granduates than there are in America, too bad they can't put it
> to some good use in NZ as most companies still insist on running good
> old reliable UNIX to get the real work done.
Well, last time I checked, NZ wasn't exactly the center of the computing
universe. :)
In Silicon Valley, where most tech. companies are located, there are a lot
of jobs requiring MSCE (or at least state that it is a bonus).
-Todd
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:43:15 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9bvpod$b19gk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:7KHE6.75389$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <3ae31a96$0$2383$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Johansan"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Wade Blazingame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:33AE6.6699$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > http://www.vnunet.com/News/1120413
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not sure what vnunet is, but the fact that it got through a
> > > > >> 20-paragraph review of Windows XP without a SINGLE MENTION of product
> > > > >> activation, which has been one of the most hottest issues surrounding
> > > > >> XP, is a clear tip-off that someone at vnu loves MS.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should read more of vnunet - they cover every major OS and are
> > > > > DEFINATELY no fan of MS.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, product activation in XP is ONLY an issue with those that
> > > > > intend to bootleg it. It is of NO issue whatsoever to those that
> > > > > purchase legitimate copies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been working with the beta and it continues to amaze me how many
> > > > > people have the operation of activation completely and categorically
> > > > > wrong. I'll repeat: product activation is ONLY a concern to those that
> > > > > bootleg XP - it means nothing to legitimate users. (small tidbit
> > > > > pirates already know: enterprise versions of XP come with a "magic"
> > > > > key that bypasses activation).
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, it is not a concern to me, but only because I will definitely
> > > > never buy XP. Firstly, linux meets all my needs other than
> > > > video games.
> > >
> > > So your needs are a mostly unusable OS with half-baked apps and
> > > a buggy, if not completely broken UI? Cool!
> > >
> >
> > NO - he said he'd stopped using windows.
>
> Oh my gosh! Two in a row! Do you guys get your jokes from the same
> website?
>
> >
> >
> > > Poppycock. You've obviously never tried NT or let alone Win2K, so you
> > > really don't know what your talking about. Win9x sucks, big time. NT
> > > and 2K are far superior to anything else out there on the market,
> > > includig previous MS oses. You so realize that NT/2K are of a completely
> > > different code base and are not the Win16-based crap that Win9x, are,
> > > right?
> > >
> >
> > This makes sense - someone sells you a faulty product so you decide to
> > replace it then buy a new version of same product from same company.
>
> It's not the same product, though. Microsoft had a bad past with Win9x,
> but, it proves itself again, ignorant folk like you refuse to take a look
> at Win2K because you think it's just like Win9x, when it isn't. You only
> serve to embarass yourself when you attempt to talk intelligently.
>
> -c
I can't afford Win2k and my machine fails the hardware compatibility
test.
So I bought something better... Solaris 8.
--
V
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From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft: Closed source is more secure
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:40:32 GMT
Adam Warner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Security Focus is running this story of comments by the Head of
> Microsoft's security response team at the RSA Conference:
>
> http://www.securityfocus.com/frames/?content=/templates/article.html%3Fid%3D191
>
> I think some of the arguments are self-serving and utterly disingenuous.
> For example:
>
> `By contrast, Microsoft does extensive testing on every product, and on
> every patch, said Lipner. "People ask us why our security patches take so
> long. One of the reasons they take so long is because we test them."'
This is the primary reason why closed source
operating systems are unacceptable!
Why should the entire world ever have
to wait for one company to release a security
patch in order to fix their systems?
With open source you at least have the opportunity
to immediately patch and fix the bug on your end.
>
> `Lipner, who oversees Microsoft's response to newly-reported security
> holes in its products, took the opportunity to point out "the repeated and
> recurring vulnerabilities in the Unix utilities BIND, WU-FTP, and so on.
> The repeated theme is people use this stuff, but they don't spend time
> security reviewing."'
But with open source software, any buggy utilities
gradually get better over time, if they don't
they can simply be replaced entirely by something
better.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:47:14 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> I have used Windows since version 3.11 (workgroups), and my last version
> I used for approx. 12 months was Windows 2000, and it still gets bogged
> down by buggy apps, memory usage is still too high, under linux it only
> 38MB after loading up fully to the desktop. As for the half baked
> software, if you hadn't noted that freshmeat is a site for brand new
> software, un developed, and still being debugged. I have used various
> UNIX variants, ranging from IRIX to Solaris. Linux is still the best
> desktop UNIX to date for the Intel Platform. As for the high end, no
> wonder Intel was virtually pleading with SUN to get them to port Solaris
> to Itanium, who the hell would trust Windows DC (which I call a
> glorified desktop OS) running on a big iron, NOT ME. I would rather put
> my trust in a PROVEN OS with PROVEN reliability. I am sure many Solaris
> users out their can back me up on Solaris reliability.
>
I'm running Solaris 8 x86. No problems yet. Real stable. Once the
power went out, and when the power came back on and booted up, fsck ran
automatically and was fast, and everything was ok. No corruptions were
ever present. Works fine last long time.
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> Disclaimer:
>
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
--
V
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From: Jan Vorbrueggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 23 Apr 2001 09:55:05 +0200
Dennis Yelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And who invented virtual memory?
Some guys in Britain.
Jan
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:00:21 +0200 (CEST)
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:44:43 GMT, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating idiot.
> >>
> >> Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for equal work is a
> >self
> >> flagellating idiot?
> >
> >No, just any man who marries one.
>
> You prefer to marry women that get paid less? Why?
less chance of divorce
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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