Linux-Hardware Digest #874, Volume #13 Sat, 11 Nov 00 00:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Linksys LNE100TX not being detected. (Dave Johns)
ATA 100 controler ? (Xavier Mela)
SuSe 7.0, router & cable modem??? ("Bill Crocker")
Re: Inspiron setup and Disk use ("Tony C")
OLD monitor. Help ? (Jonas Alver)
Adaptec 2100 S Raid Controller ("Trey Nolen")
Re: L2 cache? on Pentium 3 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Adaptec 2940UW and Mandrake 7.1 & 7.2 - nothing but problems!! (Mike Mattix)
Re: PIII vs Athlon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Camera & Colour printer, any ideas? (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: Sound Drivers.... help !!! (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: RH7 on Promise Ultra/66 (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: intel i810_audio does not produce sound (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: modem (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: help, RH7 missing EATA drivers (Anthony Ewell)
Re: Cant assign IRQ to 3c905B on an ASUS A7V, 2.2.16/17! (Dances With Crows)
Plug and Play Linux (Edward Westin)
Need driver for "SIS 6326 AGP" video card (Darwin)
Re: ATAPI cd writer (Dances With Crows)
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. ("Les Mikesell")
My Aopen's wheel mouse doesn't work (Dr Aldo Medina)
Re: ATAPI cd writer ("Peter T. Breuer")
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From: Dave Johns <odin@.grunge.gte.net>
Subject: Re: Linksys LNE100TX not being detected.
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:19:19 GMT
http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html
Had to enable the PCI slot as master on an older comp.
-Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ok, here's what is going on. I have a Linksys LNE100TX in a Gateway
> 2000 P5-100 and in a gateway 2000 E-5200 Dual PII 350. When I
> cat /proc/pci I don't see any info regarding the card. I am running
> RedHat 6.1 on both systems. The P5 is using kernel 2.2.17 and the PII
> is using 2.3.99-pre9, and the modules have compiled fine on both
> systems.
>
> Neither of the systems will detect the card in NT only win98. I
> disabled Plug & Play on the P5 and still nothing. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Aaron
> -------------------------------------------------
> ==>HEAD!! PANTS NOW<==
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: Xavier Mela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ATA 100 controler ?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:56:05 -0500
Hi !
I'm thinking of buying the new Epox EP-8KTA2 socket A motherboard
(caus'it's cheaper than the ASUS A7V or the ABIT, and my budget is
small...). Anyway, the motherboard has two ATA 100 controllers and my
question is simple, can I install linux on the ATA 100 Chanel ? I
understand how you can do it on the ASUS because the ASUS has also two
other ATA66 controllers and you can start by installing linux from
there, patch the kernel for ATA100 support and then switch to the other
port. Is there a way to trick the machine so that it believes first that
my drive is just ATA66 ? I really don't understand much about hardware
I guess...
Thanks in advance!
Xavier
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From: "Bill Crocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SuSe 7.0, router & cable modem???
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:25:57 GMT
I'm running SuSe 7.0, behind a Linksys router, attached to a cable modem,
though Comcast@home. I have a good understanding of TCP/IP, DHCP, etc., but
for the life of me, I am unable to get to the Internet! My NIC is working
fine, as I am able to access, and control the router's configuration. I've
searched the newsgroups, and numerous web sites, and I've found
acknowledgements of the problem, but no solutions. Any advice would
sincerely be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Crocker
Warren, MI
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Inspiron setup and Disk use
From: "Tony C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:38:52 GMT
I've got an INspiron 3000 and have just installed Mandrake 7.1.
There are several Insprion/Linux pages on the net- with some good info.
Have you tried these ?
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From: Jonas Alver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OLD monitor. Help ?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:02:01 GMT
Greetings all!
I recently got an old monitor, hoping to put it to use on a server. When
trying to put it to use I discovered it not being a vga....
Got a new vga->ega cable, but still no luck. Then it is probably a
cga-monitor, but can I use that with a vga-card ?
The monitor is an old AT from '86.Any tips on how (if?) I can get it
working would be greatly appreciated.
Happy computing !
J.Alver
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From: "Trey Nolen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Adaptec 2100 S Raid Controller
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:06:15 GMT
I'm trying to install Debian Potato using the floppy/ftp install. I am using
an Adaptec 2100S controller, and the kernel that the install disk comes with
is not seeing the controller. It has a 789x chip on it, so I thought it
would be supported (it was on the HCL). How can I make an install disk that
will support this controller? Thanks.
Trey Nolen
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Subject: Re: L2 cache? on Pentium 3
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Nov 2000 20:17:29 -0500
Scott Prigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've just noticed that various things indicate missing/not found for my
> L2 cache on p3 450?!
What things are those?
What does `cat /proc/cpuinfo' say?
> The system doesn't seem to be taking a hit, though?
You would definitely notice decreased performance.
> Any ideas as to how to know for sure if I have a processor problem? ..
> any good diagnostic etc
I believe Intel still lets you use their CPU testing tools, but I
don't remember where to find them. You'll need a DOS boot disk for
those, I think.
--
Eric McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In one gloss of the cut interstellarly I must immovable protect the
universe.
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From: Mike Mattix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW and Mandrake 7.1 & 7.2 - nothing but problems!!
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:35:00 -0600
Mike M wrote:
> I have an 2940u/uw with the following attached
>
> Seagate ST39216W
> Plextor UltraPlex 32T
> Yamaha 6416 CDRW
>
> I have installed 7.2 on my 6GB UDMA33 Drive
> on installation it said it detected a 788x (which is correct for the 2940
> range)
> and also my Promise Ultra ATA66 Bios
>
> I have no problems on bootup
>
> and all seems fine
>
> the only prob I have is getting the NVidia + OpenGL drivers installed
>
> regards
>
> Mike M
>
>
> "Robert Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > When I had Mandrake 7.0 - all worked fine! Since 7.1 & 7.2 - I am
> > having nothing but problems with bus resets and timeouts.
> >
> > Latest Adaptec BIOS - works fine with M$ OS's also . . . .
> >
> > Here's a snippet from dmesg:
> >
> > (scsi0) <Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 0/14/0
> > (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs
> > (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 YES, Ext-68 NO)
> > (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 422 instructions downloaded
> > scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.31/3.2.4
> > <Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter>
> > scsi : 1 host.
> > (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
> > Vendor: IBM Model: DNES-309170W Rev: SA30
> > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03
> > Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
> > (scsi0:0:3:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> > Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-ROM PX-32TS Rev: 1.02
> > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
> > Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CRW4260 Rev: 1.0q
> > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > Detected scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 5, lun 0
> > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11
> > sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 6x/6x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
> > SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 17916240 [8748 MB]
> > [8.7 GB]
> > sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 >
> > (scsi0:0:3:-1) Unexpected busfree, LASTPHASE = 0xa0, SEQADDR = 0x15d
> > (scsi0:0:3:-1) Unexpected busfree, LASTPHASE = 0xa0, SEQADDR = 0x15d
> > (scsi0:0:3:-1) Unexpected busfree, LASTPHASE = 0xa0, SEQADDR = 0x15d
> > (scsi0:0:3:-1) Unexpected busfree, LASTPHASE = 0xa0, SEQADDR = 0x15d
> > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 8901, scsi0, channel 0, id
> > 3, lun 0
> > SCSI host 0 abort (pid 8901) timed out - resetting
> > SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0.
> > (scsi0:0:3:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> > (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
> > sr0: CD-ROM not ready. Make sure you have a disc in the drive.
> > CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 1172
> > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 9098, scsi0, channel 0, id
> > 3, lun 0
> > SCSI host 0 abort (pid 9098) timed out - resetting
> > SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0.
> > (scsi0:0:3:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> > (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
> > sr0: CD-ROM not ready. Make sure you have a disc in the drive.
> > CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 1172
> > (scsi0:0:3:-1) Unexpected busfree, LASTPHASE = 0xa0, SEQADDR = 0x15d
> > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 28512, scsi0, channel 0, id
> > 3, lun
> > SCSI host 0 abort (pid 28512) timed out - resetting
> > SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0.
> > (scsi0:0:3:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> > (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
> > sr0: CD-ROM not ready. Make sure you have a disc in the drive.
> > CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 1588
> > cdrom: open failed.
> > VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,0)
> >
> > There is defintely a disk in the drive, but can't seem to get rid of
> > this problem!!!
> > Any help would be appreciated!
>
>
What does the Adaptec startup say? Does it see all devices without
problem? This appears to happen when you access the CD, have you tried it
without the CDRW attached?? You did not mention what you physical config
was? Do you have two CDRWs like the driver scan is trying to say?? It
seems like it finds an IBM disk on lun 0, a Plextor CDR on lun 3, and a
Yamaha CDRW on lun 5. Is that your config?
--
Mike Mattix
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PIII vs Athlon
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:54:39 GMT
"Blaikie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> a hardcoded unstruction is (in most cases) faster than creating teh
> same function from a series of other instructions.
Therein lies the crux of the controversy over the value of the RISC
approach to CPU design.
The "CISC axiom" is that creating hardcoded instructions is faster;
the "RISC axiom" is that the silicon might be more effectively used to
do things like add additional registers that may enhance the
performance of all sorts of instructions.
You may indeed be correct about the one instruction becoming faster,
but if the creation of such additional instructions eats up a whole
lot of silicon, it might have been more worthwhile overall to spend
the silicon on other things.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@hex.net")
<http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/>
"For systems, the analogue of a face-lift is to add to the control
graph an edge that creates a cycle, not just an additional node."
-- Alan Perlis
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Camera & Colour printer, any ideas?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:58:35 GMT
Keith Rhodes wrote:
> I'm looking for a good digital camera and a colour printer.
> The one condition is that they _must_ work with Linux,
> preferably right now, kernel 2.2.15 (Mandrake 7.0).
>
> I've been looking at Hewlett Packard DeskJets, and Epson Stylus;
> they seem likely candidates...
>
> As for the camera, can you get USB readers for the flashcards
> to work with kernel 2.2.14 easily?
>
> KR.
>
http://www.gphoto.org/cameras.html
http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html
http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/
JRT
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sound Drivers.... help !!!
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:03:25 GMT
HERENT Gael wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to know if somebody have linux' drivers for the sound
> chipset of
> the i820 motherboard (AC97).
> Thank you.
I have Kernel 2.2.16.
It says (in "menuconfig") that it has support for intel 820.
You may have a Kernel that doesn't have this built in, in which cause
you will have to build your own.
JRT
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH7 on Promise Ultra/66
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:08:34 GMT
Karan Aggarwal wrote:
> I was trying to install RedHat 7.0 onto my sole HDD connected to a Ultra 66
> controller card. But was not able to do so. I tried all the different
> methods described i the various help files, but to no use. I have checked
> the RH 7 webiste and they apparently have something written about it in the
> documentation that we are supposed to be able to access after
> *installation*. Could someone please help me. I want to get rid of Windows
> once and for all.
>
> Karan
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA-5.html#ss5.1
JRT
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: intel i810_audio does not produce sound
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:25:18 GMT
Ralph Blach wrote:
> I have an intel i810 audio chip on my IBM intellistation Z-pro and I
> cant seem to get it to produce any sound
> Does anybody have any suggestions ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chip
Do you have the module "i810_audio"?
It should be in the directory: "/lib/modules/2.2.xx/misc/" or
"/lib/modules/2.2.xx/sound/?
If so, check the file "/etc/modules.conf"? It should have a line
referring to the module: "i810_audio":
alias <alias-name> i810_audio
The <alias-name> for your system can be found in the file "rc.sysinit"
and is usually "sound" or "sound-slot-0".
JRT
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modem
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:42:03 GMT
Mace Gael wrote:
> I'm looking for a modem PCI RTC working under a kernel version 2.0.36 or
> less. It would be great if you could give setserial parameters.
> Thanks.
I am not sure about PCI support for a Kernel that old. You should check.
I have a 3Com/USRobotics 3CP2976 which works fine as a modem. I have heard
that it is not fully supported for voice applications.
With PCI you cannot know the I/O address or the interupt number because
these are configured by your BIOS. So, the "setesrial" command is:
setserial /dev/ttyS2 port <I/O port> irq <irq> autoconfig
To find <I/O port> and <irq> you need to run:
lspci -v | less
after you install the modem.
JRT
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:50:04 -0800
From: Anthony Ewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: help, RH7 missing EATA drivers
Hi,
Not to answer my own question, but in case anyone
else gets burnt with this problem, here goes:
Red Hat 7.0's boot disk only contains a small sample
of scsi cdrom drivers needed to read your scsi cdrom drive.
To get access to the rest of the scsi drivers, you
have to make up your own floppy from an image
on CD-ROM #1. From Linux, you can use the
following command:
dd if=/cdrom_mount_point/images/drivers.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440k
The images directory also has a DOS method of making
the disk as well.
Editorial comment: Red Hat should include this disk with
their distribution.
--Tony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Cant assign IRQ to 3c905B on an ASUS A7V, 2.2.16/17!
Date: 11 Nov 2000 03:51:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:44:46 -0600, mitch on VID4-3 wrote:
>Carson Thoreen wrote:
>> I'm having a lot of trouble getting linux to assign my 3com ethernet
>> card a proper IRQ (or linux is having trouble reading it from the card)
>> kernel 2.2.17 with 3c90x support compiled in (though had the same
^^^^^
> I am building 4 systems with the ASUS P3V4X motherboards. I am also
>having troubles with the "0" interupt on my 3Com cards, (I tried 3C900,
>3C905tx, and 3C905btx).
> Have you had any luck with your problem ???? I am sweating having to
>eat these motherboards !
Have either of you tried the 3c59x module instead? I've had a number of
problems with 3c90x that were just plain weird and stupid, while the
cards in question (3c905B models) worked just fine with 3c59x. They
performed very well at 10Mbit; could not test them at 100Mbit as both
times the other parts of the network (switches, cabling) were not up to
snuff for 100Mbit. 3c59x should work for 100Mbit though.
BTW, mitch, if you can avoid it, don't compile your networking support
directly into the kernel. It makes it difficult to diagnose and test
problems when you can't unload modules and/or reload them with different
parameters. And Carson, replies on Usenet go *AFTER* the text you're
quoting. That makes it easier for people who jump into the middle of
threads to pick up on the conversation. HTH,
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: Edward Westin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Plug and Play Linux
Date: 10 Nov 2000 21:13:57 -0800
Would someone be so kind as to recommend a current motherboard, video
card, and sound card that once assembled one could just drop in Red
Hat 7 and the components would be autodetected. Is such a thing
possible in Linux? I am interested in the lower end for home use not
necessarily SCSI and my use would not include that much gaming. Has
anyone built a system lately that works will and is similar to what I
describe above? Thank you for any help.
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From: Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Need driver for "SIS 6326 AGP" video card
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:16:02 -0800
I just got a computer and wiped everything out and reinstalled the
Operating System.
I do not have a driver for the "SIS 6326 AGP" video card and the company
that made it is not on the web. I think they went out of business.
Can anyone point me to a driver for this card?
Please email me if you can help!
Thanks
Darwin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: ATAPI cd writer
Date: 11 Nov 2000 04:33:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:42:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>On 10 Nov 2000 01:40:14 GMT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"Post Here, Read Here!" is the time-honored Usenet tradition. If you
>>don't know how to use http://deja.com/home_ps.shtml , then learn. It's
>>very easy to do.
>Oh, I do read here fairly often, though this is the first time I've
>delurked. I just figured getting the reply by mail would be convenient.
>If I somehow breached netiquette, I apologize.
>As for Deja, erf. I'd rather not use it. I use slrn for my Usenetting.
Whoops. Sorry, there are a lot of people who say "please reply to
e-mail" and don't even think that the answer to their question might be
useful to the $BIGNUM people who lurk. The problem with sending E-mail
in a place like this is that the NG is for discussion of issues that
lots of people find interesting... an E-mail reply to a question can
only be used by the receiver, while a post can be read by hundreds if
not thousands of users.
And if you have been lurking, haven't you seen someone else, like the
notable Peter T. Breuer, delivering a fire-n-brimstone sermon on Usenet
ettiquette? :-]
>See, just because I use Red Hat doesn't mean I'm totally clueless. ;)
Eh? Distro choice has little relation to cluefulness; I've seen some
rather clueless people try to use Slack. And I do have RedHat 6.2 on
my main machine... I just don't usually use it.
>Switching distros is actually one thing I'm using the CD writer for.
>Debian, to be precise. I've *tried* to buy CDs, but the one company I
>can find selling them have dragged their feet for months about delivering
>the CDs, so I decided to just download the ISOs and burn them.
You know, I thought I saw a Debian boxed set the last time I was in a
Borders bookstore a month ago. That most likely doesn't help you, but
you never know. I should've snarfed a copy, since I'm stuck on dialup
atm and getting all of Debian through the small pipe would be less than
fun. Anyway, happy burning and sorry for the harsh words....
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 04:35:40 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:6BUO5.2706$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.hardware Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Wasn't the Linux driver included on a floppy in the box with the
> : card? Or, if you already have a dial-up connection working
> : just grab the newest before you switch.
>
> For most newer revisions of the card, the linux driver wasn't new enough.
You mean they included a floppy with a driver that didn't work? I
avoided the problem because I stocked up on the DEC-chip version
of the card when I found out they were changing. Do the new ones
work as well after you get the driver installed? And do the latest
Linux distributions (Mandrake 7.2, RH 7.0, etc.) include the correct
version?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Dr Aldo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: My Aopen's wheel mouse doesn't work
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:56:56 -0600
I use RH 6.2 with a ps/2 mouse. I had to change my genious netmouse
(which worken without problems) for a new aopen netmouse. However now te
wheel doesn't work. I tried imps/2, and genious protocol without
success. What do you suggest?
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATAPI cd writer
Date: 11 Nov 2000 04:49:14 GMT
Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:42:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
:>On 10 Nov 2000 01:40:14 GMT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>See, just because I use Red Hat doesn't mean I'm totally clueless. ;)
: Eh? Distro choice has little relation to cluefulness; I've seen some
: rather clueless people try to use Slack. And I do have RedHat 6.2 on
: my main machine... I just don't usually use it.
Nevertheless, there has to be a correlation. "Evolutionary" pressures
are at work. Distros survive on peoples machines only if they can gain
a toehold in the first place, then they have to survive daily use, and
then they have to survive competition for their diskspace with other
distros seeking the same niche.
Getting the toehold depends on eliciting the aid of a cohost. The
cluefulness of the cohost and the minimal cluefulness level required by
the distro tend to mean that the clueless have most success installing
SuSE, Mandrake, or RH (in that order). But another factor is the
cohosts evaluation of the effort required, which is dependent on
advertising by the distros and the cohosts opinion of themselves. Here
most cohosts tend to have an adjusted opinion of their own cluefulness
and to have heard a lot about RH (in the states), so the clueless
predispose towards installing RH. Another actor is the perceived reward
per effort. Here the predisposition is towards Mandrake.
I.e., yes, Bayesian logic will say that a person who uses redhat is
probably clueless, because redhat is a predominant install choice of
the clueless.
: You know, I thought I saw a Debian boxed set the last time I was in a
: Borders bookstore a month ago. That most likely doesn't help you, but
They're certainly all over shops "here" :-).
Since RS is in the vicinity, I'll try and ask him when debian hurd will
hit the high street.
Peter
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