On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 08:50:48PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Chris Ball <c...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >   > echo x1 > /mnt/x/d/foo.txt || exit 2
> >   > btrfsctl -s /mnt/x/snap /mnt/x/d
> >
> > You're just missing a sync/fsync() between these two lines.
> >
> > We argued on IRC a while ago about whether this is a sensible default;
> > cmason wants the no-sync version of snapshot creation to be available,
> > but was amenable to the idea of changing the default to be sync before
> > snapshot, since it was pointed out that no-one other than him had
> > understood we were supposed to be running sync first.
> >
> You're saying that it only snapshots the on-disk data structures and
> not the in-memory versions?  That can only lead to pain.  What do you
> do if something else during this race condition?  What would a sync do
> to solve this?  Have the semantics of sync been changed in btrfs from
> "sync everything that hasn't been written yet" to "sync this
> subvolume"?
> 

Welcome to delalloc.  You either get fast writes or you get all of your data on
the disk every 5 seconds.  If you don't like delalloc, use ext3.  The data
you've written to memory doesn't go down to disk unless explicitly told to, such
as

1) fsync - this is obvious
2) vm - the vm has decided that this dirty page has been sitting around long
enough and should be written back to the disk, could happen now, could happen 10
years from now.
3) sync - this is not as obvious.  sync doesn't mean anything than "start
writing back dirty data to the fs", and returns before it's done.  For btrfs
what that means is we run through _every_ inode that has delalloc pages
associated with them and start writeback on them.  This will get most of your
data into the current transaction, which is when the snapshot happens.

If you don't want empty files, do something like this

btrfsctl -c /dir/to/volume
btrfsctl -s /dir/to/volume/snapshotname /dir/to/volume

this is what we do with yum and its rollback plugin, and it works out quite
well.  Thanks,

Josef
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