On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 06:00:21PM +0800, Anand Jain wrote:
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> > On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:50 PM, Josef Bacik <jo...@toxicpanda.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 03:41:42PM +0800, Anand Jain wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for the comments. More below.
> >>
> >> On 12/9/19 3:16 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 03:13:21PM -0400, Eli V wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:46 PM Josef Bacik <jo...@toxicpanda.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:04:36PM +0800, Anand Jain wrote:
> >>>>>> Function call chain __btrfs_map_block()->find_live_mirror() uses
> >>>>>> thread pid to determine the %mirror_num when the mirror_num=0.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This patch introduces a framework so that we can add policies to
> >>>>>> determine
> >>>>>> the %mirror_num. And also adds the devid as the readmirror policy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The new property is stored as an item in the device tree as show below.
> >>>>>> (BTRFS_READMIRROR_OBJECTID, BTRFS_PERSISTENT_ITEM_KEY, devid)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To be able to set and get this new property also introduces new ioctls
> >>>>>> BTRFS_IOC_GET_READMIRROR and BTRFS_IOC_SET_READMIRROR. The ioctl
> >>>>>> argument
> >>>>>> is defined as
> >>>>>> struct btrfs_ioctl_readmirror_args {
> >>>>>> __u64 type; /* RW */
> >>>>>> __u64 device_bitmap; /* RW */
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> An usage example as follows:
> >>>>>> btrfs property set /btrfs readmirror devid:1,3
> >>>>>> btrfs property get /btrfs readmirror
> >>>>>> readmirror devid:1 3
> >>>>>> btrfs property set /btrfs readmirror ""
> >>>>>> btrfs property get /btrfs readmirror
> >>>>>> readmirror default
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This patchset has been tested completely, however marked as RFC for the
> >>>>>> following reasons and comments on them (or any other) are appreciated
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>> usual.
> >>>>>> . The new objectid is defined as
> >>>>>> #define BTRFS_READMIRROR_OBJECTID -1ULL
> >>>>>> Need consent we are fine to use this value, and with this value it
> >>>>>> shall be placed just before the DEV_STATS_OBJECTID item which is
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>> frequently used only during the device errors.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> . I am using a u64 bitmap to represent the devices id, so the max
> >>>>>> device
> >>>>>> id that we could represent is 63, its a kind of limitation which
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>>> be addressed before integration, I wonder if there is any
> >>>>>> suggestion?
> >>>>>> Kindly note that, multiple ioctls with each time representing a set
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> device(s) is not a choice because we need to make sure the
> >>>>>> readmirror
> >>>>>> changes happens in a commit transaction.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> v1->RFC v2:
> >>>>>> . Property is stored as a dev-tree item instead of root inode
> >>>>>> extended
> >>>>>> attribute.
> >>>>>> . Rename BTRFS_DEV_STATE_READ_OPRIMIZED to
> >>>>>> BTRFS_DEV_STATE_READ_PREFERRED.
> >>>>>> . Changed format specifier from devid1,2,3.. to devid:1,2,3..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> RFC->v1:
> >>>>>> Drops pid as one of the readmirror policy choices and as usual
> >>>>>> remains
> >>>>>> as default. And when the devid is reset the readmirror policy falls
> >>>>>> back
> >>>>>> to pid.
> >>>>>> Drops the mount -o readmirror idea, it can be added at a later point
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> time.
> >>>>>> Property now accepts more than 1 devid as readmirror device. As shown
> >>>>>> in the example above.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is a lot of infrastructure
> >>
> >> Ok. Any idea on a better implementation?
> >> How about extended attribute approach? v1 patches proposed
> >> it, but it abused the extended attribute as commented here [1]
> >> and v2 got changed to an item-key.
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/be68e6ea-00bc-b750-25e1-9c584b993...@gmx.com/
> >>
> >
> > That's a NAK on the prop interface. This is a fs wide policy, not a
> > directory/inode policy.
> >
> >>
> >>>>> to just change which mirror we read to based on
> >>>>> some arbitrary user policy. I assume this is to solve the case where
> >>>>> you have
> >>>>> slow and fast disks, so you can always read from the fast disk? And
> >>>>> then it's
> >>>>> only used in RAID1, so the very narrow usecase of having a RAID1 setup
> >>>>> with a
> >>>>> SSD and a normal disk? I'm not seeing a point to this much code for one
> >>>>> particular obscure setup. Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Josef
> >>>>
> >>>> Not commenting on the code itself, but as a user I see this SSD RAID1
> >>>> acceleration as a future much have feature. It's only obscure at the
> >>>> moment because we don't have code to take advantage of it. But on
> >>>> large btrfs filesystems with hundreds of GB of metadata, like I have
> >>>> for backups, the usability of the filesystem is dramatically improved
> >>>> having the metadata on an SSD( though currently only half of the time
> >>>> due to the even/odd pid distribution.)
> >>>
> >>> But that's different from a mirror. 100% it would be nice to say "put my
> >>> metadata on the ssd, data elsewhere". That's not what this patch is
> >>> about, this
> >>> patch is specifically about changing which drive we choose in a mirrored
> >>> setup,
> >>> which is super unlikely to mirror a SSD with a slow drive, cause it's
> >>> just going
> >>> to be slow no matter what. Sure we could make it so reads always go to
> >>> the SSD,
> >>> but we can accomplish that by just adding a check for nonrotational in
> >>> the code,
> >>> and then we don't have to encode all this nonsense in the file system.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>
> >> I wrote about the readmirror policy framework here[2],
> >> I forgot to link it here, sorry about that, my mistake.
> >>
> >> [2]
> >>
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/1552989624-29577-1-git-send-email-anand.j...@oracle.com/
> >>
> >> Readmirror policy is for raid1, raid10 and future N way mirror.
> >> Yes for now its only for raid1.
> >>
> >> Here the idea is to create a framework so that readmirror policy
> >> can be configured as needed. And nonrotational can be one such policy.
> >>
> >> The example of hard-coded nonrotational policy does not work in case
> >> of ssd and a remote iscsi ssd, OR in case of local ssd and a NVME block
> >> device, as all these are still nonrotational devices. So hard-coded
> >> policy is not a good idea. If we have to hardcode then there is Q-depth
> >> based readmirror routing is better (patch in the ML), but that is
> >> not good enough, because some configs wants it based on the disk-LBA
> >> so that SAN storage target cache is balanced and not duplicated.
> >> So in short it must be a configurable policy.
> >>
> >
> > Again, if you are mixing disk types you likely always want non-rotational,
> > but
> > still mixing different speed devices in a mirror setup is just asking for
> > weird
> > latency problems. I don't think solving this use case is necessary. If
> > you mix
> > ssd + network device in a serious production setup then you probably should
> > be
> > fired cause you don't know what you are doing. Having the generic
> > "nonrotational gets priority" is going to cover 99% of the actual use cases
> > that
> > make sense.
> >
> > The SAN usecase I can sort of see, but again I don't feel like it's a
> > problem we
> > need to solve with on-disk format. Add a priority to sysfs so you can
> > change it
> > with udev or something on the fly. Thanks,
> >
>
> Ok.
> Sysfs is fine however we need configuration to be persistent across reboots.
> Any idea?
>
Udev rules. Thanks,
Josef
