Linux-Advocacy Digest #419, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 09:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows NT: lost in space? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Linux in college & high school (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature" (JamesW)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Macman)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
The Economist and Open-Source (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Linux has one chance left......... ("~¿~")
Re: Linux in college & high school (Robert W. Curry)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature" ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) ("Ayende
Rahien")
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows NT: lost in space?
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:18:48 +1200
> Travel to Russia, and the percentage of drunk Russians is higher than
> among those who successfully emigrate away from Russia.
>
> It's funny...people will get a military water-tank trailer and make
> kvas (a beer-like substance made by fermenting black bread), and
> just sell it directly out of the trailer-tank. When I first saw
> a photo of this in a book, I thought it was a joke photo....but
> when I was in St. Petersburg, I saw it first hand.
>
> Drunkenness in Russia is on the decline, however. One reason is that
> the police are really cracking down on Public Intoxication...and
> getting picked up for P.I. in Russia is something you don't want.
> The police will take all of your money ("No, no, you had no money
> when we found you...you must have given it away...you were just too
> drunk to remember any of it), and then put you in a cold dank cell
> and hose you down with a cold water ("Oh, you started throwing up
> and making a mess of yourself and an awful smell in your cell").
>
or it could be their negotiation skills, shoot first, ask questions
later.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:24:01 +1200
Christopher Corbell wrote:
>
> I'm looking for leads to information, statistics, or just
> individual testimonials about the use of Linux in educational
> settings, particularly in high school, community college,
> university, and grad school settings. Does anyone out there
> know of any general sources of information on the use of
> Linux in these settings? I would especially be interested
> in the use of Linux in math & science education. Also, I'd
> like to know about any advocacy groups, PC 'salvage' groups
> or similar organizations that are active in getting Linux
> used in schools.
>
> Thanks for any info.
> - Christopher
Massey University in Wellington uses Digital UNIX for their servers
running Samba. This is used as their main server OS, along with squid
for proxy services.
Central Institute of Technology (now known as Welltec). Debian UNIX,
used in UNIX OS module.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:36:10 +1200
Mig wrote:
>
> Mikkel Elmholdt wrote:
>
> >> Actually, funkybreath, if youd been paying attention at all, you would
> >> realize that I always thought that caldera was full of lazy corporate
> >> fatcats, as is mandrake, redhat, and a handful of other distribution
> > houses.
> >
> > Excuse me for asking, but are there actually any commercial Linux-based
> > companies (distros or other business) that you approve of?
>
> I think he uses the FreeBSD 4.2 version of Linux so its he's prefered
> distro :-)
> A good guess would be Slackware and Debian or some ot the small weird
> distros - it looks like the rebel wann-be-geeks prefer small unknown
> distros at the moment.
>
>
Just looked behind the code then, you're right, it is freebsd 4.2
stable.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: JamesW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature"
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:37:16 +0100
In article <bwzK6.166$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Not true. For instance, a one-time pad is considered weak, but is still
> theoretically unbreakable, no matter how much data you have.
A one time pad is only weak because if you have a copy of the pad
decryption is trivial. In effect you have a trivial algorithm - XOR - but
a key which consists of random data that is as long as the message
itself. The weakness is keeping the key secret. Your original argument
was the algorithm AND the key could be trivial if both were kept secret -
this is patently untrue.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:40:28 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Then again even Linux has the GPL but apparentely communism is
> prefered over capitalism with that bunch...
Personally, I don't care much whether the person who restricts my
freedom does so because he wants to be rich or because he wants to
further his career in the Party.
I don't understand why anybody thinks labelling something "communism"
makes for good argumentation - I thought that went out of fashion in
the sixties.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:44:33 +1200
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> > That certainly explains why Apache and Linux continue to gain market
> > share while W2K and IIS continue to lose it. :)
>
> Bite your tongue! It's because people hate poor Bill Gates and his poor
> little company that everyone seems to push around. Dammit, why oh why
> do people possess such hatred of MS?
>
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I'm just sitting back and letting the market place have its way with
Microsoft.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:44:28 GMT
In article
<SpxK6.14860$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Sure, switching to the PPC was a good thing, but
> > > they were very careful not to change the software
> > > while doing it. Not any more than they had to.
> >
> > But developers had to rewrite their apps. At least as big a rewrite as
> > Mac OS 9 API to Carbon.
>
> Not even remotely. What they had to do was replace
> procedure pointers with OS-provided constructs
> called "universal procedure pointers". It was a small
> change in a few places, no big deal.
>
> Everything remained as it was. You could still
> manipulate the insides of OS datastructures just
> as before, for instance.
>
> Carbon is a *much* bigger change. It is so even
> if you avoid the optional bits like the Carbon
> event manager.
That's ridiculous. Apple showed many examples of companies who were able
to Carbonize their apps in a matter of hours or days. PPC was a complete
rewrite for many.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:47:40 +1200
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> > > Is there really any doubt that W2K rox the house?
> >
> > Yes, because unix systems stay up longer. Remember the "awesome" MTTF
> > that Windows 2000 exhibits? LOL.
>
> Yes, I do. And W2K stays up every bit as long as unix systems.I know you
> won't admit it or can't imagine it but that's your problem not ours.
Why does Microsoft rely so heavily on clustering technology? when you
can get a big iron like a SunFire w/ 16 x Sparc III CPUS, or an z900
mainframe that can stay up for years, requiring little or no
maintainance. I would be quite interested in a Windows 2000 Server vs.
SUN Sunfire midframe, without clustering technology, and see the uptimes
of them.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:57:44 -0400
"Paul Colquhoun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 11 May 2001 01:07:57 -0400, JS PL <hieverybody!> wrote:
> |
> |"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> |
> |> Suddenly we need to qualify what is "possible" and what is not? Way to
> |> go metaphysical, dude. Go look up the word "unfalsifiable" in a really
> |> big dictionary, OK?
> |
> |No such word (go figure) it looks like it's just another word you made
up.
> |But then it gave me a huge list of suggestions begining in "un". I
clicked
> |on "unbalanced" and there was a picture of you. tee hee..
>
>
> http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~earl/phil1400/falsificgroupsSp00.html
Too bad that's not the word in question.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The Economist and Open-Source
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:58:35 +1200
http://economist.com/business/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=620445
Quite an interesting discussion on the Microsoft FUD campaign.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:16:19 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001
> Anyway, I'm not sure if MSConfig shows both stuff in the startup folder,
> and in the registry's Run... keys. If not, the other must be checked
> manually.
It check them both.
> If so, there are still other ways this can be executed. And
> new versions of DLLs replaced by software installations can still cause
> system degradation, even if the program isn't executed, because of
> changes to existing program functions. Programs can also automate a
> launch in other ways, though.
I've not encounter a DLL Hell problem in about three years, maybe more.
> It is, of course, ALWAYS possible to remove this extraneous stuff. The
> question is how sure and simple a procedure it is, and it is obvious
> that, despite your desire to handwave the problem using MSConfig, it is
> NEVER a sure or a simple thing to do so in Windows. Any Windows. (And
> the variations in what will and will not or may or may not be necessary
> to be reasonably sure and reasonably simple varies WILDLY between
> versions, of course.)
Nope.
It's quite easy, and usually knowledge is easy to transfer between NT & 9x.
> >BTW, copying MSConfig to NT will work just find, you just need to ignore
all
> >the error messages is spew when it start.
>
> Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha. Small surprise. Monopoly crapware at its finest.
It tries to check for files that doesn't exist on NT, T. Max.
Of *course* it would spew error mesages.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:18:07 +0200
"Greg Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:MPG.15654c153a31f262989699@news...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Said Greg Cox in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 09 May 2001 21:50:31
> <snip>
> > >Max, you really have to stretch to maintain your "Microsoft and all of
> > >its works are evil and the worst products anyone has ever produced"
> > >attitude.
> >
> > I have no such attitude, despite my rhetoric. If I did, would I be
> > using Microsoft products? ;-D
>
> Um, you've stated many times that you're forced to use Microsoft
> products and that's why you haven't switched to the OS that you spend so
> much of your life promoting.
Yes, indeed, *how* are you forced to use MS products, T. Max.
No monopoly may appear in the reply, btw.
I want to hear *reasons* not rethorics.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:19:40 +0200
"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> > Use Linux if you don't like the licensing deals other software offer.
> > Then again even Linux has the GPL but apparentely communism is prefered
> > over capitalism with that bunch...
> >
>
> You *are* an asshole, Jan.
> Keep politics out of here.
> I know a lot of people who use linux. *None* of them, myself included,
> is a communist or likes those ideas.
Then you don't know much about communism.
The GPL is very much in the spirit of the communism, or maybe socialism is a
better word for it.
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:19:27 -0400
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS PL wrote:
> >
> > "Judge Jackson's ruling will divert innovative companies from creating
> > better products. Worse, it will send the message to innovators around
the
> > world that in America we punish success. It is this ruling, not
Microsoft,
> > that is damaging to consumers, as it would deny consumers new products,
> > better accessibility and lower prices. I'm confident the appeals court
will
> > reject Judge Jackson's notion that any one man can foresee how this
world of
> > possibility should unfold."
> > US Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX)
>
> micro$oft has NEVER competed fairly. They are a success only becasue of
> unfair, anti-competitve and predatory actions. Hopefully the Appeals
> Court will see that and send the case to a lower court for tougher
> penalties.
Yeah - that's going to happen....start holding your breath about that one.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:19:20 +1200
> More interesting is this result:
> http://www.spec.org/osg/web99/results/res2001q2/web99-20010412-00108.html
>
> 4 more proccessors.
> 12 more GB of RAM.
>
> Solaris + iPlanet
>
> And it only toped Win2K by about 9% and linux by roughly 16% !!!
>
> Not very impressive for Solaris & iPlanet, I would say.
>
> Especially since Solaris is geared toward this high end situations.
Thats what I call a big Iron. Not these poofter, namby pamby NT
clusters. UNIX, "built like a brick shit house" servers definately are
showing their true colours when compared to NT. Add on Veritas
Journalling file system for good measure, and you would have mission
critical server will all the redundancy under the SUN (no pun intended).
Interesting that Work and Income New Zealand went for a UNISYS
mainframe, I wonder why Jan they didn't go for a woofter NT server?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "~¿~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:24:26 GMT
"Terry Porter" wrote:
> Well I try to, tho my Wife who is doing an english literature degree,
> tells me I should always name references at the end of the articles I
> write!
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From: Robert W. Curry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:27:59 -0400
Christopher Corbell wrote:
> I'm looking for leads to information, statistics, or just
> individual testimonials about the use of Linux in educational
> settings, particularly in high school, community college,
> university, and grad school settings. Does anyone out there
> know of any general sources of information on the use of
> Linux in these settings? I would especially be interested
> in the use of Linux in math & science education. Also, I'd
> like to know about any advocacy groups, PC 'salvage' groups
> or similar organizations that are active in getting Linux
> used in schools.
>
> Thanks for any info.
> - Christopher
>
You might check out the Simple End User Linux group at:
http://www.seul.org
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:31:02 +1200
mlw wrote:
>
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> [snipped]
>
> Actually, it really good to see that stuff. I'll tell you why. RedHat 6.2 does
> not have the 2.4 kernel, it has 2.2. Some major SMP performance improvements
> were done in 2.4.
True, there were a number of bench marks 2.2 vs. 2.4 to prove that. It
would be nice to see UNISYS help get Linux to scale up to 32 CPU's and
give MS Datacentre a run for it's money.
>
> So, if the best and newest that Microsoft can produce, Win2000 Datacenter and
> IIS 5, is only 16% faster than a pervious distro version, and the older 2.2
> linux kernel without SMP improvements, that's cool. That means the 2.4 kernel
> will kick its' butt with no problems.
>
> So, Pay for MS Win2000 Datacenter, or get a Linux 2.4 distro for free. Hmm,
> which should I choose?
You want Datacentre? sorry, can't buy it retail, you have to buy a new
server, configured to Microsoft's specifications, and hardware
"approved" by Microsoft. So far Compaq and a few others have made the
tragic leap into the Microsoft DC camp. Compaq has an awesome processor
they obtained from Digital when they purchased it a couple of years
ago. What I would like to see is a 128 Alpha CPU based datacentre
running Digital UNIX and Oracle, that would give Microsoft a serious run
for their money. The problem is that Compaq can't market to save
themselves, and hides Alpha based machines at the back of there website
as if they are ashamed that they have beaten Microsoft.
>
> Then there is "uptime" lol. What's the MTTF for Win2000? I keep forgetting,
> something like 180 days? So pay lots of money, get an operating system that is
> at best unreliable, or get equivalent performance and high reliability with
> Linux and/or FreeBSD for free.
>
180 days? what a joke, I expect 900z like uptimes of 35 years, not this
poofter 180 days or so.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature"
Date: 11 May 2001 20:31:53 +0800
>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> This is incorrect. A true one-time-pad would be generated by
>> reading a naturally random source of noise that an attacker
>> would have great difficulty introducing patterns into. A good
>> example would be the timing between decays in a sample of a
>> radioactive isotope.
Erik> Which is something an average person can get access to, how?
Linux has a /dev/random as a source of true random bits. It's been
there for a few years. To generate random bits is simply reading from
this char device. I often do that in shell scripts with 'dd' piped to
'od'. How hard is that?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:28:15 +0200
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Note: you arent making any sense.
> > > >
> > > > Okay, let me put it this way, without MacOS9, MacOSX need only 64MB.
> > > > With MacOS9, it need twice that much.
> > > > That is a terrible thing to do for backward compatability.
> > > > That is loading another freaking OS, beside the one you already had.
> > >
> > > DUH.
> >
> > It's bloody inefficent!
> >
>
> So, write abetter one.
*I*'m not the one responsible for Macs backward compatiblity.
If I was, you can be sure that I would've tried a better way.
> > > > Now the OSX doesn't do quite the same thing as VMWare, but it's
close.
> > >
> > > Actually Classis should run better than VMware. There is now "virtual
> > > machine".
> >
> > Okay, then let's take a new example.
> > Running Unix on VMWare from Windows or running Cgywin or Services for
UNIX
> > is a better example.
> >
>
> You mean running a complete second OS under the first? Isnt that
> -"bloody inefficent!" ? Especially if you have to laod -another-
> application to do it?
No, VMWare is my example of loading another OS. What Mac OSX does.
Cgywin or Services for UNIX provides a *copatability layer*, this mean that
you don't have another fscking OS beside the one that you already have.
> > > > They should've done something like Linux does with WINE & DOSEMU and
NT
> > > Why not? It works. Well.
> >
> > Horribly inefficent!
> > Would you accept a car that double its mile/galon ratio if you have two
> > passangers in it?
> >
>
> ... and VMWare is different how?
It isn't, it's my parallel example to what Mac OSX does with OS9.
> > > > It *is* however, the easiest way, I guess.
> > > > And in computers, as in life, the easiest way is rarely the optimal
way.
> > >
> > > You are so so smart... you do it.
> >
> > I never programmed for the Mac, and *they* are the one with the inside
> > knowledge.
>
> and they did a pretty good job. BTW, you DO know OS 9 is going away,
> right?
Yeah, *right*!
Backward compatability goes away *slowly*, Rick.
The minimum that Apple can make it go away is three years, and that is if
they try *hard*.
And even then, we are talking about general trend in *new* applications
being developped.
What Apple need to do is to discourage any further development on OS9, and
porting everything to OSX.
It's bloody hard to do something like this. And users would *still* want to
use old applications.
I did some work for an accountant that used an 8 years old DOS program to
manage the accounts. He plans to keep using this program more or less
forever, there are plenty of people like him.
You won't see OS9 compatability going away any time soon.
Check for other OS major upgrades for examples.
Dos -> Windows9x is a good example.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:32:11 +0200
"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9dgeto$5kv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :>
> :>
> :> Jan Johanson wrote:
> :>
> :> > Is there really any doubt that W2K rox the house?
> :>
> :> Yes, because unix systems stay up longer. Remember the "awesome" MTTF
> :> that Windows 2000 exhibits? LOL.
>
> : Yes, I do. And W2K stays up every bit as long as unix systems.I know you
> : won't admit it or can't imagine it but that's your problem not ours.
>
>
> Linux and UNIX systems are capable of uptimes considerably longer than
> the total time W2K has existed.
Win2K is capable of that too, what is your point?
Show me hte 2.4 Linux with two years uptime, please.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:33:46 +0200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> > "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > Jan Johanson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there really any doubt that W2K rox the house?
> > >
> > > Yes, because unix systems stay up longer. Remember the "awesome" MTTF
> > > that Windows 2000 exhibits? LOL.
> >
> > Yes, I do. And W2K stays up every bit as long as unix systems.I know you
> > won't admit it or can't imagine it but that's your problem not ours.
> Why does Microsoft rely so heavily on clustering technology? when you
> can get a big iron like a SunFire w/ 16 x Sparc III CPUS, or an z900
> mainframe that can stay up for years, requiring little or no
> maintainance. I would be quite interested in a Windows 2000 Server vs.
> SUN Sunfire midframe, without clustering technology, and see the uptimes
> of them.
Can't speak of uptime, because it's usually to expensive (and long) to
benchmark those.
But according to TCP.ORG, in the unclustered category, Win2K win on
price/performance.
On unclustered/clustered category, Win2K wins *both* price/performance &
performance.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:36:20 +0200
"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GreyCloud wrote:
> > I nominate Jan Johansen the Darwin Award of the Year!
> > Any Seconds???!!!!
> >
> Yep, seconded.
> Sometimes nature does the darnedes things, like cows with 2 heads,
> Jan Johanson´s, Chad Myers.
> I wonder what these are good for?
Can't do that, he need to do something to threaten his life in a very stupid
way to be nominated.
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