Linux-Advocacy Digest #18, Volume #33 Thu, 22 Mar 01 19:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: the mismeasure of scale ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? (Chad Everett)
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux + PostgreSQL + Apache + JDBC + Tomcat JSP / Servlets: Ready for prime
time? ("Flacco")
Re: Too expensive, too invasive (was: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it) (Jim Dandie)
Re: What Linux MUST DO! - Comments anyone? (Eugenio Mastroviti)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:30:01 -0500
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:16:52 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Chad Everett wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:50:37 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Chad Everett wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:54:01 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >"Public " wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:24:18 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Any college worth attending has taught unix for over a DECADE.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >> >> >> >Unix Masturbator
> >> >> >> >ICQ # 3056642
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> bzzzzz! Wrong again General. You've already told us that you haven't been
> >> >> >> educated since 1988 so I am not sure how exactly you're supposed to know
> >> >> >> this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Considering that the Unix family of operating systems is the most advanced,
> >> >> >flexible, operating system, with an extremely good performance/price ratio
> >> >> >on nearly any combination of hardware manufactured after 1970...for an
> >> >> >institution of higher learning to neglect is...educational malpractice.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Most "college's worth attending" don't "teach UNIX". They'll teach
> >> >> fundamentals like mutual exclusion, process and threads management,
> >> >> memory managment, file systems, network theory, algorithms,
> >> >> software engineering, etc., etc. They'll certainly use Unix and
> >> >> Linux systems, but they won't "teach Unix" per se.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Or would you call it an effective teaching strategy to give a programming
> >> >assignment to be written on a Unix platform, mandating the use of, say,
> >> >dynamic memory allocation without introducing the malloc() function....
> >> >
> >>
> >> malloc() is part of the standard C library and is independent of UNIX.
> >>
> >> If I was giving a programming assignment, mandating the use of
> >> dynamic memory allocation to a university class, I would have them
> >> write their own dynamic memory allocator and tell them they were not
> >> allowed to use malloc.
> >
> >Thanks for making my point. Without the use of malloc(), the student
> >has to interact with the raw operating system.
> >
> >
> >
> >> It would be a good exercise on how to implement
> >> memory managers. I've had just such assignments. A well designed
> >> assignment would not mandate that it be written on a particular OS
> >> platform at all. The assignment might limit you to certain platforms,
> >> but that's different.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >There might not be classes specifically devoted TO Unix...but any
> >> >college worth attending is going to have a at minimum, a significant
> >> >portion of programming assignments on Unix systems.
> >>
> >> Yeah....that's what I said.
> >>
> >> > If you don't
> >> >teach the students at least the rudiments of the system which you
> >> >are telling them to use, then there is something very, very wrong
> >> >with *you*.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Not true at all. If you're teaching an Object-Oriented design
> >> class and the assignments involve writing object-oriented programs,
> >> you don't spend time teaching a particular language. If you're
> >
> >And they do their programming assignments how...in pencil and paper
> >in pseudo-code?
> >
> >
> >> in a CS program, you don't spend time "teaching UNIX"...they're
> >> expected to learn UNIX on their own time. If you're teaching
> >> an operating systems class, you don't spend time teaching
> >> systems administration.
> >
> >So, you just dump your incoming freshmen onto an account and
> >say, 'Go program, boy'
> >
> >IF the students don't get at least introductory material about
> >the operating system in class, then it is necessary to hold
> >short (possible non-credit courses) on campus for new users
> >so that they can gain the knowledge required to do such things
> >as what is the name of the compiler?
> >
>
> You are changing the discussion. We were dicussing how colleges
> and universities don't "teach UNIX". Telling students how to
> compile a program is not "teaching UNIX". Maybe we're arguing
> over semantics? What exactly do you mean by "teach UNIX"?
If you teach a student how to use the editor, so that he can do his
first, freshman level programming assignment, then you are teaching
about Unix. IF you teach him where the compiler's support files
are..you are teaching him unix.
Every class will cover a slightly different aspect...but by the
time he is done, he will have covered the O/S inside and out.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: the mismeasure of scale
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:31:30 -0500
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:11:40 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Every place I've worked, Windows and Unix users have had ZERO
> >say over what platform is on their desk.
> >
>
> Every place I've worked, the platform that sits on my desk was
> part of the negotiations and discussions about the position.
you're an admin or other high-end professional.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:37:14 -0500
green wrote:
>
> provided it's not hardware related as well.
>
the failure of any single I/O device will NOT lock up a Unix system.
the process which is waiting on the I/O will get booted off the CPU
by the process scheduler as it's timeslice runs out, and, since it
never DOES get the I/O...will never awaken to be put back on the CPU.
Therefore, a failed I/O device will NOT crash a Linux kernal
(exception...un-mirrored disk with swap space on it).
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > green wrote:
> > >
> > > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:X7gu6.40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > What crashes, haven't a had a BSOD in months and the last one was
> > > because
> > > > > of a bad floppy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > JESUS CHRIST MAN!
> > > >
> > > > Listen to what you just said!
> > >
> > > Iv'e had linux do the same. witha cd and a floppy. just not the BSOD
> part.
> > > just a lock up.
> >
> >
> > Bzzzzt! wrong.
> >
> > The design of the Unix/Linux family of kernals (specifically, the process
> scheduler)
> > prevents that from happening.
> >
> > >
> > > thake floppy out after lock and it don't even care.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > A *BAD FLOPPY* crashed your system.
> > > >
> > > > Now I'm not sure whether you meant to say a bad floppy disk or a bad
> > > floppy
> > > > drive, but:
> > > >
> > > > (a) Bad floppy.
> > > >
> > > > No operating system should fail due to bad media, unless that bad
> media
> > > > happens to hold critical OS data. What if someone sent you an upgrade
> > > disk
> > > > that got messed up in the mail... would you expect your server to
> crash
> > > > simply because it couldn't read a floppy disk?
> > > >
> > > > (b) Bad drive.
> > > >
> > > > Unless there's something seriously wrong with the hardware that can't
> be
> > > > detected without locking up the machine, the OS should never die due
> to a
> > > > lost floppy drive either. If 2k is smart enough to stop using the
> network
> > > > card when it's unplugged, why shouldn't it be able to disable access
> to
> > > the
> > > > floppy drive?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Whats you definition of a working computer?
> > > >
> > > > One that stays up until there's a 'MAJOR PROBLEM'. I'd also venture:
> one
> > > > that can continue to operate during a problem, for the purpose of
> fixing
> > > the
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > No OS is magic and able to handle all known hardware problems, but
> holy
> > > > shit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:38:17 -0500
John Fereira wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >John Fereira wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Said Shades in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:48:36 -0500;
> >> >> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> Shades wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > You obviously haven't worked on any HP, Sun, or SGI machines with
> >> >> >> > > version 1990 or later versions of Unix.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The learning curve for these systems is SHALLOWER than windows.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Well then I suppose Sun/HP and SGI are going to be winning the
> > desktop
> >> >> >> > anyday? Hmm?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In the same way that the gasoline engine ripped the guts out of
> >> >> >> steam-powered automobile manufacturers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Hmm... too bad Sun/HP and CERTAINLY SGI doesn't have the business acumen
> > to
> >> >> >make it happen. Otherwise I would agree with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! And what large manufacturer of technology do *you*
> >> >> run, Mr. "Business Accumen"?
> >> >
> >> >Well, he's been running his asshole more or less successfully for
> >> >a couple of years now.
> >>
> >> As opposed to yours, which seem to have been stopped up for a couple a years,
> >> and it's pretty easy to figure out what that makes you full of.
> >>
> >
> >Spot the pissed off soc.singles fossil who's upset that his little
> >fiefdom of Politically Correct-shrouded hate has been....invaded,
> >pillaged, and burned to the ground.
>
> Pissed off? No, not in the least. Ask anyone that reads both of us
> which one of us sounds like he's angry.
>
You're the one who resents the dissolution of the hive, not me.
> John Fereira
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:37:57 GMT
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:30:01 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Everett wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:16:52 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Chad Everett wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:50:37 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >Chad Everett wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Most "college's worth attending" don't "teach UNIX". They'll teach
>> >> >> fundamentals like mutual exclusion, process and threads management,
>> >> >> memory managment, file systems, network theory, algorithms,
>> >> >> software engineering, etc., etc. They'll certainly use Unix and
>> >> >> Linux systems, but they won't "teach Unix" per se.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Or would you call it an effective teaching strategy to give a programming
>> >> >assignment to be written on a Unix platform, mandating the use of, say,
>> >> >dynamic memory allocation without introducing the malloc() function....
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> malloc() is part of the standard C library and is independent of UNIX.
>> >>
>> >> If I was giving a programming assignment, mandating the use of
>> >> dynamic memory allocation to a university class, I would have them
>> >> write their own dynamic memory allocator and tell them they were not
>> >> allowed to use malloc.
>> >
>> >Thanks for making my point. Without the use of malloc(), the student
>> >has to interact with the raw operating system.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> It would be a good exercise on how to implement
>> >> memory managers. I've had just such assignments. A well designed
>> >> assignment would not mandate that it be written on a particular OS
>> >> platform at all. The assignment might limit you to certain platforms,
>> >> but that's different.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >There might not be classes specifically devoted TO Unix...but any
>> >> >college worth attending is going to have a at minimum, a significant
>> >> >portion of programming assignments on Unix systems.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah....that's what I said.
>> >>
>> >> > If you don't
>> >> >teach the students at least the rudiments of the system which you
>> >> >are telling them to use, then there is something very, very wrong
>> >> >with *you*.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Not true at all. If you're teaching an Object-Oriented design
>> >> class and the assignments involve writing object-oriented programs,
>> >> you don't spend time teaching a particular language. If you're
>> >
>> >And they do their programming assignments how...in pencil and paper
>> >in pseudo-code?
>> >
>> >
>> >> in a CS program, you don't spend time "teaching UNIX"...they're
>> >> expected to learn UNIX on their own time. If you're teaching
>> >> an operating systems class, you don't spend time teaching
>> >> systems administration.
>> >
>> >So, you just dump your incoming freshmen onto an account and
>> >say, 'Go program, boy'
>> >
>> >IF the students don't get at least introductory material about
>> >the operating system in class, then it is necessary to hold
>> >short (possible non-credit courses) on campus for new users
>> >so that they can gain the knowledge required to do such things
>> >as what is the name of the compiler?
>> >
>>
>> You are changing the discussion. We were dicussing how colleges
>> and universities don't "teach UNIX". Telling students how to
>> compile a program is not "teaching UNIX". Maybe we're arguing
>> over semantics? What exactly do you mean by "teach UNIX"?
>
>If you teach a student how to use the editor, so that he can do his
>first, freshman level programming assignment, then you are teaching
>about Unix. IF you teach him where the compiler's support files
>are..you are teaching him unix.
>
This is not how I define "teach UNIX". Temporarily using YOUR definition
of "teach UNIX", then OK I agree. I am no context switching back to
my definition of "teach UNIX".
>Every class will cover a slightly different aspect...but by the
>time he is done, he will have covered the O/S inside and out.
>
Not using my definition of "covering the OS inside and out"
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:38:45 -0500
John Fereira wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >John Fereira wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <nWgu6.69$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >Note there's still no way to redirect stderr, which breaks a lot of
> >> >"stdout
> >> >> >redirection", ie if the program writes to stderr, the text doesn't get
> >> >> >redirected to the file.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I was compiling a GIS mapping application (written in java) this
> >> >> afternoon on an NT box I typed: javac gui.java 2>out and stderr was
> >> >> redirected to a file called out.
> >> >
> >> >Wasn't that nice of Sun, to provide the missing redirection option for you?
> >>
> >> Thanks. I didn't realize that the compiler was providing the redirection.
> >> Now that I think about it, it's pretty easy to implement for any CLI
> >> application that I might write.
> >> >
> >> >Why did they have to provide it? Because MS didn't.
> >>
> >> How many applications does the Linux Corporation provide?
> >
> >There is no "Linux Corporation" you twit.
>
> No shit, sherlock.
>
Then why did you ask a question premised upon the existance of such?
> John Fereira
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + PostgreSQL + Apache + JDBC + Tomcat JSP / Servlets: Ready for
prime time?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:42:10 GMT
> Bear in mind that a more important factor might well be the disk drive
> I/O buss as opposed to the CPUs, although it depends on the application.
> I'm using SCSI, for example, which gives good performance. Cheaper
> machines use IDE, although it's possible UDMA100 or UDMA66 might be
> decent; I don't know.
Yeah, definitely, I use SCSI only on servers...
> A good set of questions, admittedly; I don't know the answers, but
> suspect someone might.
I checked out the linux docs site, and there is a document there that
discusses setting up Linux+Java intranets, but it's incomplete.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Dandie)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,soc.singles,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Too expensive, too invasive (was: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:29:20 GMT
It appears RH is trying to old B. Gates routine...mapping the config
and using it to their advantage...What else are they grabbing from
your box?
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:08:44 GMT, "Flacco"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>$20 bucks per machine per month? $360 per year for updates to a free operating
>system that the provider did not write?
>
>And RH stores your hardware and software config on its servers?
>
>They're out of their minds.
>
>
>Try this:
>
>$40 per YEAR for five or fewer machines in a single domain.
>
>All config data is stored locally on MY servers, not RH's.
>
>Then I'd consider it.
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From: Eugenio Mastroviti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Linux MUST DO! - Comments anyone?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:47:32 +0000
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Joe home user will use whatever his workplace management puts
> on his desktop.
>
>
> That's why Mafia$oft became the dominant home platform instead
> of the far-easier to use Macintosh.
(this will get me flamed...)
When I can't use Linux, I've always found Windows easier to use than Mac...
maybe it's just I don't trust GUI-only systems, so when it was Dos/Win3.11
vs. Mac I went instinctively for something that had a CLI, and then the old
habits stuck...
Eugenio
>
>
>
> >
> > Scott
>
>
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