On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:32:34 +0200
From: E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il>
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <y...@tkos.co.il>
Cc: ILUG <linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Re: [OT somewhat] DDOS attacks, where to report?
The customer/the ISP can purchase specialized firewalls to defend against
DOS/DDOS attacks.
Hi Eliyahu,
Which Israeli ISP's offer such services? Do any of them?
The subject of the attack can try to approach the local police and in some
cases they will work on taking down the botnet, see for instance Dutch police,
FBI and other European forces spending time on these cases.
Do the Israeli police actually investigate DDOS incidents originating in
foreign countries?
But unless your friend shows that he is taking serious steps to prevent this
type of thing in the future no ISP has to allow him onto their network, there
are ISPs that specialize in hosting sites that are prone to being attacked but
the price is
obviously accordingly.
For example?
- yba
Regards,
Eliyahu - אליהו
2013/1/26 Jonathan Ben Avraham <y...@tkos.co.il>
Hi Shimi,
You are suggesting that there is no recourse to DDOS attacks, that
Israelis are fair game for foreign attacks and it is no one's business except
for the victim.
The ISP does need to "suffer" in this case, in that the ISP has allowed
an act of war to be committed through his service. I see little difference between this
and the cab drivers who transport illegal workers from the Palestinian
territories to jobs in Israel. We require the drivers to take some
responsibility for whom they transport.
I am suggesting that ISP's be charged with some level responsibility for
investigating and reporting these attacks. That's in the national interest. I
suspect that in the cases of large institutions, even non-governmental
institutions
such as banks, that there is in fact some national response, but that
this protection is not currently extended to smaller players. If a rocket hit's
your home you get some protection at the national level. If a DDOS attack from a
hostile government attacks your business, it's not in the national
interest to provide some level of protection?
- yba
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, shimi wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:20:30 +0200
From: shimi <linux...@shimi.net>
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <y...@tkos.co.il>
Cc: ILUG <linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Re: [OT somewhat] DDOS attacks, where to report?
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Jonathan Ben Avraham
<y...@tkos.co.il> wrote:
Dear Linux-IL colleagues,
An associate of mine who runs a hosting service has been the
victim of persistent DDOS attack, apparently from botnets that are mainly
located on other countries.
His Israeli service providers have responded to these attacks
by cutting off his service.
Is there someone in ISOC-IL
Don't know (even if they would, what power do they have? besides
being the .il domain registration expensive monopoly....)
or the police who will take a complaint seriously?
They most probably won't. Not to mention that even if they would,
you can't police foreign countries. You need Interpol. Do you think that's
gonna happen?
I suggested that he file a complaint with the police, then
with the copy of the complaint in-hand ask his attorney to call the service
providers to demand restoration of service.
Did he read his contract? Did he notice "if the customer becomes a
detriment to the network..." clause?
Does his ISP need to suffer because of his business? Bandwidth cost
their money. Denial of service can cause issues to other customers, and ISP
might be hurt financially via lawsuits from said customers. Will he compensate
ISP for that?
What needs to be the threshold? Does the ISP needs to continue
giving him service if the whole ISP gets down for 4 hours, like happened last
Tuesday to 012?
-- Shimi
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