-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [LIH] [KYIM-support] Please Read and Answer !!! (fwd)] From: Alexandre Aufrere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, April 5, 2002 7:16 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looks more and more like FUD.... > > |i don't see the Jabber protocol inside MSN, in spite the fact Jabber > is > > open, |and widely used in some countries. > > Not as popular as Yahoo! is globally... if Jabber were the #1 IM client > or even #2 or #3 .. M$FT would have surely done something about it! Well, AIM should be #1 or #2, especially considering that each AOL user has automatically access to it, and i don't see AIM TOC protocol inside MSN. Moreover, in France, we have a special situation, because France Telecom owns partly jabber and the (by far) #1 ISP of the country. So FT's IM, formerly independant, now based on Jabber, has a very very wide audience, especially compared to MSN. Well, French MSN doesn't support Jabber as well. The truth is that the Chat itself has zero value, what has value is all the pages u go for more information, and that are mandatory inside a good Chat Network: Profiles, Mail, Briefcase, Photos, etc. and, for that, there is always adverts that make Yahoo earn money, and, moreover, for some of their services, they are charging. Moreover, they can send periodically advert messages thru the IM network, and charge advertisers for it. we even may add HTML to make it more "rich"... don't u think it even has more impact than ads displayed on the messenger itself that nobody reads ? And anyway, we already get them, that we want it or not. The power of Instant Messaging in advertising is that, to use it plainly, u have to fill ur profile (or repeat ur details every time u chat with someone new, which is annoying, and even it that case, at least the Country is filled, which has value), and, from that, they can target their adverts. Targetted adverts are of very high value everywhere in the world. <MAYBE_UNFAIR_SARCASM> It's very disturbing to see marketing guys from a new, internet company, as yahoo, reasoning like if they were building sewing machines in the 1920's </MAYBE_UNFAIR_SARCASM> > Lets not forget that Instant Messengers are very different from e-mail > clients... so you don't like pine .. you can use KMail which integrates > with your Desktop L&F .. that's because you or your company are paying > for your e-mail/bandwidth (there are hardly any free-email services > left that offer free service for the whole wide world!) .. so the day > all Instant Messengers go paid ... and I read someplace that there was > some effort going on to provide intercommunication amongst different > IMs ... once that happens.. you'll be able to use any IM client of your > choice that > according to you doesn't Suck. well, as for IMs, a part of the bandwidth is either paid by u or ur company, and bandwidth for servers can be paid by such methods i'm describing before, as bandwith is not the most expensive thing on Earth. > While I would love to see the yahoo/icq/$IM protocols being opened > out... > I don't think it makes business sense for a business that is offering > the service free to be able to afford to make that choice. > > Until then it's back to sniffing and reverse engineering for those > running creating the opensource clones. i fear u r right, but i don't think this is smart from the guys at yahoo, they will be eaten because of that. Internet history prove us that it's far more easy to loose a market than to win one. And also that every reasoning based on "at time t, 98% or my users are using software S, so i should develop only for software S and don't care about the other" is doomed. And i wish her really good luck to develop their clients for every vanilla of Linux, BSD and more largely popular UNIX out there. We even have problem sometimes compiling on some of those vanillas, and it can only be fixed because we have access to the source... Alex _______________________________________________ KYIM-support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kyim-support _______________________________________________ linux-india-help mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-india-help
