On 7/25/08, Imri Zvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why do you think any system was hacked? > > It seems you do not understand how it works - they don't hack into any ISP > managed system. They don't need to. They either: > > 1. phish the username and password. > 2. get it from *your* computer using a trojan. > 3. try and guess easy passwords/usernames. > 4. actually *buy* an account, pretending to be your average Moshe from Hulon > customer.
Stay naive. these are the easy cases. BTW, which ISP hosted the Bank Israel web site? > > Spammers from abroad will mostly use methods 1 to 3. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: sara fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri 25/07/2008 14:12 > To: Imri Zvik > Cc: Arik Baratz; linux-il > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting > > > > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Imri Zvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 1. This is not a question, but a statement, and quite a stupid one if I > may. Do you really expect a serious answer? How are those related? > > > Indeed it's a statement. If you didn't understand the sarcasm, too bad. > > > > > 2. Please clarify this question. > > > The question refers to how spamming works. > > Hacking into the system-> privelege escalation-> spamming (and this is only > one aspect after the system was hacked). DDos is a much nicer effect from > the hacker standpoint of view. > > How ISP deal with the fact that their systems were hacked? > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: sara fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri 25/07/2008 13:49 > To: Imri Zvik > Cc: Arik Baratz; linux-il > > > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting > > > Why ISP will spend time to block spammers, when they spend their time to > block/shape/inspect p2p, voip and other protocols. After all this saves much > more money. > > I would like to ask a more general question. If spammers from abroad use > Israeli ISP, it means that their systems were already compromised. How ISP > see such a thing? > > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Imri Zvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I cannot discuss this further when you refuse to give ANY factual > data. You publicy trash people (the abuse@ and all the other people behind > that ISP) with quite a harsh words, and refuse to back it up with facts. > You, yet again, dismiss my attempts to help you, saying it's > won't > help (???). It seems you don't really want to be helped, but just taking > advantage of the free and cheap shot. > > I will be glad if you can also forward these complaints you say > that > have been ignored by the abuse@ - I'm also interested to know why they were > ignored. > If you have sensetive information you don't want posted on this > list > - you can always mail it to me off-list. > > I must emphasize this - almost 24 hours after the original > flametory > post, I still didn't get ANYTHING to work with. > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] בשם Arik Baratz > > > Date: ו 25/07/2008 05:21 > To: linux-il > > > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting > > > > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Imri Zvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Let me get this straight - You claim you already know of a > specific user that is abusing you over and over. You complain that this ISP > is not willing to help. I'm offering to help you, and I'm in the position to > do so. > You refuse with the lame excuse I (or the company I work > for) > might sue you? COME ON. Sounds quite evasive to me. If you really care and > want something to be done, you can use my help - If you want to continue > with this trolling, please, stop wasting my time. > > > > > This doesn't become you, Imri. > > I will send the LIST OF USERS that are spamming me to the abuse > address. If hypothetically, you are the ISP discussed, you should be able to > help me then. > > Just give me some time to write a python script to download my > spam > folders and sort through the headers to find them. > > Besides, what good does it do to me that you're going to close > the > users' account this one singular time? I'm talking about years of continued > abuse by many of your users. It's not going to be a one-off, and if mail to > abuse doesn't seem to help, this one-off isn't going to do much of a > difference anyway. > > So if I automate my scripts to the level that I can trust them to > run unattended, I might be able to make it run on a regular basis and send > automated messages to abuse, complete with headers and PGP signed, and then > create a graph showing exactly how effective the abuse complaints are (i.e. > how many messages I got after the first complaint and for how long). It > might be an interesting experiment. I have however just recently relocated > and am still pretty busy in a new role, location, country and continent so > it will take some time. > > If it works out I might even do it for all Israeli ISPs and > track it > on a web page... Hmm... > > -- Arik > > > > > > > > >
