On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raymond Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Monday 03 August 2009 08:12:24 you wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Raymond Martin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > I suggest that Raymond keep picking the GPL issues of Impro-Visor, till > > everything is fixed. I'm not saying that Raymond should join now or that > he > > can't have his fork, but I hope that at some point Raymond can join the > > Impro-Visor project and help improving Impro-Visor. Cause imho this will > be > > the best for all parties including and especially the end-user. > > Hopes do not always come true. True most of the time ;) > This case is probably one of those times > because someone else has made it next to impossible to help the original. > > Take a little inventory. Kicked off group, when not even sending messages > to > it. Before that (last year), had messages censored due to differing ideas > (uphold GPL, distribute source, add improvements). A mailing list for the > SF > Impro-Visor project is created. What chance do I have of getting on that or > staying on it if allowed to join given the previous actions? I think the changes to get on it is pretty high, if you and Prof Keller takes time, also for dialogue. I think he is open for it. > So I have to > create my own list where I know I will be fair and let everyone have their > say. > > Let us not forget the negative comments on that group that basically > attempt > to alienate those of us who believe in FOSS from that project, as if there > is > something wrong with us. That is not helpful. You're right, but maybe it was a reaction on negative comments he got and misunderstanding about GPL. > > > It is very shortsighted to believe that the best interest of a project > remains > with the original. It may or may not, depends on the circumstances--the > quality of the code and so forth. It is a myth that only the originators of > a technology can make the best version. The history of computing disagrees > with this attitude, no matter how many people seem to believe it. You can join and make your improvements to Impro-Visor. If they not accept it, we can see what the arguments are and if they're right or not. I'm not interested in examples from the past though. > > > To better the software requires a different attitude, an open attitude. A > closed Yahoo group, with censoring, kicking people off. GPL violations. > Negative attitude towards FOSS, even after numerous messages and > an apparent change. These kinds of things really do not shout free and > open to me in any measure. you're right. But you also have seen that the attitude of the project is changing now, with the change it will reach a satisfying state for many of us. > > > I'm sure all this babbling has run its course for most on this list. That > is why we can move discussions to my list, where everyone can argue > to their heart's content. Or you can join the Improvisor Google group > (http://groups.google.com/group/improvisor). I let anyone join and have > tried to put the settings as low as possible to keep it very open. This > is not what you are seeing with Impro-Visor. Impro-Visor has launched an open mailinglist now. Kind regards, \r
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