On Tuesday 14 November 2006 02:45, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > > I'll be happier if you convince me that this is all completely wrong...
How can one convince you that your prophecy of something that has not happened yet is wrong ? It may be true, and then again, it may be not true. No one knows. If you want to hear what my hunches are, I think you're overly worried, and I am not sure for how long Novell and Microsoft's interests are going to coincide. This "marriage" is an unholy marriage, and the "bride" was probably not the first choice of the "groom". In my opinion, no virtualization platform available today is a real choice for high powered servers. It's nice for developers, and servers that are doing little (especially when I/O bound processing is in question). Since I don't see yet a virtualization platform that really threatens the dedicated servers world, and since the 1U high powered servers platform prices decrease all the time, I am not sure why all this "hooha " was made of this agreement. Just FYI: A vmware license would cost minimum $4000 for the basic 2CPU server. A server which you can run say, 10 machines on, with good performance per machine would be a 16GB 2xquad core CPU machine, with at least 2 gbit/s interfaces available. It would require 15k rpm disks, or if using a central storage to hold the OSs on, a 4gbit/s interface for fibre-channel or a bundle of at least 2xgigabit/s iscsi. Assuming this server would cost some $12,000, and the VMware license some $4000-$6000, and yearly maintenance of some $2000, this deal costs in 3 years at least $22,000 (one should also include the maintenance on the server itself, probably some 8-12%, which makes it a total of $24k). (prices will probably be higher for commercial companies, the prices we get in the academia are better). For $24k, you can buy 10 DL360 machines from HP, and have "פחת" on all the sum, and of course get better performance, alot better redundancy, and less problems. If you wanted to have good redundancy as well, you'd need two VMware machines, and 2 vmotion licenses, and a central iSCSI or fibrechannel storage. The VMware/XEN/whatever bundle is not good for servers. It's good for engineering/software companies that want to create and dismantle debug/test environments on the fly, without the need to buy hardware and wait for purchase. It is good for such development projects and test environments, and also for servers that don't do much, and then you can load 20-30 machines on the server I described above, without worrying about redundancy, since the services are not mission critical, and as such, no need for 2 VMware servers and vmotion. --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html ================================================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
