> Well, Shridhar, it seems you particularly wish to get nasty, fine,
> then, here goes...

totally uncalled for IMHO


> 
> >> There are a lot more things still missing in Linux,
> >> 1. Optimised performance across all machines.
> > All? Where is the list?
> 
> All the machines which Linux "claims" to support.
> (in the desktop class)

Be objective and the "Lot More" will turn out to be "very little". A
lot of users use linux as a desktop today and are very happy with the
performance they get. 


> 
> >> 2. Ease of use without taxing the system too much (KDE is excellent,
> >>    but its the biggest bloat I have ever come across).
> >>From my last three installs on i810/128MB RAM(These three are
> different
> > machines), KDE/MDK8.1 is faster than win98 though not faster than
> 95. And
> > win98
> 
> Thats because you probably never got near a Macintosh in your entire
> life.
> Try comparing it with the "real thing", and then come back and talk
> about it.

from what i have read mac's in the pre-FreeBSD-ripoff period were as
prone as windblows machines to memory leaks.





> Just to give you an eye opener, Macintosh gives stunning performance
> even on a 8Mb machine and beat any other GUI system out there hands
> down on usability.
granted i have never got a chance to see a mac in action. speaking
(speculating) purely from a hardware point of view, i have serious
doubts about the rendering of "stunning graphics" on 8 mb machines in
real time.


> 
> >> 3. Ease of install (I bet any of the distro makers coming anywhere
> >>    near winDOZE as far as ease of install goes, leave aside the
> >>    Macintosh, thats one place where it would take them a lifetime to
> >>    reach)
> >
> > I would say you are treading a dangerous territory. After I start
> installing
> > Mandrake, within 50 minutes I have a ready workstation with office
> and
> > dvelopment tools. Installtion of NT at same level takes more than 2
> hours.
> 
> You are going off at a tangent Shridhar.
> We are talking Desktop Linux, never thought NT figured in the desktop
> variety.
it does if you consider W2K which is easily one of the better products
from the M$ stable. How about replacing win nt with win me ??
Shridhars argument does hold then.



> 
> And, what you don't seem to understand (just like Atul) is that there
> is a difference between you and a general computer user (leave aside a
> newbie).
> I wonder what a newbie would think when he is presented with the
> screen where he is asked to partition his drive, he would just run
> away from it.
duh, give mandrake a raw hdd and it will choose your partitions if you
want it to. still not seen that in windblows, don't know about the
mac.




> 
> > IMO Windows truely bears to it's name of NT aka neandethel
> technology as far
> > as installing software goes..
> 
> Dunno why, but it seems like you had an affair with NT and it ditched
> you.
i wouldn't call it an affair, but yes some of us have used windblows
before seeing the light.





> 
> >> 4. A next generation UI, look at all those Window Managers, they are
> >>    all wannabes of some old UI paradigm.
> > Great. Something like multiple desktops and IO slaves? Multiple
> associations
> > and different associations for editing and viewing documents?
> > But I don't remember seeing any of these on any version of windows?
> I just
> > saw them in KDE..
> 
> You miss the point again, does any Linux desktop system come anywhere
> close to winDOZE as far as usability goes?
> Again, reminding you that the issue at hand is the "desktop", here, a
> user doesn't give a damn about IO slaves, et all, what matters to him
> is usability.
My office pc, runs RH 7.1, and i use enlightenment as a window
manager. And it's da best !! couldn't get better than this.
*everything* is just a mouse click away. took me about half an hour to
figure out how to get that done, but then again i am a newbie, any
body else would find it even easier if only they tried. At home i use
MDK 8.1, and no surprises run enlightenment there to. I tweak my
desktop(s) background, browse, email, chat (on msn), listen to mp3's,
watch TV, movies etc all in linux. I do the occaisional coding (gvim,
gawk, TCL, Verilog all available in linux), word processing
(openoffice) if i still feel like working on the weekend. So how much
more usable can my linux system get ???



> 
> Linux had been trying to give usability since the days of FVWM2 (I
> guess), and that was long before Mr. Steve Jobs and company came along
> (in 2001) and stunned the world with Mac OS X, which incidentally is
> again Unix _based_
> What was the Linux community doing with all the lead time they had?
> 
> > Who's the leader?
> 
> Now based on the above points, "you" tell us who is the leader.
> Just to make your life easy, here are the options:
> () Linux, () winDOZE, () Mac OS, () Mac OS X
whatever works for you i suppose. here on the ilug-goa list we had an
idiot who posted something like 'try win XP and you'll forget about
linux', there is simply no accounting for taste.

my 2 paise worth anyway,
mario

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