On 11/10/2007, Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Amos, > There is no built-in development framework in SVN like there is in > ClearCase UCM. With SVN you can role your own development framework using > the hooks, but that's very different from having one ready-made for you. > IMHO the decision point is the size of the organization. With less that 30 > developers in not more than two locations you can afford to make your own > procedures and get by. At Tivoli in Austin (shortly before the sale to > IBM), when we got to 50 developers the cracks started to show.
I see where you are getting at but do not share the stage where you say that ClearCase is the clear winner. Kfir has already mentioned Trac and there are probably many other projects built on top of SVN to bridge the gap between plain revision control and a higher-level project management. Also companies like Tikal that I mention in another message try to provide the missing links on top of CVS/SVN, or at least seem to be in the market for providing such solutions. Also - it sounds a bit like you view CVS as representative of SVN, which is not. CVS is horrible and basically some sort of a hack to share RCS files over the net, SVN has a very clean design and tries (successfully, IMHO) to address many of the shortcomings of CVS without making CVS users loose the advantage of their familiarity with CVS. Finally, I heard from people who worked at CheckPoint (Shachar? not sure, I knew a few) and other places who worked or tried to work with ClearCase (NOT open-source bigots and at a time when the open source alternatives pretty much were CVS or RCS) about their ordeal with ClearCase and they all summed it up as a horrible tool which wastes tons of the user's time, even when "ClearCase Master" was assigned to maintain it full time. Then again, I do not have personal experience with ClearCase or very large development teams so maybe my opinion isn't worthy. --Amos
