Thanks, snapshots, or subvolumes, was it.  (I'm not clear on the
distinction between a snapshot and a subvolume.)  The 8G amount and
that I did 2 distribution upgrades was a clue.  When I searched for
info on btrfs and snapshots, I eventually found this command, with
these results:

btrfs subvolume list -p /
ID 257 gen 16615 parent 5 top level 5 path @
ID 262 gen 15857 parent 5 top level 5 path
@apt-snapshot-release-upgrade-vivid-2015-11-12_15:49:30
ID 266 gen 16544 parent 257 top level 257 path var/lib/machines
ID 268 gen 16203 parent 5 top level 5 path
@apt-snapshot-release-upgrade-wily-2015-11-13_04:10:00

Seems these subvolumes (snapshots?) are nowhere visible in the file
system.  Now I'm trying to figure out the correct commands to delete
them.  "btrfs subvolume delete @apt-snapshot..." gave "ERROR: error
accessing '@apt-snapshot...", while "btrfs sbuvolume show " on
variations of the name keep giving me "ERROR: finding real path for
'...', No such file or directory."  No luck so far.  What am I
missing?

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 3:16 AM, Timofey Titovets <nefelim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ubuntu create snapshot before each release upgrade
> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt -o rw,subvol=/;
> ls /mnt
>
> 2015-11-14 9:16 GMT+03:00 Brenton Chapin <bzipiti...@gmail.com>:
>> Thanks for the ideas.  Sadly, no snapshots, unless btrfs does that by
>> default.  Never heard of snapper before.
>>
>> Don't see how open files could be a problem, since the computer has
>> been rebooted several times.
>>
>> I wonder... could the distribution upgrade have moved all the old
>> files into a hidden trash directory, rather than deleting them?  But
>> du picks up hidden directories, I believe.  Doesn't seem like that
>> could be it either.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Hugo Mills <h...@carfax.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 04:33:23PM -0600, Brenton Chapin wrote:
>>>> I was running Lubuntu 14.04 on btrfs with lzo compresssion on, with
>>>> the following partition scheme:
>>>>
>>>> sda5   232M  /boot
>>>> sda6   16G   /
>>>> sda7   104G /home
>>>>
>>>> (sda5 is ext4)
>>>>
>>>> I did 2 distribution upgrades, one after the other, to 15.04, then
>>>> 15.10, since the upgrade utility would not go directly to the latest
>>>> version.  This process did a whole lot of reading and writing to the
>>>> root volume of course.  Everything seems to be working, except most of
>>>> the free space I had on sda6 is gone.  Was using about 4G, now df
>>>> reports that the usage is 12G.  At first, I thought Lubuntu had not
>>>> removed old files, but I can't find anything old left behind.  I began
>>>> to suspect btrfs, and checking, find that du shows only 4G used on
>>>> sda6.  Where'd the other 8G go?
>>>
>>>    Do you have snapshots? Are you running snapper, for example?
>>>
>>>    The other place that large amounts of space can go over an upgrade
>>> is in orphans -- files that are deleted, but still held open by
>>> processes, and which therefore can't be reclaimed until the process is
>>> restarted. I've been bitten by that one before.
>>>
>>>    Hugo.
>>>
>>>> "btrfs fi df /" reports the following:
>>>>
>>>> Data, single: total=11.01GiB, used=10.58GiB
>>>> System, DUP: total=8.00MiB, used=16.00KiB
>>>> System, single: total=4.00MiB, used=0.00B
>>>> Metadata, DUP: total=1.00GiB, used=397.80MiB
>>>> Metadata, single: total=8.00MiB, used=0.00B
>>>> GlobalReserve, single: total=144.00MiB, used=0.00B
>>>>
>>>> "btrfs filesystem show /" gives:
>>>>
>>>> Label: none  uuid: 4ea4ac08-ff37-4b51-b1a3-d8b21fd43ddd
>>>>     Total devices 1 FS bytes used 10.97GiB
>>>>     devid    1 size 15.02GiB used 13.04GiB path /dev/sda6
>>>>
>>>> btrfs-progs v4.0
>>>>
>>>> "du --max-depth=1 -h -x" on / shows:
>>>>
>>>> 29M    ./etc
>>>> 0    ./media
>>>> 16M    ./bin
>>>> 354M    ./lib
>>>> 4.0K    ./lib64
>>>> 0    ./mnt
>>>> 160K    ./root
>>>> 12M    ./sbin
>>>> 0    ./srv
>>>> 4.0K    ./tmp
>>>> 3.1G    ./usr
>>>> 442M    ./var
>>>> 0    ./cdrom
>>>> 3.8M    ./lib32
>>>> 3.9G    .
>>>>
>>>> And of course df:
>>>>
>>>> /dev/sda6        16G   12G  2.5G  83% /
>>>> /dev/sda5       232M   53M  163M  25% /boot
>>>> /dev/sda7       104G   46G   57G  45% /home
>>>>
>>>> And mount:
>>>>
>>>> mount |grep sda
>>>> /dev/sda6 on / type btrfs
>>>> (rw,relatime,compress=lzo,space_cache,subvolid=257,subvol=/@)
>>>> /dev/sda5 on /boot type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
>>>> /dev/sda7 on /home type btrfs
>>>> (rw,relatime,compress=lzo,space_cache,subvolid=257,subvol=/@home)
>>>>
>>>> uname -a
>>>> Linux ichor 4.2.0-18-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:25:50 UTC
>>>> 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>>
>>>> I can live with the situation, but recovering that space would be nice.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hugo Mills             | Happiness is mandatory. Are you happy?
>>> hugo@... carfax.org.uk |
>>> http://carfax.org.uk/  |
>>> PGP: E2AB1DE4          |                                              
>>> Paranoia
>>
>>
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