On 2014-08-24 15:48, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Flash ROM <flashromg...@yandex.com> wrote: >> While it sounds dumb, this strange thing being done to put partition table >> in separate erase block, so it never read-modify-written when FAT entries >> are updated. Should something go wrong, FAR can recover from backup copy. >> But erased partition table just suxx. Then, FAT tables are aligned in way to >> fit well around erase block bounds. > > I think you seriously overestimate the knowledge of camera manufacturer's > about the details of flash storage; and any ability to discover it; and any > willingness on the part of the flash manufacturer to reveal such underlying > details. The whole point of these cards is to completely abstract the reality > of the underlying hardware from the application layer - in this case the > camera or mobile device using it. > If you really know what you are doing, it is possible to determine erase block size by looking at device performance timings, with surprisingly high accuracy (assuming you aren't trying to have software do it for you). I've actually done this before on several occasions, with nearly 100% success. > Also, with SDXC exFAT is now specified. And it has only one FAT there isn't a > backup FAT. So they're even more difficult to recover data from should things > go awry filesystem wise. > It's too bad that TFAT didn't catch on, as it would have been great for SD cards if it could be configured to put each FAT on a different erase block. > >> This said, you can *try* to reformat, BUT no standard OS of firmware >> formatter will help you with default settings. They can't know geometry of >> underlying NAND and controller properties. There is no standard, widely >> accepted way to get such information from card. No matter if you use OS >> formatter, camera formatter or whatever. YOU WILL RUIN factory format (which >> is crafted in best possible way) and replace it with another, very likely >> suboptimal one. > > It's recommended by the card manufacturers to reformat it in each camera its > inserted into. It's the only recommended way to "erase" the sd card for > re-use, they don't recommend selectively deleting images. And it's known that > one camera's partition table and formatting can irritate another camera > make/model if the card isn't reformatted by that camera. > It's not just cameras that have this issue, a lot of other hardware makes stupid assumptions about the format of media. The first firmware release for the Nintendo Wii for example, chocked if you tried to use an SD card with more than one partition on it, and old desktop versions of Windows won't ever show you anything other than the first partition on an SD card (or most USB storage devices for that matter).
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