On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:21:02 +0100 Jan Kara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu 08-02-07 01:45:29, Andrew Morton wrote:
>  <snip>
> > >   I though Andreas meant "any write changes" - i.e. you check that noone
> > > has open file descriptor for writing and block any new open for writing.
> > > That can be done quite easily.
> > >   Anyway, I agree with you that userspace solution to a possible page
> > > cache pollution is preferable after thinking about it for a while.
> > > As I've been thinking about it, we could actually do the copying
> > > from user space. We could do something like:
> > >   block any writes to file (as I described above)
> > >   craft new inode with blocks allocated as we want (using preallocation,
> > >     we should mostly have the kernel infrastructure we need)
> > >   copy data using splice syscall
> > >   call the kernel to switch data
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't think we need to block any writes to any file or anything.
> > 
> > To move a page within a file:
> > 
> >     fd = open(file);
> >     p = mmap(fd);
> >     the_page_was_in_core = mincore(p, offset);
> >     munmap(p);
> >     ioctl(fd, ..., new_block);
> > 
> >                     <kernel>
> >                     read_cache_page(inode, offset);
> >                     lock_page(page);
> >                     if (try_to_free_buffers(page)) {
> >                             <relocate the page>
> >                             set_page_dirty(page);
> >                     }
> >                     unlock_page(page);
> > 
> >     if (the_page_was_in_core) {
> >             sync_file_range(fd, offset SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_BEFORE|
> >                                             SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE|
> >                                             SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_AFTER);
> >             fadvise(fd, offset, FADV_DONTNEED);
> >     }
> > 
> > completely coherent with pagecache, quite safe in the presence of mmap,
> > mlock, O_DIRECT, everything else.  Also fully journallable in-kernel.
>   Yes, this is the simple way. But I see two disadvantages:
> 1) You'd like to relocate metadata (indirect blocks) too.

Well.  Do we really?  Are we looking for a 100% solution here, or a 90% one?

Relocating data is the main thing.  After that, yeah, relocating metadata,
inodes and directories is probably a second-order thing.

> For that you need
>    a different mechanism.

I suspect a similar approach will work there: load and lock the
buffer_heads (or maybe just the top-level buffer_head) and then alter their
contents.  It could be that verify_chain() will just magically do the right
thing there, but some changes might be needed.

> In my approach, you can mostly assume you've got
>    sanely laid out metadata and so the existence of such mechanism is not
>    so important.
> 2) You'd like to allocate new blocks in big chunks. So your kernel function
>    should rather take a range. Also when you fail in the middle of
>    relocating a file (for example the block you'd like to use is already
>    taken by someone else), I find it nice if you can return at least to the
>    original state. But that's probably not important.

Well yes, that was a minimal sketch.
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