Linux-Advocacy Digest #240, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 18:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Chad Myers")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Christopher L. Estep")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Christopher L. Estep")
Re: Here's a switch for a change (Mark)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Mark)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Mark)
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? (Mark)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Ed Allen)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Mark)
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) ("Christopher L.
Estep")
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:37:52 -0500
"Thaddius Maximus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "~¿~" wrote:
> >
>
> [...]
>
> > You think conservatives want people to become educated?
> > Look at their education bills. They don't want you to have a clue about the
> > true history of this country. Because if you did, you'd realize what true
> > scoundrels they are. You sound as if you are their poster boy.
> >
> > You need to hit the books pal, and open your mind.
> >
>
>
> For the first time in 8 years the USA has an education policy
> under the Bush Administration. Under the Clinton Administration
> the education policy consisted of nothing more than Slick Willie
> chasing school girls his daughter's age.
Oh yeah, and removing all trace of religious freedom at the local
level, not to mention spreading abortion propaganda and sex
education which consisted of teachers encouraging students to
lie on top of each other.
-c
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From: "Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:38:09 GMT
"Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > I'm not too sure about the NYSE, but I think the NASDAQ, unfortunately,
runs
> > on Windows.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> NASDAQ's web server is Windows. The computer that actually does the
> trading is a big Unisys mainframe. Microcomputer architecture just isn't
> capable. It's not a Windows verses Linux issue.
It *used* to not have been capable. The mainframe's replacement (NASD's) is
a server farm (multiple rackmounted IBM NetFinity 2Us) running 2000
Datacenter Server. The biggest single problem is that NASD wants one for
each trading floor (primary and backups), so IBM has to build more servers
(and NASD needs to acquire more backup/storage space).
It would not have been practical to have a complete mainframe for each
trading floor. However, the commodity pricing of current PC hardware,
combined with the hyperclustering support of operating systems like
Datacenter Server, makes setups like the one that NASD has on order
practical.
Christopher L. Estep
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:48:31 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Rick wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Burkhard Wölfel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > drsquare wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:15:43 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > > > > (Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Are theses AIDS statistics or HIV disease statistics?
> > > > > > >Do you know the difference?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, he doesn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > Waht part of "U.S. AIDS CASES" do you not understand?
> > > >
> > > > What part of the word "reference", or "citation" if you want, do you not
> > > > understand?
> > >
> > > What part of U.S. Center for Disease Control did you not comprehend?
> > >
> >
> > Im going to ask again. Are you sure these are numbres of people with end
> > stage AIDS, or are they numbers of HIV+ people or people showing HIV/AID
> > related complex?
>
> Are _all_ AIDS patients HIV+,
> a) no
> B) YES
>
> >
But, is everyone that is HIV+ an AIDS patient?
I am assuming that you mean all AIDS patients are HIV+.
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:51:29 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Rick wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > drsquare wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:15:43 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > > (Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
> > > > >
> > > > >Are theses AIDS statistics or HIV disease statistics?
> > > > >Do you know the difference?
> > > >
> > > > No, he doesn't.
> > >
> > > Waht part of "U.S. AIDS CASES" do you not understand?
> > >
> >
> > Do you know the differnece between HIV disease and end stage AIDS? Its
>
> What part of US ____AIDS_____ CASES do you not understand?
>
Note. No answer to question. Can we assume that you have no idea.
> > an easy question. Answer it. Then we may find out if yo have any idea
> > about the numbers you are quoting.
> >
> > > >
> > > > >> EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
> > > > >> Men who have sex with men - 326,051
> > > > >
> > > > >What kind of sex is this? Oral, anal, what.
> > > > >Are these new or old cases?
> > > >
> > > > He doesn't know. The people who came up with the statistics don't
> > > > know. That is why the statistics are worthless.
> > >
> > > They tell us that Gays infect each other FAR FAR FAR more frequenty
> > > than heterosexual.
> > >
> >
> > I repeat... What kind of sex is this? Oral, anal, what. The question is
> > impirtant in interpreting these numbers. These numbers do NOT tell us
> > that homosexuals infect each other more frequently than heterosexuals.
> > They DO tell us there are more homosexuals withthe disease. The US is
> > somewhat unique in that it's main HIV+ population is homosexual.
Note: no response.
> >
> > > >
> > > > >> Injecting drug use - -
> > > > >> MALE 126,889 -
> > > > >> FEMALE 46,804 -
> > > > >> TOTAL - 173,693
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you tell us why the number for men is higher for men Here?
> > > >
> > > > No, he can't. Neither can the people who came up with the statistics.
> > > >
> > > > >> Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
> > > > >> Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
> > > > >> MALE 4,663 -
> > > > >> FEMALE 248 -
> > > > >> TOTAL - 4,911
> > > > >
> > > > >.. these people have AIDS?
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't say. The statistics are worthless.
> > > >
> >
> > Actually, these are merely numbers. And you didnt answer... why do you
> > thnk the number of men of the IV drug use risk group was larger than
> > women? Do you have any idea? Tis is a question that is important to
> > understand the spread of the disease.
> >
Note: no repsonse.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:33:51 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, F/@- wrote:
>
>For example, I bought ATI all-in-wonder radeon board, it is a
>TV tuner card and video card in one. the ATI mutlimedia software
>that comes with it and the driver and the the movie editing software
>all run on windows. They do not run on Linux.
Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say,
you wanted to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me.
--
Mark Kent
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From: "Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:51:42 GMT
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I highly doubt that... as UNIX and Apache are primarily the predominant
> O/S and webserver software out there.
> You need big iron for heavy volume trading.
> So far that is all that is running,... BIG IRON.
Did you know that a Windows 2000 variant of Apache exists?
Also, the biggest reason why there is still lots of mainframe software and
hardware is because of *old code* (the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
school was born in mainframe computing) that either doesn't convert well, or
convert at all, to a GUI environment (*any* GUI environment, including X).
Mainframe compuing is *not* cost-effective compared to server farms
clustered properly (this applies to *any* OS that supports clustering, not
just Datacenter Server) as companies like DST Innovis
(http://www.dstinnovis.com/partners) prove every day.
Also, note that the top 50 machines in TPC-C and TPC-H benchmarks are *not*
mainframes.
ASCI White, the second most powerful supercomputer on the planet, is *not* a
mainframe, but consists of 9,200 Intel Pentium Pros.
Sandia has asked Microsoft to port XP Datacenter Server to their
supercomputers.
Christopher L. Estep
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:37:12 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Cox wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>says...
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Cox wrote:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >says...
>> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:37:42 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:12:04 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:9frbdu$5ku4u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> >> > He's demanding to talk to the store manager because Windows wiped out
>> >> >> >> > all of his data which contained some kind of a web based research
>> >> >> >> > project (best I could gather in between screams).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'd like to have been there and heard the manager try to explain that
>> >> > not
>> >> >> >> only was his data permanently gone with no chance of compensation but
>> >> > he
>> >> >> >> couldn't have a refund on the software because he agreed to the
>> >> > no-refunds
>> >> >> >> clause in the EULA when he installed the product. - but he could have
>> >> >> >> another copy of the same product in exchange.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > There is no such clause in the EULA, in fact MS offers a 30 day money
>> >> > back
>> >> >> > guarantee on retail software.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> which if you try to collect (on the os that came shipped with your PC)
>> >> >> they refuse, say that you have to collect from the manufacturer of the
>> >> >> PC.
>> >> >
>> >> > The OS that ships with the PC is an OEM, not a retail copy.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you try to bring back your AC Delco radio, I'm sure Delco will likely
>> >> > laugh at you.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> In the windows EULA, it says that if you don't agree to it, you should
>> >> return it for a refund, which M$ refuses to pay. If I bought a radio
>> >> which turned out to be a piece of sh!t, I'd return it, but I can't seem
>> >> to do the same thing with windows, why is that Eric?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Why is this so hard for people to understand? If you buy Microsoft
>> >software at a retail store and the EULA says you can return it for a
>> >refund then you can return it for a refund either at the store you got
>> >it from or directly from Microsoft. As far as I know no one has ever
>> >been denied a refund in this retail situation.
>>
>> You've obviously never heard of Windows Refund day then. I think it
>> was last year when a guy in australia bought a Toshiba laptop, and
>> took back the windows for a refund. The store *refused*. He took
>> it up with Toshiba. Toshiba *refused*. He ended up taking the
>> issue to Toshiba's headquarters, afairc, before getting anywhere.
>>
>> He certainly did not get anything from Microsoft, they *refused*,
>> saying it was Toshiba's problem, and nothing from the store.
>
>Exactly. It IS Toshiba's problem. That's one of the responsibilities
>Toshiba took on, along with support, for getting a cheap price on the OS.
>It's part of the OEM contract between Microsoft and Toshiba.
To charge for windows even if it is not supplied, as far as I recall.
>
>>
>> > If you bought a computer
>> >that had Microsoft software included with an OEM based EULA then you need
>> >to go to the manufacturer of the computer to get a refund. This is the
>> >exact same situation I was in when I bought my Toyata pickup. It had a
>> >radio as standard equipment. I didn't want it (I wanted a Clarion
>> >radio/CD player instead) and asked for a refund. The dealer not only
>> >said they wouldn't give me a refund for a standard equipment item but
>> >would have to charge me mechanic's time to remove the radio. Do you
>> >honestly believe the manufacturer of my pickup's radio is responsible to
>> >give me the refund if I ask for it?
>>
>>
>> You don't need to have the radio removed, just order the vehicle without
>> the radio fitted. In any area other than Microsoft's, this is possible.
>
>No, I couldn't do that. What part of "standard equipment" didn't you
>understand? It is not possible to order that vehicle without a
>factory installed radio. This is very common in the US, especially for
>Japanese vehicles.
Surely you get a choice of radios? As with all the other options? If
you're not getting the choice of fittings you want, go to another
supplier. In the car world, there is competition and choice, unlike
in the computing desktop world. You really do not need to stay in
the same showroom!
>
>> The problem with PCs is that Microsoft have forced most if not all
>> major vendors to pay them a sum of money when they sell a pc, whether
>> it has windows installed or not. This means that the manufacturers of
>> these machines simply do not ship without windows. In the case of
>> a car and a radio, you have a choice. When Microsoft are involved,
>> you have no choice.
>>
>
>
>As per the explination above, my analogy fits the situation.
>
No, because as I said above, you have choice of car supplier, choice
of dealer. You have the money, you are in charge, you can ask for
what you want. In OSs, you have no choice, because all you get to
do is pay microsoft whether you want their OS or not.
--
Mark Kent
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:54:18 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Rick wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > drsquare wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:15:43 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > > (Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
> > > > >
> > > > >Are theses AIDS statistics or HIV disease statistics?
> > > > >Do you know the difference?
> > > >
> > > > No, he doesn't.
> > >
> > > Waht part of "U.S. AIDS CASES" do you not understand?
> > >
> >
> > Do you know the differnece between HIV disease and end stage AIDS? Its
> > an easy question.
>
> > Answer it. Then we may find out if yo have any idea
> > about the numbers you are quoting.
>
> AIDS is the manifestation of symptoms caused by HIV
>
> Hope that helps, dumbass.
>
The ONLY syptom caused by the HIV is a destruction of certain white
blood cells. This is most certainly NOT AIDS...dumbass.
> >
> > > >
> > > > >> EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
> > > > >> Men who have sex with men - 326,051
> > > > >
> > > > >What kind of sex is this? Oral, anal, what.
> > > > >Are these new or old cases?
> > > >
> > > > He doesn't know. The people who came up with the statistics don't
> > > > know. That is why the statistics are worthless.
> > >
> > > They tell us that Gays infect each other FAR FAR FAR more frequenty
> > > than heterosexual.
> > >
> >
> > I repeat... What kind of sex is this? Oral, anal, what. The question is
> > impirtant in interpreting these numbers. These numbers do NOT tell us
> > that homosexuals infect each other more frequently than heterosexuals.
> > They DO tell us there are more homosexuals withthe disease. The US is
> > somewhat unique in that it's main HIV+ population is homosexual.
> >
Note; no response.
> > > >
> > > > >> Injecting drug use - -
> > > > >> MALE 126,889 -
> > > > >> FEMALE 46,804 -
> > > > >> TOTAL - 173,693
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you tell us why the number for men is higher for men Here?
> > > >
> > > > No, he can't. Neither can the people who came up with the statistics.
> > > >
> > > > >> Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
> > > > >> Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
> > > > >> MALE 4,663 -
> > > > >> FEMALE 248 -
> > > > >> TOTAL - 4,911
> > > > >
> > > > >.. these people have AIDS?
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't say. The statistics are worthless.
> > > >
> >
> > Actually, these are merely numbers. And you didnt answer... why do you
> > thnk the number of men of the IV drug use risk group was larger than
> > women? Do you have any idea? Tis is a question that is important to
> > understand the spread of the disease.
> >
Note: no repsonse.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:39:58 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <9gadjj$1gg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"JamesW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS \\ PL"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says...
>> >
>> > "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> > >
>> > > >put the file up on an internet server so we can all see this mythical
>> > 200mhz
>> > > >system with 16 mb RAM you claim to have.
>> > >
>> > > You want a picture of my desktop?
>> > >
>> > > >While your at it, lets see how small the HD is. You claim it's 1gb
>which
>> > > >doesn't jive with system sold during the 200mhz era.
>> > > >right click on your c: in explorer, hit alt-print screen paste into
>> > > >paint.....
>> > >
>> > > OK, I admit I lied. It's 1.26GB. Are you happy now?
>> >
>> > I knew you were lying. But I also know your still lying. That's pretty
>sad.
>> > Saying you have a SMALLER system than you actually have. Pathetic.
>> >
>> Hmmm, I have a 200MHz machine that came with a 1.2GB HD and would have
>> come with 16MB of RAM too but I ordered it with a mighty 32! It's been
>> upgraded over time so I no longer have the original configuration but
>> such machines did exist - BTW it wasn't an x86/Doze box - maybe that
>> explains drsquare's machine too?
>
>What system is that?
>
>There may be a lot of systems like that, but they are old. I don't think
>that a standard level computer bought in the last 3 - 4 years wouldn't be
>able to handle XP.
>
>
3-4 years? I'd be amazed if more than 10 to 20% of them could. Progress
is pretty quick in hardware.
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:44:07 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:03:08 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>>> >Oh... looks like it's time to head on over to pricewatch dot com.
>>> >
>>> >Hard drive space for bloatware:
>>> >Well there an 80gb HD for 208.00 what's that work out to..... $2.60 to
>>store
>>> >Windows XP.
>>>
>>> I don't know where the fuck you're getting those figures from.
>>
>>I'm sorry http://www.pricewatch.com I guess spelling out pricewatch dot com
>>threw you into a state of confusion.
>
>What threw me into a state of confusion was that anyone would sell a
>hard disk capable of holding Windows XP for $2.60.
>
>>>I'd
>>> like you to tell me somewhere that sells a harddisk for $2.60 that
>>> would be capable of using XP on. When you include programs etc, you're
>>> more than likely to have to spend at least £50 on a new harddisk.
>>
>>I wasn't including programs, I was listing the "per mb" cost of the Windows
>>footprint on an 80 gb hard drive, which works out to a mere $2.60. Most
>>people don't have to get a larger hard drive to install XP though since it's
>>footprint is merely 1 gb.
>
>So they just have to buy a $2.60 drive?
>
>>> >RAM 128mb for $21.00 (my god it's getting cheap) But most people already
>>> >have at least 64mb if they are currently running Win98. So I'll just
>>order
>>> >64mb from Connect Computers for a whole - $9.00
>>> >
>>> >I'm up to $11.60
>>>
>>> Again, I don't know where you're getting your prices from. 128MB of
>>> RAM is more likely to cost at least £50.
>>
>>Again, the first sentnce of the thread your replying to refered to where the
>>prices came from.
>
>Sorry, but if you write an address like a sentence, you can't complain
>if someone sees it as a sentence.
>
>>> I'm up to $100.
>>
>>You mean your current hd is less than 1gb and you have NO RAM to start with?
>>Damn.
>
>I would have to take it out to fit the new RAM in, you fucking idiot.
>
>>> >Now I need a MONSTER, state of the art, 233mhz processor (actually I'm
>>> >currently running XP beta on a 233 w/ 60mb EDO RAM and it runs fine)
>>> >
>>> >Looks like a place called Kahlon will sell me a 233 for $27.00 (that
>>hurts)
>>>
>>> And it will run like a dead whale at that speed. I think you're more
>>> likely to need a 500Mhz, which of course will require a new
>>> motherboard. So that's what, another £200?
>>
>>Windows XP isn't processor intensive. My 233 mhz hovers around 6% processor
>>usage 99.9 % of it's life.
>
>I'll just take your word for that eh?
>
>>> >I'm almost out $40.00 upgrading my system to accomodate Windows XP!
>>> >
>>> >DAMN YOU MICROSOFT!! DAMN YOUUUUUUUU!!!!!!
>>>
>>> Yeah, £300, plus the cost of the OS on top of that. Not QUITE as cheap
>>> as you make it out to be.
>>
>>Cheaper actually because I didn't spend a dime on hardware to install WinXP
>>beta. Most of the rest of the world will not have to spend a dime on
>>hardware to install it either. If your sitting on a box with less than 60 mb
>>of RAM and less than 1 gb of free hard drive space, and less than a 233 mhz
>>processor. NOT having windows XP isn't your biggest problem.
>
>No, not being rich enough to be able splash out money foolishly on
>brand new PCs every 6 months is my problem.
A lot of people I know are still using 486s and have no intention of
upgrading them. The idea that everyone has a PC not more than 12
months old is ludicrous, typical astroturfers material from the
Redmond foundry of bollocks-for-facts.
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:47:41 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <9ga1a6$npp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten wrote:
>Hi Guys!
>
>Question for the UK linux users here.
>
>Which dialup ISPs are Linux friendly, and which one do you think is the
>best?
btinternet works well enough with linux. There is a faq from the
btinternet.linux newsgroup which is also posted to uk.comp.os.linux
which should get you through any setup issues.
I've used debian as firewall/router for home lan for years with it.
>
>I'm moving in to a flat soon and since I have a Linux box, I need a Linux
>friendly ISP, also, cable is not an option.
>
>Also can anyone also reccomend a good external modem for Linux? I don't
>want an internal one since they're harder to swap computers with.
Just about anything will work. I recently got one from Currys!
>
>
>I know this group well enought to know that i'll get some pretty solid
>advice, and I'd also kindly ask the wintrolls to go away.
>
>If necessary, I can get hold of a Windows box temporarily if I need that
>to register.
Not necessary afaik.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>-Ed
>
>
>
>
--
Mark Kent
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:01:08 GMT
In article <3b28bd80$0$94307$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> By now most of us have memorized the approved responses to expect
>> from you. First blame the user as demonstrated by Bill himself in
>> this interview:
>
>Either he's making it up, or he has a really, really screwed up
>OL or Exchange install.
>
This is an example of the mindless repetition which I mentioned in
another post.
Continual blame shifting is avoidance of responsibility. Not that
you are responsible but you seem eager to proxy for MS.
Now you have moved back to step one and are about to start another
round of "keep misdirecting till they go away" which is even
practiced by MS tech support.
--
Microsoft is trying to add to the list of biggest lies of all time:
"Hi. I'm from Microsoft and I am here to protect you from the threat of
the GPL."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:50:27 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
>In article <9g6ckl$aao$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I've just kill filed him, no because I disagree, but because I don't
>> won't to hear about is childish antics.
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner
>
>That's too bad; I think you'll miss out on a lot of fun.
>
>Occasionally the wife and I will watch a couple of minutes of Jerry
>Springer (that's all we can stand) on the telly, and we always end up
>rejoicing in how uncomplicated our lives are, and how lucky we are to have
You don't actually believe it do you ;-) ?
It's all invention - acted out for the masses. It's womens magazines
brought to life, of course it's complicated! Have you never watched
a soap opera?
;-D
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From: "Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:04:08 GMT
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > <low blow> Windows NT /was/ written with protability in mind (Mach
> > > microkernel, HAL), but it looks like MS has abandoned that path...
> > > </low blow>
> >
> > Not really.
> > There are going to be two version of WinXP & 2K for 64 bits.
> >
> > Who want to bet on how long it would take to x86 proper to die?
> > I set the bet on five to ten years from the moment I can get Itanuim &
> > x86-64 on today's mid-high end prices.
> > Unless Intel decide to cut 32 bits and just do 64bits.
>
> It is apparent that MS has to write two completely different o/ses...
> one 32-bit and the other 64-bit. I won't bet on the ia-32s future...
> with marketing and $ in their eyes its going to be pricey 64-bit
> machines in the future... and repeat the cycle of the same old software
> again only in new packaging and more colorful advertising.
Microsoft has to write a completely different OS for Itanium because *Intel*
made a relevant and rational decision to leave IA-32 backward compatibility
out of Itanium altogether.
Also notice what features are *missing* from the Itanium version of XP
Professional that are *in* the IA-32/AMD version of the same OS.
Further, Itanium is intended to be the replacement for Xeon, not the
"commodity" processors that are P-III and P-IV.
Linux had to do the same thing (Itanium vs. IA-32).
Not exactly news.
Christopher L. Estep
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