On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:54:25 +0200 Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> El vie, 13-10-2006 a las 22:37 +0200, Micha Feigin escribió: > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:13:04 +0200 > > Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > El jue, 12-10-2006 a las 00:17 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson escribió: > > > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:43:57PM +0200, Julian Daich wrote: > > > > > > > > > This week I have the opportunity to connect a new Linux PC to the > > > > > Internet with Bezeq´s ADSL via an Adtech( or whatever it is called) > > > > > 600 modem/ ruter. I was surprised to find that there are not > > > > > instructions of how to set the ruter, instead they( Bezeq) give you a > > > > > CD with a program for Window to configure a dialer and a booklet of > > > > > how to install and configure that program which in fact is more > > > > > complicate that doing 138.0.0.10 from your browser from any OS and > > > > > set Admin as username and password as I did to configure the ruter. > > > > > After examining the booklet with more detail I found within the > > > > > technical requirements to have an at least 233Mhz which I suspect is > > > > > to much requirement for a simple dialer. I´m trying to understand why > > > > > Bezeq try to force users to use these dialers since it is more > > > > > complicate to users, uses too much computer resources, costs more > > > > > paper and CDs to Bezeq and from the Bezeq side there is not > > > > > difference in resources if it is the modem or the PC what diales. > > > > > > > > By law, BEZEQ can not sell you access to the Internet. All they can > > > > sell you is access to their public data network which uses the ATM > > > > protocol. > > > > > > > > I have been told, but can not verify, that the ATM network realy has no > > > > speed or access limitations, you can open a virtual connection to anyone > > > > that can receive it. > > > > > > > > I do know that at one time, and they may still do, every ISP had a guest > > > > user id that allowed you to access their network without being a > > > > subscriber. The rates were very high, IMHO only usefull if you wanted to > > > > spend a few minutes testing out an ISP or if you wanted to connect to > > > > another ISP to forward that must-go-out email when yours was down. > > > > > > > > What you call a modem is really an ethernet to ATM proctol converter > > > > or packet assembler/disassmbler or PAD. > > > > > > > > Therefore they have to use a VPN aka tunnel to connect you directly with > > > > your ISP. The ISP then can regulate your data rates and access. > > > I understand, and maybe I was not so clear with my posting. My question > > > is why Bezeq gives you a CD with a dialer instead to teach you to > > > configure the VPN which resides inside the little blackbox( aka modem or > > > ruter) which is quite easier and straightforward to do. In fact, at > > > least for the Adtech modem, you do not need the CD program which Bezeq > > > calls¨ dialer¨. Is for what it makes me suspect that maybe this program > > > is more than a dialer. > > > > > > > This way they can give the same instructions to everyone regardless of the > > modem. > > > > It also translates network errors for the help-desk (I once gave them the > > verbal error linux gave me and they were stomped since it was not the numer > > that they use to look up in the book which tells them how to guide you) > > > > > Now it makes sense. > My problem is that when I see those CDs I recall the CDs which come with > every piece of hardware intended for Windows( Lexmark and most webcams > are the champions). These¨ drivers¨ usually installs heavy programs > docked in your system tray with a bunch of security holes, features that > nobody needs and report every single thing that you do to their mother > company. > And if you go in that direction, the recording that plays while you wait tells you to reboot your computer (my gateway is a mac running linux and the fact that it has been up for three months before the error occurred didn't stop them from asking me to do the reboot first and ask question later windows routine). As for the cd, AFAIK they install drivers for "dumb" modems, pppoe drivers or a vpn when needed, configure the windows dialer, completely mess up the explorer settings and possibly install a wrapper that calls the windows dialer. I don't think it installs any spyware, but I may be naive (doesn't look so from the task manager). Except for the vpn and the modem drivers when needed you can set it all up without the cd. The computer requirements are probably to handle the overhead of pppoe along with explorer. The modems as AFAIK mostly have two modes of operation (depending on how smart they are), the usually used ethernet to atm bridge (several methods for that), with a ethernet over usb option for the usb ones, over which you run pppoe or vpn, or a home gateway mode which is aimed at connecting a router behind the modem which does it's pppoe connection intself and then acts as the gateway. They usually don't advertise that option. Apart from all the above mentioned reasons it's probably also so that they can sell a much more expensive home network option beside the cheep modem. Where's the extra money if you know that you can do it yourself without paying them for it? > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > HOT uses the same mechanism to connect their customers, but with an > > > > added twist. Routers made for the U.S. market assume that the "gateway" > > > > is the IP address of both the IP gateway off of the local segment and > > > > the tunneling host. In Israel they are seperate and most routers sold > > > > in the U.S. will not work on HOT's network. > > > > > > > > There is a way around it, since HOT's network is IP over token ring, > > > > they can set up your connection so that all packets from your cable > > > > modem go to your ISP, allowing you a direct DHCP connection. Some ISPs > > > > do it, some won't, some charge for it, all require you to talk to many > > > > customer service people before you find one that understands what you > > > > want. :-) > > > > > > > > In the rest of the world, the company that sells you your xDSL service > > > > is also your ISP, so a VPN/tunnel is not needed. > > > > > > > > Geoff. > > > > ================================To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message > > body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ================================================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
