Linux-Advocacy Digest #926, Volume #33 Thu, 26 Apr 01 06:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (GreyCloud)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Boris Dynin")
Re: Impact of Internet ("Edward Hsu")
Re: Microsoft sent their customers a virus (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Two articles from the register (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Exploit devastates WinNT/2K security ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Intel versus Sparc ("Edward Rosten")
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:19:51 -0700
"Scott D. Erb" wrote:
>
> "Gunner ©" wrote:
>
> > >"History has already proven its (communism's) failure". University,
> > >another so-called "communist recruiting agency" (In the words of Aaron),
> > >none of my lectures are communist, one of them is a tree hugger, but
> > >besides that, most of them agree with the underlying phylosophy of the
> > >free market. So I don't understand where this commist threat is comming
> > >from.
> > >
> > >Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > You are one of the lucky ones... I take it you didnt go to Berkley or
> > most of the other colleges which have 60's rejects on tenure.
>
> Actually, Marxism is almost non-existant on most American campuses, and has been for
> sometime. It wasn't until graduate school that I had professors who were Marxist,
>and
> they were a minority. In grad school also had conservative profs, including a
>friend
> of Henry Kissinger's. In general, I think academics tend to be more liberal than
>many
> other segments of society, but usually self-critical, and certainly the kind of
> categorizing people are doing in this thread is based on myth, not knowledge of the
> real world.
This frog doesn't know that the water is almost boiling.
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V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:38:01 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Roberto Alsina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 23 Apr 2001 12:50:16 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:48:22 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>>
>>> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >"Roberto Alsina"
>>> >
>>> >> I personally believe any killing not in self defense, including
>>> >> killing at war, should be considered murder.
>>> >
>>> >You need to mature and understand that truth and reality aren't what you
>>> >"personally believe".
>>>
>>> I understand what the situation currently is.
>>> However, that doesn´t mean I think that situation is perfect,
>>> or even very good.
>>>
>>> Sadly, we have been, as a society, convinced by the men with
>>> guns that they have a right to kill.
>>
>>My house has over half a dozen guns, and ammunition for each,
>>and I haven't been convinced that I have any "right to kill"
>
>Why do you have lethal weapons?
>If the answer is "to defend myself", who would you be defending
>yourself against?
Well, for starters, the sad gits who seem to think that
what's his is theirs and are willing to pry open a window,
jimmy a door, or otherwise gain entry without his consent....
This doesn't mean he has to shoot them, of course. Brandishing
a firearm will probably frighten them off; if it doesn't of course,
then he can pull the trigger. (One hopes said cowardly would-be
burglar has a brain slightly bigger than the size of a turnip, thinks
about it, and flees. On the other hand, there's enough dumb
criminals out there that there are websites and TV shows dedicated
to their less-than-stellar intellectual pursuits.)
Ideally, of course, said criminal would not be one. Ideally,
Aaron would be a millionaire, owning a mansion and a yacht.
(Ideally, *I* would be a millionaire, owning...) Ideally,
world peace would break out all over, there would be no
power problems (of any sort), and everyone would live
happily ever after.
But this ain't an ideal world.
>
>--
>Roberto Alsina
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:42:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Roberto Alsina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 24 Apr 2001 22:27:50 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On 24 Apr 2001 22:25:43 GMT, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>:>> If the answer is "to defend myself", who would you be defending
>>:>> yourself against?
>>:>
>>:>Violent, law-breaking criminals.
>>
>>: For example, if someone was robbing your TV. The guy is there, going
>>: off the window, with your TV in his hands. Would you shoot him?
>>
>>
>>In most places and in most situations, U.S. Citizens are authorized
>>by law to use deadly force to stop a felony in progress and/or
>>apprehend the felon,
>
>Just a quibble: it's hard to apprehend the felon after he's dead ;-)
Not really; one just scoops up the remains into a body bag,
handcuffs it, and hauls it off to the morgue....
:-)
(Mind you, not much call for a trial or imprisonment at that point.)
Of course, at times there might be the issue that there are no
remains; that's when the forensic types look for clues such as
fibers, traces of blood, inconsistent witness statements, tire tracks,
bits of dirt/shirt/hair/foam, etc.
>
>> if that felony was committed in their presence.
>>Thus, it is very possible that Aaron or anyone else would have the
>>right to shoot him at least according to law.
>>
>>However, as for myself, I would not purposely kill or permanently harm
>>someone who did not pose an immediate threat to my life or anyone
>>else's. I would use, at most, only the amount of force necessary to
>>stop the felony and apprehend the felon.
>
>That's the idea! Congratulations.
Seconded.
>
>--
>Roberto Alsina
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From: "Boris Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:57:08 -0700
> > If there is an exception in MSXML.DLL, Server package process will
crash
> > and ASP will get an error code.
> > Server package process will be restarted by COM+.
>
> What does it take to make that happen? Apache is pretty straightforward,
> but have never found any documentation for IIS that makes any sense.
If you subscribe to MSDN library edition ( ~$100 per year) you'll get all
the docs you need (manuals for resource kits and sdks). Maybe Technet
subscription will be better for you: it's geared towards sysadmins/IS
managers.
Boris
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From: "Edward Hsu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:00:45 -0700
"Jan Vorbrueggen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Phlip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >> The internet, in a short time, has proven to be one of the best
> > >> ways to communicate information ever developed in history. Was
> > >> this why the guys at CERN developed it to begin with.
> > CERN invented the Internet?? A short time ago???
> Well, Tim Berners-Lee, working at CERN, invented HTML and what is now
called
> WWW. So it depends what the word "internet" means to you. For most of its
> users, I would consider the statement to be at least two-thirds true.
Actually, Berners-Lee created HTML by simplifying an old draft of the SGML
standard and then added a hyperlink feature (the famous <A HREF="">
element). In turn, he was drawing upon SGML, which was officially released
by ISO in 1986. SGML came out of Generalized Markup Language, which was
created in the late 1970s at IBM by a team led by Dr. Charles Goldfarb (who
is still active and working on XML nowadays). Markup languages as a whole
originated when the people operating the early imagesetters at publishing
houses realized they needed a concise way to tell the computer how to format
a given line of text---remember, this was the early 1970s and WYSIWYG was
still a fantasy.
As for hypertext, it goes as far back as Vannevar Bush's 1945 essay, "As We
May Think." W. Boyd Rayward has argued that some of Bush's ideas were
anticipated in the 1920s by the Belgian lawyer Paul Otlet, but as far as
most people are concerned, Otlet is irrelevant because his work was a dead
end and didn't influence Bush directly. Bush then influenced Douglas
Engelbart and Ted Nelson. Engelbart cited Bush in his famous 1962 paper,
"Augmenting Human Intellect: A Conceptual Framework," while Nelson cited
Bush in his famous 1965 paper, "A File Structure for the Complex, the
Changing and the Indeterminate."
Engelbart created the first working system with hyperlinks (but some would
argue that it's not a true hypertext system) in the form of NLS around
1964-68. Nelson articulated the notion of a grand unified vision of
hypertext (the "docuverse") in his writings on his Xanadu project. Although
Xanadu was never completed, it was highly influential.
Anyway, so what Tim Berners-Lee did is, he created a hypertext system that
was easy-to-use (unlike NLS), could scale to a global level using the
Internet as its infrastructure, and used human-readable SGML markup as the
basis of its standard format. Like Xanadu, it was flat in the sense that all
Web nodes are of equal status, at least as far as the user agent is
concerned. This is significant because most hypertext systems prior to the
Web had very strict hierarchies built in.
There was actually a competing format called HyperODA which ISO was pushing
in the early 1990s, but it never achieved much momentum. Part of why it
failed was that ISO insisted that ODA (Open Document Architecture) had to be
implemented at the syntactic level in ASN.1, a binary notation which is
notoriously hard to read. It is hilarious for me to read these papers in
which some German scientists are sneering at the "mere syntactical details"
of the SGML approach, not realizing that syntax would be the key to the
Web's success.
Meanwhile, of course, the development of the Internet had begun in the late
1960s and proceeded rapidly. Ironically, Engelbart was receiving ARPA
funding and his SRI lab was one of the first Internet nodes, and it was
possible for people to use NLS over the Internet and some of the high-end
commercial networks well into the 1980s. So why didn't NLS become the Web?
Because the required workstation equipment cost over $20,000, mice weren't
standard equipment until Windows 3.0 came out in 1990, average modem speeds
were under 2400 bps until 1990, and once you got all the equipment working,
NLS was notoriously difficult to use. It required users to memorize tons of
commands and wrestle with a totally modal interface, as opposed to the
mainly modeless interfaces we are all familiar with today. Engelbart has
never recognized the value of ease-of-use---a couple of years ago, he was
mocking the current graphical user interface as comparable to
"grunting-and-pointing" while a civilized interface should let you ask for
what you want. Basically, he sees a learning curve as inherent in any
technology, and if the learning curve is too steep for YOU, that's YOUR
problem. Finally, NLS was targeted at small workgroups, not millions and
millions of people.
It's amusing to see how Engelbart's stubbornness allowed Bob Taylor at Xerox
PARC to raid his lab for his best people, like William English, and then
Bill Atkinson and Steve Jobs went and raided Xerox PARC for ideas, and they
created the first truly easy-to-use computer, the Macintosh. Which then was
superseded by Windows. I have this feeling that if Engelbart had been a bit
more flexible on user interface issues, perhaps he might be the father of
the Web today rather than Tim Berners-Lee.
Anyway, at least Engelbart has the pleasure of knowing that in his famous
1968 demo at the Fall Joint Computer Conference in San Francisco, he
pioneered technologies which would not become common in the workplace for at
least another 30 years. I understand that he got a standing ovation back
then; every time the video of the 1968 demo is shown in introductory
computer science classes, the students give it a standing ovation; and in
1998, at a symposium held in his honor at Stanford University, he got a
standing ovation.
The reason I am rambling on and on about this is because I am writing my
senior thesis for my bachelor's in history on the history of hypertext right
now. So I am taking this wonderful opportunity to briefly summarize my
current understanding of my source materials (about 1,400 photocopies in 8
thick binders, representing over 100 different items from 15 different
libraries). It's 1 in the morning here on the West Coast, so I apologize if
my sentences are running together.
One more thing: The first time hypertext entered the public consciousness
was fall 1987, when Apple released HyperCard. Unlike the Web, which the
media took over four years to discover, HyperCard was big news from the
beginning. The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post,
and just about every other big paper had an article about it in the business
or computing section. Some newspapers like the Guardian (a British paper)
even interviewed Bill Atkinson. Also, that fall, ACM held the first
hypertext conference at Chapel Hill, NC, which led to the creation of ACM
SIGLINK (now SIGWEB) and the publishing of dozens of books and articles on
hypertext. Of course, HyperCard had many problems, such as the fact that it
wasn't a real hypertext system because you couldn't link from text to text
items, you could only link from buttons to cards, and the fact it ran only
on the Macintosh, and so by 1991 its mass appeal was already fading. Plus
HyperCard had major limitations and its market was being fragmented by
superior competitors like SuperCard, Hyperties, Guide, and so on.
Then the media caught onto the "information superhighway," in 1993, and then
they realized that the info highway was already here in the form of the
Internet in 1994, and then they discovered the Web in early 1995, and then
Netscape had their spectacular IPO in August 1995 and that's when the
dot-com boom started. 420 IPOs in five years. Lots of venture capital wasted
on bad business plans. So that brings us back to the present.
Anyway, I hope this helps clear up any questions you guys have.
======================================================================
Edward Hsu
University of California, Berkeley
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://thibs.menloschool.org/~hsu123/
"Enough bunkers! Enough of the perfection of differences! We ought to
be building bridges."
-- Todd Gitlin, The Twilight of Common Dreams, 1995.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft sent their customers a virus
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:56:25 +1200
That is quite interesting considering Microsoft being a so-called "trust
worthy source of updates", now this comes out. So the user is now faced
with two problems, either update and face the risk of a virus, or take
their chances and not upgrade, and risk being hacked or have the
reliability of their server/workstation compromised.
Matthew Gardiner
Jeff Silverman wrote:
> The following is an excerpt from a message from SANS (Vol 3 Num. 17) and I
> would assume it is trustworthy:
>
>
>> Security Alert for Microsoft's Premier Support Customers Microsoft
>> Premier Support customers were notified on Monday night that several
>> Microsoft Hotfixes downloaded from the Premier Support and Gold
>> Certified Partner web sites (between April 6 and 20)were infected with
>> the Fun Love virus. We do not yet know whether other Microsoft Hotfix
>> download sites were also affected. It makes sense to have your virus
>> detection software current.
>>
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Two articles from the register
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:29:32 +1200
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "David Dorward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c7kv3$b4s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Microsoft security fixes infected with FunLove virus
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18516.html
>
> Well, you know.. No Unix patches have ever been compromised by hostile
> code.
>
> Oh, wait...
>
> http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-01.html
Of course, you probably have never used Solaris before, or IRIX, or
UnixWare, hence, you don't know what you are talking about Eric Fuckenbusch.
Oh, and regards to the TCP rappers, it wasn't a security hole, it was a
modified, un-official released of TCP rappers, hence, the reason why the
signatures didn't match, most proper administrators would have checked the
signature against the official one. Also, I must stress that both the
cert ftp site and main ftp site have not been effected by this act of
sabotage. Had these admins downloaded off the official site, they wouldn't
be in the shit. Also stating articles close to 2 years old is not a valid
arguement either.
>
>> WIN2K is even easier to deface than NT
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18515.html
>
> The Register isn't known for the accuracy of its headlines. In this case,
> the article clearly says that NT had 50+% of the defacements while Win2k
> only had 10%. How is that "easer to deface than NT"?
>
> Answer: It's not, but the register likes to generate controversial
> headlines.
>
>> Two more reasons to use linux.
>
> Yeah, like this:
>
> http://www.itworld.com/Sec/3832/CWD010409STO59400/
What a co-incidence, I don't run Redhat, so I'm not effected but that
security lapse. Like most good users, I have all my software upto date,
hence, I have not security concerns.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Exploit devastates WinNT/2K security
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:00:44 +0200
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bob Hauck"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:43:26 +0200, Mart van de Wege
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bob Hauck"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > NFS is not really suitable for the kind of peer-to-peer file sharing
>> > that MS wanted to do. If you have root on your own machine, you can
>> > easily read all the other files off the NFS server.
>
>> I hate to be the newbie to correct you (yuo're obviously more
>> experienced with UNIX than me), but isn't that what the 'rootsquash'
>> option is for?
>
> Yes, but that doesn't provide any actual security. If you are root on a
> client, you can simply "su" to any user and mess with their files. Most
> NFS installations helpfully put all the user info into NIS for you as
> well. But if not you can simply create the appropriate user accounts,
> as the NFS server trusts the UID the client gives it. It was designed
> for environments where the users do not admin their own machines.
>
> Kerberos and newer versions of NFS/NIS provide a solution to this, but
> they weren't around when SMB was thought up. Anyway, they are a lot
> more work to set up than MS Networking was and took a lot more memory
> than PC's had at the time.
>
Ah ok,
Thanks Bob! I was planning on setting up a nice little 3 machine home
LAN, and I was wondering how I was going to solve exactly this. My
flatmate isn't very computer savvy (understatement), so I'd hate to give
her the root password to her machine if that means that she'd have root
access to the server. She wouldn't *want* that, but hey! stranger
accidents have happened.
Mart
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:09:01 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Yeah, no crap.
>>
>> *** NEWS FLASH ***
>>
>> Writing code that works only on 64-bit platforms may crash on 32-bit
>> platforms!
>>
>> *** NEWS FLASH ***
>>
>> -c
>
> Do you try to spout the most pointless crap possible, or is it just
> natural?
ROFL!
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