Linux-Development-Sys Digest #420, Volume #6 Sun, 21 Feb 99 21:14:18 EST
Contents:
Re: glibc 2.1 ;) (Andreas Jaeger)
Re: Long UID/GID and POSIX compliance (Peter Samuelson)
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath! (David Allen)
Free stuff on the net (Grant)
opendir in -ldir. Was ist? (Marc D. Williams)
linux 2.2.1 with SMP power management problem. (Account for using TIP)
char_major_4 module not found. (Account for using TIP)
KDE 1.1 doesn't compile with glibc 2.1 ("T. J. Domsalla")
Re: Managing User Accounts through code (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath! (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath! ("JL")
Re: glibc 2.1 ;) (Nix)
Re: @@GLIBC (Nix)
Re: memcpy from process to process in module (Stefan Monnier)
Setting up a SuperUser Account (Kevin Miller)
Re: AGP display card ("m")
Re: 2.0.36 compile error: Help! (Paul Kimoto)
Re: spurious inter-package dependencies (Ed Cogburn)
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath! (Johan Kullstam)
Re: AGP display card ("Paul R. Bennett")
Re: Modest next goal for Linux (Emile van Bergen)
Re: Modest next goal for Linux (Emile van Bergen)
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From: Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glibc 2.1 ;)
Date: 21 Feb 1999 07:39:00 +0100
>>>>> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
> Okay... I'll be blunt.
> For whatever smegging reason, (the gods only know what), glibc-2.1
> has been pulled. That's said, and done. Why, you can easily argue
> endlessly in the gnu.* groups and any advocacy group here. But that doesn't
> solve the problem: When will the next good release of glibc be, will there
> be any binary dists, and what sort of time frame would there be for it?
> I'm using glibc-2.0.7pre6, compiled on my own, unfortunately
> without the crypt add-on, and it's coming to sting me with a couple of
> programs that I would like to use. glibc-2.1 compiled clean for me, but
> failed on make check/test/whatever. I was calling myself coming here for
> any questions, etc. on how to get through those, and emailing GNU, until
> I saw this thread. So the question above remains. Despite all the
> going back and forth on what things break, what doesn't, etc...
> When will the next release of GLIBC be?
For now you can get glibc 2.1 from sourceware.cygnus.com. The next
release of glibc will most probably be 2.1.1 but I don't have any
times. I don't know neither when the "political issues" regarding
egcs/gcc have been solved. There will be no binary distribution of
glibc from the glibc developers but you might get binaries from one of
the distributions like RedHat or Debian.
Please report your `make check' failure with the glibcbug script to
the bug tracking system.
Andreas
--
Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
for pgp-key finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Subject: Re: Long UID/GID and POSIX compliance
Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:22:21 -0600
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Martin Recktenwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> IIRC 32 bit uids/gids are likely to be added along the 2.3.x
> development tree. Currently you have to live with 16 bit uids/gids.
Or hack the kernel nfs support to add in a hash table to translate
UID's/GID's. This would have implications aside from being able to use
more than the 15 bits. You could deal with not having a uniform UID
space everywhere. You could even "squash" multiple client users to the
same server-side user.
The hash table should probably be per-mount. It manifests itself as
binary data in a /proc file you can read or overwrite. A user-space
program generates the table using gperf to make it as efficient as
possible.
Pity that I have too many other ideas of things I'd like to hack on if
I had more time ... this one has possibilities. (Tonight I think I'll
see if I can make ext2 volume labels show up automatically as symlinks
in /dev(fs)/labels/. Doesn't seem complicated....)
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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From: David Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath!
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:41:34 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And you would think that this guy is only out to net techno nerds with
the groups he posts to. Am I the only one that doesn't care that Jesus
is lord?
{Insert rant that would generally piss this guy off but that I'm too
tired to type out}
OBVIOUSLY you've mistaken me for someone who vaguely gives a shit about
your pathetic little life, christian.
Fred Alse wrote:
>
> WOW.
>
> There IS someone nuttier than Tim Rue !
>
> Fred Alse.
>
> FitugMix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
> >
> >
--
David Allen
http://members.xoom.com/uruk/index.html
========================================
When I say the magic word to all these people, they will vanish forever.
I will then say the magic words to you, and you, too, will vanish --
never
to be seen again.
-- Kurt Vonnegut Jr., "Between Time and Timbuktu"
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From: Grant<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Free stuff on the net
Date: 21 Feb 1999 10:37:52 GMT
Please check out my free stuff page, magazines,coupons, CDs etc.
http://www.corosswinds.net/montreal/~electgra/freestuf.html While you are there check
out my Electronic and computer web page.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc D. Williams)
Subject: opendir in -ldir. Was ist?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 Feb 1999 12:45:11 -0800
This is just one of those ``wondering'' things.
When running configure one gets something like
checking for opendir in -ldir
I'm just curious as to what this library is and its function
and whether or not it would be useful to have.
Thanks,
--
>>ANIME SENSHI<<
Marc D. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Platform/8269/ -- Windows 3.x Makeover
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From: Account for using TIP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux 2.2.1 with SMP power management problem.
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:28:40 +0100
I have a dual processor and so was keep to use the new kernel. However I
found that during bootup
I got messages about APM not being compatible with SMP and after 20
minutes my whole system
hung. A reboot required a fsck of all partitions (i.e. slooooow) and
then the same happened again 20 minutes later.
I eventually guessed what was wrong and disabled APM in the BIOS. Now I
can run as long
as I like.
The developers are only doing Linux a disfavour by doing tricks like
this. It should be included as a caveat in the documentation and in the
help during config.
Auto powerdown after shutdown does not work. It did with SMP in 2.0.35
so why not now?????
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From: Account for using TIP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: char_major_4 module not found.
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:31:37 +0100
When booting Linux 2.2.1 I get about 20 messages saying that module
char-major-4 was not found.
What is going on? How can I activate support for major unit type 4 in
the kernel?
David.
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From: "T. J. Domsalla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDE 1.1 doesn't compile with glibc 2.1
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:30:41 +0100
Hi!
Since I installed glibc 2.1 I cannot configure and make KDE 1.1 anymore.
I did it before with glibc 2.0.7 and it worked fine. Now I get the message
cross compiling=yes (from the c++ compilier, egcs 1.1.1) and "don't know
how to make 32 bit long integer".
SuSE 6.0, glibc 2.1, libstdc++ 2.8.1.1 /w glibc 2.1 patch installed, gcc
2.9.*
and egcs 1.1.1.
I need advice. Thanks in advance.
T. J.
--
T. J. D O M S A L L A_________________________________
+49 (0) 171/5132128 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
____________________________http://www.domsalla.de/tj/
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,linux.dev.admin,linux.dev.newbie
Subject: Re: Managing User Accounts through code
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:29:20 +0100
How about creating a client server model via RPC calls.
You can give certain paramters to the RPC with username, password,
groups etc.
Then those parameters will be used in the adduser program.
RPC programming is abit tricky though. But with Java you can do nice
socketprogramming.
Raymond
Mark wrote:
>
> I need to write a daemon that adds/removes users.
> My programming experiance revolves around NT and linux is new to me.
> I have the deamon up and running etc now i "just" need to maniplate the user
> accounts.
>
> How do i do it?
> This is what ive come up with:
> call adduser/useradd - You need to enter in details manually - how do you
> capture
> the input stream the adduser process uses to send it the user details?
>
> Manually do it all - how do i create the encrypted field in the passwd file
> or shadow file?
>
> Im looking for the most easy/solid/portable solution i can get my hands on
> and any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Sorry if these questions seem a bit basic but i just cant get my hands on an
> easy to use linux programming manual (ive been spoilt with VC++ help
> manuals).
>
> Mark
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath!
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:49:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Allen wrote:
May I ask all you lunatics out there to stop posting trash like that to
groups whose readers ...
ARE NOT INTERESTED AT ALL IN READING FROM YOU
...
How about searching for some other planet ... in some other solar system ...
in some other dimension ... there are so many black holes out there, I am
sure we will find one for you too ... with a nice little black garden, nice
little black windows and *no* connection to anywhere ...
I can't believe it
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From: "JL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath!
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:49:18 -0800
You have to wonder, if the guy is such a 'law abiding' Christian, then why
is he cruising through what is so obviously a GAY News Group ?
I think he doth protest too much - just like a little closet case
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From: Nix <$}xin{$@esperi.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: glibc 2.1 ;)
Date: 20 Feb 1999 13:04:52 +0000
Daren Scot Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Scary, the trouble some linuxers have had with the new glibc. Just today I
> compiled glibc 2.1, the new kernel 2.2.1, and toyed with egcs but didn't like
> it - programs it made ran slower than those form gcc 2.8.1,
Some will run slower, some will run faster. In general it is better at
optimising but the things that will make a big difference to the ix86
platform are still being worked on (reload hackery and the md rewrite
for ix86).
gcc-2.8.1 will generate incorrect code in more cases than will egcs,
especially in cases involving C++ and exception handling (or so my
fading memory tells me).
> and it griped about
> things in the source code.
Er, yes, if you turn on warnings it will warn you about things, and egcs
has more warnings than gcc (-Weffc++ for starters, and the `int main
must return int' thing, although I think that's only in the snapshots at
the moment). Complaining because a compiler warns you about things after
you ask it to do so is silly IMHO.
--
`In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there
is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take
away.' - RFC1925, Rule #12.
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From: Nix <$}xin{$@esperi.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: @@GLIBC
Date: 20 Feb 1999 13:05:54 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl) writes:
> >The current version of GLIBC I have, has no @@GLIBC2.0, should I get
> >a newer one?, If so, which? Are the older symbols still supported, e.g.,
>
> glibc-2.1 is the current one, not available though right now.
sourceware.cygnus.com is your friend.
--
`In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there
is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take
away.' - RFC1925, Rule #12.
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From: Stefan Monnier
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: memcpy from process to process in module
Date: 20 Feb 1999 12:24:16 -0500
>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This facility is specified by POSIX and SVR4 as the mlockall(), and
> munlockall() system calls, so it would be worth having under Linux.
What exactly makes you think that it is not available under Linux ?
Stefan
PS: `man mlockall' is your friend.
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From: Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Setting up a SuperUser Account
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:42:01 GMT
Hi guys,
I'm looking to set up a user so he can gain superuser level access to
the server. But when I set it up, he cant gain access or have
permissions to compile below his set directory. I have looked through to
books on the subject, but I'm still missing something. Can I buy a clue
on this subject from anyone?
Thanks in advance,
Kevin
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From: "m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AGP display card
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,hk.comp.os.linux
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:46:44 GMT
check out www.xfree86.org for detail about X windows support of cards
AGP cards work, but not all chipesets are supported. Your card should work
at some level with the minimal VGA.
jackHC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<7apc9m$g3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> hi, does anyone know that Linux 2.0.36 support AGP display card?
>
> since i got 1 AGP display card w/SIS6326 chip, and hope it can work with
my
> Linux.
>
> If the answer is no, can somebody provide me the way to program the
driver
> myself?
>
> Thank you for your kind attention.
> Best Regards.
> jackHC, HK Linux User Group
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 2.0.36 compile error: Help!
Date: 20 Feb 1999 14:57:28 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nix wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/egcs-1.0.3-glibc.x86.tar.bz2
> That's a bloody old egcs. 1.1.1 is the latest, and 1.1.2 should be out
> by the time this article has propagated to the ends of the net.
That's the binary released by H.J. Lu, who removed an egcs-1.1.1
binary in anticipation of the upcoming 1.1.2. However, currently
1.1.2 is at the state of "egcs-2.91.61 19990216 (egcs-1.1.2
pre-release-1)", and H.J. Lu has complained that still some things
aren't working as he would like in 1.1.2; it may be March before
1.1.2 is released.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: spurious inter-package dependencies
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:12:15 -0500
"Adam P. Jenkins" wrote:
>
> Stefan Monnier
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > I'm getting tired of RedHat's packages having unnecessary
> > dependencies (like `slang < 0.99.38-4 conflicts with
> > ncurses3-1.9.9e-6' although I fail to see why ncurses should have
> > any relation with slang. Or `xterm-color is needed by
> > fvwm2-2.0.46-8.1' although I can clearly use fvwm2 without
> > xterm-color).
> >
> > Does anybody know if/which other distribution has a saner policy
> > that allows picky people like myself to only install packages they
> > use ?
>
> I don't think this is a problem with RPM as much as it's a problem
> with those particular rpms. When rpm creates a new binary package, it
> tries to automatically detect which shared libraries this package
> depends on. Other than that, all dependencies are specified manually.
> For example someone must have explicitly specified that the fvwm2
> package depends on xterm-color when they created the fvwm2 package.
> They could just as easily have done that with Debian's package system.
>
> As far as ncurses and slang conflicting, that's because they both try
> to install some files in the same place. Again this is not specific
> to RPM; it's just as possible to, for example, create different Debian
> packages that try to install files with the same names.
On Debian, ncurses and slang *can* coexist.
> As far as a solution, if you verify that the dependency or conflict
> really doesn't matter, you can just use the --force option, or one of
> the more specific install options to rpm, to ignore the warnings. See
> the rpm man page for more details.
Generally, I think Debian has a better system, overall. IMHO, of
course. The auto-upgrade via ftp is killer (I haven't used RH in
a long time, so maybe they do this as well as Debian, I don't
know). The stable releases rarely have these kind of problems,
although, yes, a package maintainer can, by accident, create the
same kind of problems.
--
Ed C.
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Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath!
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 21 Feb 1999 19:57:51 -0500
"Jim H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The assumption seems to be that just because we are gay, we can't also be
> Christians. It's a pretty narrow minded viewpoint. If we don't practice our
> religion and worship EXACTLY like he does we must be wrong. Well, if there
> really is a day of reckoning there will be one hell of a big line of
> "so-called" Christians trying to come up with the right answers.
no, to be a *real* christian, your opening sentence needs to be *at
least* 50 words.
--
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: "Paul R. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,hk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: AGP display card
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:54:19 -0500
For what it is worth, I went up and got the latest Xfree 3.3.3.1 for support
for my Cirrus Logic 5465. Unfortuntely I messed up the installation and will
have to re-do it. I am running Slackware 3.5
Paul
jackHC wrote:
> hi, does anyone know that Linux 2.0.36 support AGP display card?
>
> since i got 1 AGP display card w/SIS6326 chip, and hope it can work with my
> Linux.
>
> If the answer is no, can somebody provide me the way to program the driver
> myself?
>
> Thank you for your kind attention.
> Best Regards.
> jackHC, HK Linux User Group
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From: Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Modest next goal for Linux
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:07:40 +0100
Konrad Mierendorff wrote:
>
> Thomas Boroske wrote:
> >
> > Konrad Mierendorff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Liang-Shing Ng wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is it possible to achieve my modest requirement of "guanranteed limited
> > > > time response" in X window? i.e. When my Netscape started swapping, I
> > > > want my cursor can still be responsive and move on to other windows and
> > > > do some things.
> > >
> > > I don't know if it really improves your system, but you could change the
> > > priority for kswapd. (It just a suggestion - I never tried that)
> > > But anyway, you cannot use your other applications effectively while
> > > netscape or another programm is swapping.
> >
> > And why is that so ? The only likely explanation I could ever come up with
> > is that because the X server tends to consume quite a large part of
> > your memory (53.6 % in my case) it will also be the top contender
> > when it comes to swapping pages out.
> > If these pages are needed when you move the mouse, drag windows etc,
> > thing´s won´t go smoothly.
>
> Moving the cursor doesn't need the pages. It simply needs some CPU time
> which it doesn't get while swapping in/out.
It does. It needs the pages that hold the code that moves the pointer,
i.e. X. If [portions of] X get swapped out, the pointer will be
sluggish.
--
M.vr.gr. / Best regards,
Emile van Bergen (e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
This e-mail message is 100% electronically degradeable and produced
on a GNU/Linux system.
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From: Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Modest next goal for Linux
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:26:40 +0100
Konrad Mierendorff wrote:
>
> Emile van Bergen wrote:
> >
> > Konrad Mierendorff wrote:
> <snip>
> > > Moving the cursor doesn't need the pages. It simply needs some CPU time
> > > which it doesn't get while swapping in/out.
> >
> > It does. It needs the pages that hold the code that moves the pointer,
> > i.e. X. If [portions of] X get swapped out, the pointer will be
> > sluggish.
>
> Well I didn't think about that, but on the other hand its not very
> likely that this particular code is swapped out because you move your
> mouse quite regularly.
You're right, but X is big. Apart from that, if you move the pointer,
you generate
enter/leave/move events for probably a lot of widgets from a lot of
processes that will be awakened because there is data arriving from X.
--
M.vr.gr. / Best regards,
Emile van Bergen (e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
This e-mail message is 100% electronically degradeable and produced
on a GNU/Linux system.
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