On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:50:16PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 22:18, Shachar Shemesh <shac...@shemesh.biz> wrote: > > Hi Tzafrir, as well as anyone else who want to pursue this development > > independently. > > > > I think the community is having a hard time wrapping its head around a > > fundamental fact of the new keyboard standard. This is not an open source > > project. This is a committee. It is manned by people who are all with the > > best of intentions, and the discussion is surprisingly ego-free, and yet, > > this is still a committee, with all the negative association that go with > > that word. I'm doing my best to make the process open, but I'm beginning to > > ask myself whether I'm not, actually, causing more damage than good. > > > > In the end, the SII will issue a standard. Like it or not, this is what will > > get implemented on most computers out there. Ideally, this standard is what > > will get implemented on ALL computers out there. As such, I think it is best > > to try and make sure that this standard is as good as we can make it. > > > > However, since this is a committee standard, it takes time. The committee > > meets once a month, and for a few hours at a time (next meeting is > > tomorrow). There is so much progress we can make during one meeting (hence > > the lack of maqaf, gershaim, and other characters that exist in lyx but not > > in the current version of the draft). I completely understand people's > > impatience, but this is just how things are. It will likely take AT LEAST > > three more months to completely agree upon the keyboard, and AT LEAST one > > more month for the standard to reach the point where it is officially > > published to the public to receive comments. It is no news to me that, for > > an open source project, that speed is a crawl. There is positively nothing > > anyone can do about it, as far as I can tell. > > > > Creating forks and branches may lead to one of two outcomes, as far as I can > > see, neither desirable. The least bad outcome is that no-one will use your > > repo, and you would have wasted time and effort. The worst case, however, is > > that your repo is widely successful, but incompatible with the end standard. > > As such, I think it is best to keep the feedback flowing where the SII > > sub-committee can pick it up. > > > > Thankfully, Hamakor has a couple of representatives at the committee, and > > one of them (yours truly) did his best to make the process as transparent as > > possible. The best way to get your feedback considered by the committee > > (before reaching the public comments stage, that is) is by reading all the > > comments on the blog post Tzafrir pointed to, and then, if what you said is > > not redundant to what was already said, leave a comment with it. I think it > > is the only sane way to make sure your comments actually get considered by > > the standard while it is being drafted. > > > > Hi Shachar. I notice that the RLM and LRM are not implemented in the > new keyboard layout. You might want to mention to the rest of the > committee that there exist users who use the lyx layout specifically > for those two most useful characters. Please, do not remove them!
They are in the il_proposed file (If they weren't, they would be extra characters I would have to add to my mapping :-) . If you're a veteran lyx layout user, note that they moved to AltGr-9 and AltGr-0. According to the comments in the discussion I linked to, it was added to the layout a bit later, folloiwng comments by Amir Aharoni. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il | | best tzaf...@debian.org | | friend _______________________________________________ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
